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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23850880 - 11/20/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: qman]
    #23850940 - 11/20/16 09:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

True true. Even taking care of my dog was hard. I worked at a hotel for a while and we had a big events area that could be bought. Restaurant catered and such. When I saw the bills for the price people would pay for a 2 hour reception. 6 grand+ holy shit you could have went on vacation for a month and that's what you spend 6 grand on?

3 grand wedding dress you'll wear for an hour?!

Hell at least a tux makes sense to buy there are many occasions they apply but men generally just rent them.

I wouldn't marry someone who wasted all that money for something like a wedding. If there first thought is let's travel and share new experiences together for a while until we have to get back to grinding away I'm all for it. Hell I don't even have family really except my parents and siblings.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: qman]
    #23850956 - 11/20/16 09:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865629093/US-marriage-rate-hits-new-low-and-may-continue-to-decline.html?pg=all

I think it's an economic issue, men can barely take care of themselves, never mind a wife and family.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-divorce-rate-lowest-35-years-marriage-bit-article-1.2878130




On the other hand one could argue that it's more feasible in today's society to live with your partner. I mean, rent and room rates are so high, that I could never possibly afford a mortgage unless I were to split it with somebody else. That somebody, in all likelihood, would probably be a long-term partner of some kind. Unless you manage to find a group of young men (or women) who have Peter Pan complex and also never want to grow up.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23850962 - 11/20/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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True true. Even taking care of my dog was hard. I worked at a hotel for a while and we had a big events area that could be bought. Restaurant catered and such. When I saw the bills for the price people would pay for a 2 hour reception. 6 grand+ holy shit you could have went on vacation for a month and that's what you spend 6 grand on?

3 grand wedding dress you'll wear for an hour?!




What's crazy is that 3 grand is considered on the lower end of wedding dress cost, those dresses start at $1K and those are for the cheapest "budget dresses" available. The nicer ones are probably closer to $10K or $20K.

I would rather spend that money on my honeymoon personally. With that money we could buy round-trip business class tickets to pretty much anywhere in the world. It's always been a dream of mine to fly Dubai Emirates business class one day. :awesome:

The most expensive wedding in the world was by a couple in India, they spent $75 million for 500,000 guests.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Crystal G]
    #23850985 - 11/20/16 10:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ya man total nuts. Hell even if I did marry into a rich family that paid for all of it seriously? Fuck instead of 6 hours pay our rent for a year or 2. I bet we'll be great together before we have to start barely getting by again. And stressing over whether we need food more than electricity  :lol:


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Crystal G]
    #23850987 - 11/20/16 10:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865629093/US-marriage-rate-hits-new-low-and-may-continue-to-decline.html?pg=all

I think it's an economic issue, men can barely take care of themselves, never mind a wife and family.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-divorce-rate-lowest-35-years-marriage-bit-article-1.2878130




On the other hand one could argue that it's more feasible in today's society to live with your partner. I mean, rent and room rates are so high, that I could never possibly afford a mortgage unless I were to split it with somebody else. That somebody, in all likelihood, would probably be a long-term partner of some kind. Unless you manage to find a group of young men (or women) who have Peter Pan complex and also never want to grow up.




I think once someone is in their mid 40's and older, it makes economic sense just to stay married today, even if unhappy. 

Today young adults are graduating with 100k in student debt, there's no future of homes, children and marriage with that burden.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: qman]
    #23850998 - 11/20/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I think once someone is in their mid 40's and older, it makes economic sense just to stay married today, even if unhappy. 

Today young adults are graduating with 100k in student debt, there's no future of homes, children and marriage with that burden.




The part about homes is especially true, I only know of maybe one couple my age who even has a mortgage. Everybody else is stuck renting apartments or rooms well into their 30's.


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    #23851011 - 11/20/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ya I generally end up renting rooms than coming home and helping ma kicking it with siblings. Repeat
It just isn't practical to live by yourself. Even making good money 12-15 an hour you could theoretically. Factor in food, cost of travel, I haven't owned a car in years because of insurance and bus systems are good here but inconvenient still adds up, etc etc your broke.

I pretty much have fun once a month. That's it. I can't afford anything else. I wanted to go to tons of shows and stuff moving to Washington. Ha. Good luck with that. No matter how much I move up in pay grade I'm always broke. Thank God I chose not to go to college. I went for a year for basically free in Alaska but it's just money all the time. Money to park. Money for books. Money to do your homework online. Money money money.

but I was going to go to Eastern Washington. When I got the cost per year after financial aid was factored in I'd be 90k in debt. I wish I could have but I could not bring myself to do that.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23851017 - 11/20/16 10:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Ya I generally end up renting rooms than coming home and helping ma kicking it with siblings. Repeat

It just isn't practical to live by yourself. Even making good money 12-15 an hour you could theoretically. Factor in food, cost of travel, I haven't owned a car in years because of insurance and bus systems are good here but inconvenient still adds up, etc etc your broke.

I pretty much have fun once a month. That's it. I can't afford anything else. I wanted to go to tons of shows and stuff moving to Washington. Ha. Good luck with that. No matter how much I move up in pay grade I'm always broke. Thank God I chose not to go to college. I went for a year for basically free in Alaska but it's just money all the time. Money to park. Money for books. Money to do your homework online. Money money money.

but I was going to go to Eastern Washington. When I got the cost per year after financial aid was factored in I'd be 90k in debt. I wish I could have but I could not bring myself to do that.





That's pretty normal for your age though, you're like what 23? I'm talking about people in their late 30's still doing the same thing, renting apartments or subletting because few people can afford to get a mortgage on their own.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: qman]
    #23851025 - 11/20/16 10:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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qman said:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865629093/US-marriage-rate-hits-new-low-and-may-continue-to-decline.html?pg=all

I think it's an economic issue, men can barely take care of themselves, never mind a wife and family.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/u-s-divorce-rate-lowest-35-years-marriage-bit-article-1.2878130




Would you care to explain why birth rates and economic status seem to be inversely proportional?


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Crystal G]
    #23851028 - 11/20/16 10:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

25. 26 in January. We'll I guess that's somewhat reassuring?  :lol:

Kind of went through a quarter life crisis. Feel like I should have accomplished more etc. Apparently it's becoming more and more the standard.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23851068 - 11/20/16 10:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Would you care to explain why birth rates and economic status seem to be inversely proportional?




I have no idea if this is accurate. But I'm going to take a shot in the dark and guess it has something to do with religion. Religious people such as Catholics (Irish, Mexicans, etc.) don't use birth control, they also don't believe in abortion, so they end up popping out their 1st kid by age 15 and then by the time they're 25 they already have 5 or 6 little ones running around.

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25. 26 in January. We'll I guess that's somewhat reassuring?  :lol:

Kind of went through a quarter life crisis. Feel like I should have accomplished more etc. Apparently it's becoming more and more the standard.




It is normal. Unfortunately it's the norm nowadays for a lot of kids to graduate college and end up moving back in with their parents for a few years. So as long as you're living on your own, even if it's with roommates, I'd say you're doing pretty well for your age.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Crystal G]
    #23851089 - 11/20/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

people with higher economic status are more educated. more educated people have fewer children and wait longer to have them.

Futhermore, each child moves the family drastically closer to the poverty line.  so on the one hand poor people have more kids , and on the other hand having more kids makes you poor.

while marriage has many mental emotional physical and financial health benefits , having children has a severe detrimental effect in all these areas.

people who have children are less happy, have less healthy/happy romantic relationships, are much more stressed and depressed , and report less satisfaction and happiness with life , and have lower levels of health and fitness. they are drastically less well off financially and attain much lower levels of success in career and education.

studies have shown that having a child has a greater negative effect on happiness then the death of a spouse.

It turns out parenthood is worse than divorce, unemployment — even the death of a partner

"parenthood is supposed to be joyous. At least that's what the movies and Target ads tell us.

In reality, it turns out that having a child can have a pretty strong negative impact on a person's happiness, according to a new study published in the journal Demography. In fact, on average, the effect of a new baby on a person's life is devastatingly bad — worse than divorce, worse than unemployment and worse even than the death of a partner.

On average, new parenthood led to a 1.4 unit drop in happiness. That's considered very severe."

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/news/to-your-health/wp/2015/08/11/the-most-depressing-statistic-imaginable-about-being-a-new-parent/%3F0p19G%3De


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    #23851123 - 11/20/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't think that's necessarily true. Sure having kids when your young and unprepared is completely illogical. Why I don't have any myself.

I love kids myself I've dealt with many single moms over the years. All incredibly hard working people and selfless. I envy that trait as I explained earlier.

I'm a big kid mostly at heart. My best friend here in Washington is a girl. Her son is 3 now. Kids crack me up. Tustin! My names Justin. Runs up hugs me. You haven't been being a little rascal have ya. Who am I kidding of course you have.

So yes I guess my intelligence is apart of why I've gone out of my to not have kids. But that isn't the real reason I want to provide better than what I grew up with. Stable partner, stable job, stability.

People keep focusing on themselves for so long it becomes normal. As it's never enough. We'll maybe when I get that next pay raise. Maybe if we have a bigger house. I'm sure a lot of parents that are in the shroomery would disagree. Your never ready. It's an entirely different world. Not focused on yourself.


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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Moonshoe]
    #23851130 - 11/20/16 11:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I remember reading that German study, and I totally believe it. I could tell my parents regretted having children. My mother encouraged me not to get married or have children ever since I was young.

There's a group on Facebook that I follow and like to read, it's called "I Regret Having Children." It's a shame because it's so taboo for parents to come out in the open and admit this sort of thing. You can say I regret getting married, I regret going to college, I regret this or that and nobody blinks an eye. But society really looks down on parents who don't say nothing but positive things about the experience of rearing children.

Parents should be more honest about feeling trapped or depressed after having children. It's perfectly natural and okay to feel these feelings, and it doesn't necessarily make you a bad parent.

https://www.facebook.com/IRegretHavingChildren/?fref=ts


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    #23851147 - 11/20/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:lol:

My really good friend that I lived and worked with in Montana the day he went off to college his dad told him.  "you have been nothing but a dissappointment to me."

:rofl:

We joke about it all the time. His dad's a hard ass you gotta work hard. He's like 70 and still working his ass off. And my buddy who's nickname is actually budde is an expert carpenter. I learned a lot from him.

We Laid some sod for a house we were Remodling and his dad patted him on the shoulder. You did good work son.

His brother and I exchanged glances and could barely keep from laughing. We got back to our house. Holy shit dude I think your dad said I love you. Well as close as your going to get. :rofl:

It's been a running joke for years. We'll 7 or so.


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    #23851246 - 11/20/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yes many parents inwardly regret having kids but lie to themselves and others about it.  For every one mother who admits she regrets it there are 100 who feel the same but will never admit it even to themselves.

The less kids you have the more educationally and economically successful you are and the happier you are , and vice versa (statistically).

every aspect of life suffers, and the world is massively overpopulated already so you are basically sacrificing your own life and happiness to hasten the destruction of the global environment.

it's simultaneously extremely selfish and a huge sacrifice. a selfish sacrifice.


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    #23851309 - 11/20/16 12:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

So should we just all stop having kids and let the human race just go extinct? I personally appreciate people who have kids and raise them right, even though I don't see myself having any.


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    #23851324 - 11/20/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

no, we should bring our rates of reproduction drastically down to a level that is ecologically sustainable.  drastically down, but not down to zero. 

right now we are over populating our way to extinction.  You are suggesting zero reproduction to extinction. 

obviously between those two suicidal extremes is the correct third option - a level of reproduction that is sustainable and will allow the global population to rapidly and drastically decrease to sustainable levels while still having enough children for humanity to continue.

something like one child per person, one child per couple or one child per womb would be the needed policy.  another idea would be that before being allowed to have one child of your own you would need to adopt a child first/as well.

anyone who really wants to do something good for the world should adopt and help one of the millions of kids who desperately need a parent. anyone who chooses to have their own child in a dying overpopulated world rather than adopt one of the children who desperately need them is making an immoral, selfish and destructive choice, and in that sense they deserve the massive drop in happiness they bring on themselves by doing so.


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    #23851342 - 11/20/16 12:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:nodofunderstanding:  Agreed.  It really irks me when people say things like "well I want to continue my own bloodline" in justifying having babies.  We're all family and somebody who can't comprehend that probably doesn't have the empathy to be a loving parent.  I do take solace in the fact that they usually end up with what they deserve, a miserable whining shit machine chock full of stupidity and flaws, insisting on being rebellious and resentful of their parents.


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