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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Enjoywho]
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Enjoywho said: I don't think it has too many people already. We can theorize about all of this all day. But do we really know what's best. Not really that's why we are still arguing about it.
In a 1000 years we'll still be arguing about similar topics.
There's applied theory. There's always that. Under the framework that were not here to just ride the rides and reproduce like jack rabbits, i'm not sure sure about what lies 1000 years out....
In a casual world, there is cause/effect. Setting upon something results in something. Once you learn more about the world and universe, things aren't so theoretical.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: phio]
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Men that get married today are suckers, I wouldn't touch that institution with a ten foot pole.
I have seen a lot of idealistic men learn very hard lessons, they never had a chance.
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Finally I find some common ground with qman. Thought I would never see the day. Lets make out.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: qman]
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You have to marry the right person for the right reasons. The government shouldn't be involved but that's neither here nor there.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: phio]
#23852245 - 11/20/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a fair argument, thank you for explaining. You don't have to be so patronizing about it though. I understand though, you're much more of a left brained person than I am (so it seems.)
To elaborate on my own opinion, I find hormonal birth control for women to be entirely over prescribed and doctors allow women to suffer the side effects if the woman elects to. It's been more recently discovered to lower bone density when women are already prone to develop osteoporosis in their lifetime. Not only is it over prescribed but the majority of women that get on it don't even entirely understand the risks and side effects. It goes alot farther than just "might gain wait and acne" ...but then this is delving into healthcare rather than medical science so that's a whole nother topic.
I really just want science to work harder at finding better alternatives rather than altering the human body. In Rome there was a plant that made people temporarily infertile (at least it is believed to, it was so successful as a birth control method that the plant was over consumed into extinction.) Might be a little biased since BC gave me unbearable side effects but I feel like we came to the pill and depo shots and then said "problem solved " for the most part. And that annoys me.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23852251 - 11/20/16 05:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: Yeah there are no women I have met that I would let my guard down around. I have been told by men I highly respect never get married. They don't say it like a joke either, and I don't take it lightly. The young ones all tell me "oh no don't listen to them it is good for you" but I am nobody's fool.
It really depends. I had this girly we did kiss she had 2 kids. He's worthless the stay at home dad and his mom living off her. She was working harder hours than me. We actually got fired because we lived right next to each other and walked to work together.
It was a new Dennys that opened in town. He sat us both down and in insulted her as she had a gap in her front teeth. I was in shock I really wish I would have recorded it. All the girls and no males that lasted were the ones I listed in hot want to fuck. Family fine friends are never bad to have.
I couldn't believe it. I honestly couldn't say anything as I've never met someone that was that much of a perv. Firing me would be fine but her because we're friends. Disgusting.
My mom worked there 30 years of ex perience. She lasted 2 weeks all the hot girls kept the jobs that are inept. But I would have fucked them. 
Well I'd pay them. Those managers know nothing about running a restaurant. We'll quite a few after they got in touch me ya you're right it's disgusting.
I mean at restaurants one I worked at for 4 years I always hit on the cute hostesses. I was a young kid though they made a rule no talking at the hostess stand for bussers. Bah as a Pervy 40 year old dude hits on them.
Anyway I got 5 seconds to pretend to get something. Whatsup tonight where's the party at. I actually think that weird older Pervy shit got me laid more. I can't be worse than that.
Extreme sides of both sides of the coin. Can't lie I loved the Pervy old dudes that hired the hostesses I became friends with a lot of them. They have good taste.
One was a veterinarian to be. My dog died of cancer. :cry: and she's been apart of my life for 6 years as she was my vet friend. My little puppy shat worms all squiggling and fully alivemy out worms.
So tall and man she shat every girl under the table that Halloween. And they were all dime pieces come to think of it thank you bosses.
That's besides the point I'm getting distracted . What do I do. So I texted her. She just said no worries he has worms which isn't incommon. Think was squirming fully alive Bah! She was a savior I think she's a full vet now or damn near close.
She sent me a message after my dog died of cancer. I'm glad to have known loki and provided you with vet thoughts. He was my first patient. I'm sorry for your loss. You can always ask me about such things.
I don't really think any of this thread had to do with vets or dogs but it may have. Nah pretty girls. I totally forgot what this this thread was about reminiscing.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Enjoywho] 1
#23852264 - 11/20/16 05:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I would take your mom any day over those hot girls. I never can really find the right words to tell ugly girls how much they mean to me, but I'm still not going to marry them.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: phio]
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phio said: I like how you selectively ignore what you don't want to hear ... "such as occurs in women, whether on a hormonal contraceptive or not,""
Women are already predisposed to such cyclical swings regardless of whether or not they are on contraceptives. Please read. I don't have anything I need to look up as I clearly understand the biological and behavioral differences between males and females. You seem to be in denial about proven science.
Sorry but your explanation that all differences in logic, thought, and emotion all stems back to hormones is too overly simplistic. You're essentially saying that people don't have individual personalities, or that we aren't products of our environment, that it all comes down to hormone level and that's it.
I will agree hormones can affect energy levels, mood, etc. Like I said, I've been on testosterone before, I've also been on estrogen & progesterone and spironolactone (an androgen suppressor) at other points of my life. It did affect my energy levels a lot, I was sleepy all the time on the androgen suppressors, that one affected me the worst. But my thinking or behavior otherwise didn't change. Personality overrides hormone fluctuations.
Not only that, but a lot of these hormone levels are established while the baby is in the womb. And each pregnancy can change drastically. Hence why you have scientists speculating that transgender or homosexual boys may have been exposed to higher amounts of estrogen during the pregnancy.
Theoretically, pregnant women who are carrying boys should have higher sex drives and bad acne, due to the fact that they're producing higheamounts of testosterone. But if you actually read the experiences of pregnant women, you'll find that a lot of them experience the opposite effect while carrying boys. So, people not only react differently to hormones, the levels of hormones we are exposed to prenatally fluctuates and differs a lot from individual to individual.
Biologically there are 2 (maybe 3 if you count intersex?) sexes. But instead of thinking about gender in binaries, I like to think outside the box and think about it as a range or scale. Just like how there are varying degrees of homosexuality and heterosexuality, there are varying degrees of femininity and masculinity, with some people being very butch or androgynous or effeminate or whatever.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: moonrockmushy]
#23852721 - 11/20/16 09:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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moonrockmushy said: I would take your mom any day over those hot girls. I never can really find the right words to tell ugly girls how much they mean to me, but I'm still not going to marry them.
Trust me I want her to find a man. She's getting some solid dick she stops being a dick. The first guy was a guy she spent with the night before. Walked into there work and murdered their boss. Shot her 6 times. That fucked ma up real quick.
The most recent one there aren't really many requirements. If they can hold a decent conversation and shake my hand like a man. I don't care.
He shook my hand made my Ma happy. Than married a 20 year old that cheated on him with everybody and took all his money. Heartbroken. MA has had a bad string of luck. Judging from your posts I'd either kick you in the nuts or most likely that.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23852746 - 11/20/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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CookieCrumbs said: That's a fair argument, thank you for explaining. You don't have to be so patronizing about it though. I understand though, you're much more of a left brained person than I am (so it seems.)
I'm only delivering information per observation and observed tones. As for my brain hemisphere dominance, I allow whichever hemisphere to dominate that is most effective at resolving a particular issue. We were speaking about science. Left brain can parse that better.
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CookieCrumbs said: To elaborate on my own opinion, I find hormonal birth control for women to be entirely over prescribed and doctors allow women to suffer the side effects if the woman elects to. It's been more recently discovered to lower bone density when women are already prone to develop osteoporosis in their lifetime. Not only is it over prescribed but the majority of women that get on it don't even entirely understand the risks and side effects. It goes alot farther than just "might gain wait and acne" ...but then this is delving into healthcare rather than medical science so that's a whole nother topic.
It isn't a whole other topic. You're communicating information that would more commonly be known by women. Thank you for sharing that with me. I'm not a fan of it getting pushed onto women and have supported people I have dated in the past who have indicated that it has caused them serious problems. When you're with someone whose loving and understanding, they wouldn't want such harm to come to you over a precautionary measure that they can resolve by using condoms and spermicide perhaps. You sit down with your partner and have a conversation with them about these kinds of things and you work it out. I was only trying to point out that birth control is based on a derivative of female hormones. If heightening it in women causes serious issues, it most surely will wreak havoc on men whose body's are even moreso sensitive to it which is why the study was shut down.
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CookieCrumbs said: I really just want science to work harder at finding better alternatives rather than altering the human body. In Rome there was a plant that made people temporarily infertile (at least it is believed to, it was so successful as a birth control method that the plant was over consumed into extinction.) Might be a little biased since BC gave me unbearable side effects but I feel like we came to the pill and depo shots and then said "problem solved " for the most part. And that annoys me.
I'm 100% with you on that. Most medicine is pseudo-science and correlation. Not enough time or money is spent on understanding the body purely for understanding. Medicine is a huge and profitable business. Much of it isn't really meant to solve a problem. It's meant to blanket over it and in doing so it floods and impacts other parts of the body beyond the target in detrimental ways. I personally avoid it at all costs if I can and I most definitely would support a partner in maintaining such a view.
You have a right to be upset. It's your body after-all. Imbalances aren't good for anyone even if its a native hormone. Yep, drug companies are lazy. Most medicines are just synthesized versions of naturally occurring substances many times missing important components that keep it balanced. Then comes the pricing of it all for something that costs a couple dollars to make.
It's a cluster fuck. I agree and glad we could see eye to eye on something.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Crystal G]
#23852776 - 11/20/16 09:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Sorry but your explanation that all differences in logic, thought, and emotion all stems back to hormones is too overly simplistic. You're essentially saying that people don't have individual personalities, or that we aren't products of our environment, that it all comes down to hormone level and that's it.
I'm not saying that. There's nature and nurture. I talked about nature. Nature predisposes you. Through personal choice, environmental variables, social norms, culture, etc there is a near infinite degree of freedom from there. However, that doesn't change nature. Close your eyes and picture a three with a trunk and roots, branches and leaves...
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Crystal G said: I will agree hormones can affect energy levels, mood, etc. Like I said, I've been on testosterone before, I've also been on estrogen & progesterone and spironolactone (an androgen suppressor) at other points of my life. It did affect my energy levels a lot, I was sleepy all the time on the androgen suppressors, that one affected me the worst. But my thinking or behavior otherwise didn't change. Personality overrides hormone fluctuations.
You don't have a male's body nor gene expressions nor do you have the same kind of receptor cites or hormones. It's a system. Not all systems have the same level of backward compatibility. Women's body's are able to nurture both female/male life. Male's body's cannot. You have completely different equipment and a level of versatility that male's don't have. Your body's can take a whole range of different conditions that male's body's can't which is related to the cycles you go through. Men's body's don't go through such periodic cycles. In all honesty, a full study on this topic would significantly change your view. I can't really sit here and give you a full lesson on biology and neuroscience up to the PHD level. Suffice to say, there are a huge and vast number of differences between males and females in just about every cell in your body. You don't turn blind eyes to such clear differences. They exists for reasons and have real-world consequences.
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Crystal G said: Not only that, but a lot of these hormone levels are established while the baby is in the womb. And each pregnancy can change drastically. Hence why you have scientists speculating that transgender or homosexual boys may have been exposed to higher amounts of estrogen during the pregnancy.
Sure, there are all sorts of factors. Stress levels of a mother while a child is in the womb can, for instance, impact gene expression in the baby. And yet, there is the male gender and the female gender and there are a vast number of differences between the two. You see... you can't escape that (nature).
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Crystal G said: Theoretically, pregnant women who are carrying boys should have higher sex drives and bad acne, due to the fact that they're producing higheamounts of testosterone. But if you actually read the experiences of pregnant women, you'll find that a lot of them experience the opposite effect while carrying boys. So, people not only react differently to hormones, the levels of hormones we are exposed to prenatally fluctuates and differs a lot from individual to individual.
Sure, there are tons and tons of studies and reports on the matter. Suffice to say, males can't carry children and there are genetic markers and expressions that determine that. Males and females aren't the same. We are different and equal and that's fine. Not everyone has the same chemical balance or gene expressions. Not all males have the same testosterone levels. Not all females have the same estrogen levels. Essentially, I'm not trying to, in my discussion put anyone in a box. I'm just pointing out that there are an endless number of differences between males and females and there are many studies that reflect how these difference have direct influences on even neurological function. So, there is no point in arguing that males and females don't have fundamental different dispositions set by nature.
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Crystal G said: Biologically there are 2 (maybe 3 if you count intersex?) sexes. But instead of thinking about gender in binaries, I like to think outside the box and think about it as a range or scale. Just like how there are varying degrees of homosexuality and heterosexuality, there are varying degrees of femininity and masculinity, with some people being very butch or androgynous or effeminate or whatever.
In the Human species, there are only 2 sexes : male/female and only one type of sexuality that produces offspring. The union of male/female. Now, that's the biology, science, and nature.
As for behavior or sociology, it's up to an individual to fine tune their own dial. I'm quite alright with acknowledge the freedoms an individual should have in that way. However, I am not ok with populist confusion when it comes to the biology, sciences, and nature. That's when you get a bunch of confused impressionable kids. That is wholesale chaos.
So, fine tune however you want and society should be accepting of such diversities. Promoting chaos, confusion, and foolishness especially among innocent and already confused kids I am not for and that's what we got more. It is the reason why we have such a clown ass situation currently in America with all of the precious snowflakes who can't reason and understand basic things and people who have no foundational basis for who they are from one day to another.
Related to the topic of the OP, third wave feminism is another foolish spinoff of the sociological chaos that was spawned over recent years. Women aren't men and never will be and that's ok. Women are beautiful, amazing, and powerful in their own skin and they play a vital role w.r.t to harmony in this world. By abandoning that, utters chaos is created. We have enough males an male related problems in the world. We don't need even more yang, fighting, and warring... But look what we got.
So, it's no wonder why some people opt'd out in their own way. I personally had to learn no matter how much effort I put in that I can't participate in relationships with people who have their brains twisted up in movements like this. It's too distracting for me as a man as I have my own battles to wage in life. I can't be busying myself battling my partner and explaining myself every step of the way. Nor do I want to.
I needed instead a woman who is comfortable in her own skin and proud to be a woman so that I can journey through life with her as a man.
That's what all of this is about. How people got twisted up into some other narrative .. Well, it's just not my personal business anymore. I've wasted enough of my life trying to reach people who can't be reached.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: phio]
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MGTOW is full of a bunch of testosterone-less beta males that failed at attracting woman so they'd rather watch porn and play video games instead.
Although I do believe men get totally fucked when it comes to marriage.
I still plan on getting married and would much prefer a traditional marriage with a wife who is a stay at home mom. Men are pretty equally to blame when it comes to divorce rates. I am a firm believer that a if a chick leaves you, you obviously had a huge part in it. To say otherwise seems absurd to me. Woman don't just up and leave for no reason.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: volcomstoner]
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volcomstoner said: MGTOW is full of a bunch of testosterone-less beta males that failed at attracting woman so they'd rather watch porn and play video games instead.
Although I do believe men get totally fucked when it comes to marriage.
I still plan on getting married and would much prefer a traditional marriage with a wife who is a stay at home mom. Men are pretty equally to blame when it comes to divorce rates. I am a firm believer that a if a chick leaves you, you obviously had a huge part in it. To say otherwise seems absurd to me. Woman don't just up and leave for no reason.
On topics like this, I try to stay away from anecdotes and center instead on wide ranging analysis, experience, and information.
At the end of the day, a general driver for a lot of men is to seek and sustain a beautiful household with a woman. You suggest they're beta males who can't get women but then we have women here attesting to there being a modern attraction to such guys.. Someone isn't telling the truth as you can see.
Women and men are equal halves of the same whole. So we indeed play equal parts. However, yang like waring is not fitting of women. This occurred moreso in recent years. I wouldn't call men opting out of such a foolish fight as being 'beta'. The preoccupation with such foolishness can serve to undermine the very essence of what it is to be a more fully defined man with purpose (beyond silly ass concepts like alpha/beta)..
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: phio]
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phio said: You don't have a male's body nor gene expressions nor do you have the same kind of receptor cites or hormones. It's a system. Not all systems have the same level of backward compatibility. Women's body's are able to nurture both female/male life. Male's body's cannot. You have completely different equipment and a level of versatility that male's don't have. Your body's can take a whole range of different conditions that male's body's can't which is related to the cycles you go through. Men's body's don't go through such periodic cycles. In all honesty, a full study on this topic would significantly change your view. I can't really sit here and give you a full lesson on biology and neuroscience up to the PHD level. Suffice to say, there are a huge and vast number of differences between males and females in just about every cell in your body. You don't turn blind eyes to such clear differences. They exists for reasons and have real-world consequences.
That's all stuff that I agree with, I mean it is undeniable that men and women physiologically have different bodies and anatomical structures. I never claimed men and women have no biological differences.
I'm not the kind of person that believes that men and women should compete against each other in boxing or in sports, because clearly men have a distinct advantage when it comes to certain physical activities, especially high-intensity activities involving brute strength of the upper body. Women have an advantage in a different kind of physical activity, such as gymnastics or anything requiring flexibility.
The part that I disagreed with was how intensely or drastically these differences impact one's psyche. It is most definitely a factor, but it is only one factor out of hundreds of others. And frankly, after my personal experience experimenting with hormones, I don't think hormones play that strong of a factor in psychological changes.
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Crystal G said: In the Human species, there are only 2 sexes : male/female and only one type of sexuality that produces offspring. The union of male/female. Now, that's the biology, science, and nature.
Isn't intersex biologically considered another sex? Because I went to school with somebody that was born a hermaphrodite, with an XXY chromosome and both genitals.
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Anyone else notice their logo looks like a dude with an ass for a face?

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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: phio]
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volcomstoner said: MGTOW is full of a bunch of testosterone-less beta males that failed at attracting woman so they'd rather watch porn and play video games instead.
Although I do believe men get totally fucked when it comes to marriage.
I still plan on getting married and would much prefer a traditional marriage with a wife who is a stay at home mom. Men are pretty equally to blame when it comes to divorce rates. I am a firm believer that a if a chick leaves you, you obviously had a huge part in it. To say otherwise seems absurd to me. Woman don't just up and leave for no reason.
On topics like this, I try to stay away from anecdotes and center instead on wide ranging analysis, experience, and information.
At the end of the day, a general driver for a lot of men is to seek and sustain a beautiful household with a woman. You suggest they're beta males who can't get women but then we have women here attesting to there being a modern attraction to such guys.. Someone isn't telling the truth as you can see.
Women and men are equal halves of the same whole. So we indeed play equal parts. However, yang like waring is not fitting of women. This occurred moreso in recent years. I wouldn't call men opting out of such a foolish fight as being 'beta'. The preoccupation with such foolishness can serve to undermine the very essence of what it is to be a more fully defined man with purpose (beyond silly ass concepts like alpha/beta)..
YI definitely understand your point on this. My personal anecdotal experience is all I have when it comes to this topic and I may very well be wrong about the generalization I make and I'm not opposed to keeping an open mind about it. I definitely sympathize for those who find it viable to "opt-out" and I believe it's important to understand the reasoning behind this. They really shouldn't be written off because it's a serious issue that needs addressing. I use the "alpha/beta" concept for convenience more than anything.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Crystal G]
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Yeah, i think were of the same understanding. I just needed to strongly highlight the incredible physical differences and why they're important because it is so common for it to be a jumbled mess now-a-days not so much due to biological traits but social practices.
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Crystal G said: Isn't intersex biologically considered another sex? Because I went to school with somebody that was born a hermaphrodite, with an XXY chromosome and both genitals.
Ah'... http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/basics/karyotype/
A karyotype is an organized profile of a person's chromosomes. Two chromosomes specify gender XX for female and XY for male. The rest are arranged in pairs, numbered 1 through 22, from largest to smallest. This arrangement helps scientists quickly identify chromosomal alterations that may result in a genetic disorder.
Intersex involves muddling of a karotype in which someone has a mosaic of female/male pairings in different organs (sexual, brain, etc). Some cells/organs/tissue can carry a male karotype while others can carry a female karotype. There are also : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimera_(genetics) .
Hermaphodites relate to Karyotype mosaics .. In about 90% of cases, patients have 46 XX karyotype. Rarely, 46 XY/46 XX mosaicism may occur. There have been reports of 46 XY karyotypes
Intersex is the new term for hermaphoditsm now that we understand more about it : https://medlineplus.gov/ency/article/001669.htm
I drew very definitive lines so as to not allow things to get muddled. The purely biological field of intersex even has trouble with people who fall into these grey areas as you still see the language of 'male/female cell' or 'male/female' organ used.
Understanding the biological and scientific basis for variance beyond strictly male/female archetypes definitely tempers ones attitude on the topic w.r.t to observations about social norms. However, it is still necessary to understand the rarity of these biological cases. That being said, there is a whole spectrum of hormonal balances as well and these balances influence and predispose behavior.
Nature : Huge spectrum Nurture/Environment/Personal choice : Huge spectrum
Further, it is always important to note when you have an observable sliding scale what it is sliding too and from : (more normalized and strictly male/female extremes). By doing so you can appreciate the norms/extremes of male/female and everything in between.
W.r.t to sex though.. you either impregnate or get impregnated for sexual reproduction.
Thanks for sharing this with me Crystal G. Your provided view points that definitely helped temper this discussion.
Edited by phio (11/21/16 12:16 AM)
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: volcomstoner]
#23853035 - 11/21/16 12:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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volcomstoner said: MGTOW is full of a bunch of testosterone-less beta males that failed at attracting woman so they'd rather watch porn and play video games instead.
Although I do believe men get totally fucked when it comes to marriage.
I still plan on getting married and would much prefer a traditional marriage with a wife who is a stay at home mom. Men are pretty equally to blame when it comes to divorce rates. I am a firm believer that a if a chick leaves you, you obviously had a huge part in it. To say otherwise seems absurd to me. Woman don't just up and leave for no reason.
On topics like this, I try to stay away from anecdotes and center instead on wide ranging analysis, experience, and information.
At the end of the day, a general driver for a lot of men is to seek and sustain a beautiful household with a woman. You suggest they're beta males who can't get women but then we have women here attesting to there being a modern attraction to such guys.. Someone isn't telling the truth as you can see.
Women and men are equal halves of the same whole. So we indeed play equal parts. However, yang like waring is not fitting of women. This occurred moreso in recent years. I wouldn't call men opting out of such a foolish fight as being 'beta'. The preoccupation with such foolishness can serve to undermine the very essence of what it is to be a more fully defined man with purpose (beyond silly ass concepts like alpha/beta)..
YI definitely understand your point on this. My personal anecdotal experience is all I have when it comes to this topic and I may very well be wrong about the generalization I make and I'm not opposed to keeping an open mind about it. I definitely sympathize for those who find it viable to "opt-out" and I believe it's important to understand the reasoning behind this. They really shouldn't be written off because it's a serious issue that needs addressing. I use the "alpha/beta" concept for convenience more than anything.
Fair enough and true enough.. We are all better off working together not against each other or running off our own way. Many great viewpoints were provided from all sorts of perspectives on this thread. I was only attempting the illuminate what got this movement going. Lots of divisive movements gained steam in recent times. I hope, for humanity's sake, that they are coming to a close.
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: Repertoire89]
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Repertoire89 said: Anyone else notice their logo looks like a dude with an ass for a face?

Pretty revealing
You may note the arrow coming out of the butthole, a long shaft with a broad tip
This logo has its genitals where a face should be
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Re: Why Men Are Done With Marriage MGTOW Compilation [Re: phio]
#23853047 - 11/21/16 12:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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phio said: W.r.t to sex though.. you either impregnate or get impregnated for sexual reproduction.
Thanks for sharing this with me Crystal G. Your provided view points definitely helped temper this discussion.
No worries.
As far as I understand it though, people with the XXY chromosome are born infertile and can neither impregnate nor get pregnant. Kind of like when a donkey mates with a horse, the offspring is usually sterile.
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Understanding the biological and scientific basis for variance beyond strictly male/female archetypes definitely tempers ones attitude on the topic w.r.t to observations about social norms. However, it is still necessary to understand the rarity of these biological cases. That being said, there is a whole spectrum of hormonal balances as well and these balances influence and predispose behavior.
What do you think of the theory proposed and popularized in the 1980's that asserted that the reason the overwhelming majority of violent crime is committed by males is largely because of testosterone? Because this is a theory that usually offends MRA's and MGTOW's, they say that it is condescending to men to even imply such a thing. They claim this is a very anti-male, pro-feminist theory.
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