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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: shadyy]
    #23844342 - 11/18/16 07:06 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Yeah I have a hard time believing any of that.  Card counting with 8 decks in the shoe is not that worth it.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Patlal]
    #23844500 - 11/18/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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So what's your profit per hour for a 5 day work week. But your only doing 3 hours a day. When I was grinding online poker it was generally 5-8 hours. Same as a full time ish job.




Right now I'm winning less than minimum salary. I made 106$ in maybe 14 hours of playing. I'm really taking my time here. I got to readjust to casino poker.

Here's what I have to deal with:

- Good players that exploit that low stakes tables
- Amateur players that will call stupid hands because they are amateurs
- Gamblers that walked in a casino with a crazy idea that they were gonna gamble
- Everything else in the middle

I have to:

- Spot the regulars
- Get used to the betting pattern
- Get rid of the jitters
- Become a good player exploiting the low stakes table




I feel ya. I play every couple weeks at the local bar. They all know me by name and I come out with a lot of there money. I do not play against the few other sharks even with good cards. That's when I lose myself some chips.

I'd have to limp in and hit the nuts before I'd be willing to play against them. But other than that it's free pickings. Plus they have 10 people tourneys which are fun. Last one was like 20$ got first so walked out with 150$

I feel ya if you plan to be there a lot watching is always key first. Find out who your sharks and fish are.




Right now I play like, and consider myself as a goldfish in a shark tank. I can only feed on the crumbs and swim away from the sharks.




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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Patlal]
    #23845372 - 11/18/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I have a hard time believing any of that.  Card counting with 8 decks in the shoe is not that worth it.




Yeah well you clearly didn't go to MIT.

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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: moonrockmushy]
    #23845848 - 11/18/16 04:42 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Yeah I have a hard time believing any of that.  Card counting with 8 decks in the shoe is not that worth it.




Yeah well you clearly didn't go to MIT.




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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Patlal]
    #23846079 - 11/18/16 05:46 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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nice.

do u have any wild predictions of your monthly profits? yearly profits? :strokebeard:

Also do u go to a casino or a private poker club to play?




No clue. As of right now I'm barely making minimum salary with poker. I just started. I'm not taking too many chances or playing too aggressively..



We play once a week 100 buy in, 2 re-buys, 10% house cut.  Usually 8 top, sometimes as low as 5.  With 5 (4 others) I may just take the rake.  8 top is always worth playing.  Get a bovada account and start stacking up hands played.  When irl keep a record of hands played, hands lost and how much so you know if you are actually stacking or not.  The dopamine can trick you a lot of the time, though if im lookin for the rush I just play dice...


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: TheMovement]
    #23846154 - 11/18/16 06:08 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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nice.

do u have any wild predictions of your monthly profits? yearly profits? :strokebeard:

Also do u go to a casino or a private poker club to play?




No clue. As of right now I'm barely making minimum salary with poker. I just started. I'm not taking too many chances or playing too aggressively..



We play once a week 100 buy in, 2 re-buys, 10% house cut.  Usually 8 top, sometimes as low as 5.  With 5 (4 others) I may just take the rake.  8 top is always worth playing.  Get a bovada account and start stacking up hands played.  When irl keep a record of hands played, hands lost and how much so you know if you are actually stacking or not.  The dopamine can trick you a lot of the time, though if im lookin for the rush I just play dice...




My rule is to never rebuy no matter what. This is how you sink yourself in debt. You have to double up to get even or triple up to get even... You can never position yourself into "getting even" situations... It's the equivalent of doing more drugs to get the same high. Plus it opens the door to the idea that since you did 1 re-buy you might as well do another on while you're at it...

Discipline... You really need it. I was playing with maniacs today and got away from there with 39$ in profit after 3 hours.... Everybody else was winning 200$ a hand and losing 200$ the next hand in which case only the house wins. I saw at least 5 of the 9 guys around the table rebuy at 200 ish a piece. The table was full of chips, but it was just moving around from player to player without any of them leaving the table while they had a profit. I was folding KQ suited at some point of the game because the players were so volatile I couldn't take the risk to play anything unless it was one of those hands where these guys decided to go to the flop at the price of the blinds. But I came back home with 39$ I didn't have when I left, and that's what counts.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Patlal]
    #23846192 - 11/18/16 06:16 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

39 profit for 3 hours is 13 an hour nothing to write home about.  You gotta be the shark to make it worth it.  The stress alone takes away from your life force homie.  Volatile, inconsistent, or fishy players make the game not worth it.  Until you take their stack.  Against fish, complacency is key but if they play every hand, it takes the skill outta it and it turns to gambling.  Not cool.  Switch tables at that point.  That's why I run house.., puts odds in my favor for making money. People like to gamble, most do at least.  Personally, I only play with favorable odds, but fish may play unfavorably, upsetting the balance, and end up getting lucky.  Consider starting house games, increases your odds tremendously if you can find the crew.  Might make some enemies, but you didn't force them to play..


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: TheMovement]
    #23846206 - 11/18/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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39 profit for 3 hours is 13 an hour nothing to write home about.  You gotta be the shark to make it worth it.  The stress alone takes away from your life force homie.  Volatile, inconsistent, or fishy players make the game not worth it.  Until you take their stack.  Against fish, complacency is key but if they play every hand, it takes the skill outta it and it turns to gambling.  Not cool.  Switch tables at that point.  That's why I run house.., puts odds in my favor for making money. People like to gamble, most do at least.  Personally, I only play with favorable odds, but fish may play unfavorably, upsetting the balance, and end up getting lucky.  Consider starting house games, increases your odds tremendously if you can find the crew.  Might make some enemies, but you didn't force them to play..




In order to take a stack, you first need to make it heads up against them. There was no heads up in this game. It was pure gambling. I stayed out of it and waited for the hands that were cheap where the volatile players had somehow folded.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Patlal]
    #23846505 - 11/18/16 08:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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39 profit for 3 hours is 13 an hour nothing to write home about.  You gotta be the shark to make it worth it.  The stress alone takes away from your life force homie.  Volatile, inconsistent, or fishy players make the game not worth it.  Until you take their stack.  Against fish, complacency is key but if they play every hand, it takes the skill outta it and it turns to gambling.  Not cool.  Switch tables at that point.  That's why I run house.., puts odds in my favor for making money. People like to gamble, most do at least.  Personally, I only play with favorable odds, but fish may play unfavorably, upsetting the balance, and end up getting lucky.  Consider starting house games, increases your odds tremendously if you can find the crew.  Might make some enemies, but you didn't force them to play..




In order to take a stack, you first need to make it heads up against them. There was no heads up in this game. It was pure gambling. I stayed out of it and waited for the hands that were cheap where the volatile players had somehow folded.


I disagree with the heads up scenario, but we all play differently.., thats the variable I suppose. You can stack up quite easily just taking blinds if you're the big player at the table.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23847125 - 11/18/16 10:55 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Discipline... You really need it. I was playing with maniacs today and got away from there with 39$ in profit after 3 hours.... Everybody else was winning 200$ a hand and losing 200$ the next hand in which case only the house wins. I saw at least 5 of the 9 guys around the table rebuy at 200 ish a piece. The table was full of chips, but it was just moving around from player to player without any of them leaving the table while they had a profit. I was folding KQ suited at some point of the game because the players were so volatile I couldn't take the risk to play anything unless it was one of those hands where these guys decided to go to the flop at the price of the blinds. But I came back home with 39$ I didn't have when I left, and that's what counts.




what are you playing? 3-6? 4-8? some small NL buy in like 100?

If its one of the smaller limit games, don't be afraid to call a raise pre-flop if there is wild action on the table.  If you don't get a piece of the flop, then you're done, oh well.  If you do hit the flop, you're gonna get paid off.  When you do, stack your chips and walk.  The inverse is true if there is little action on the table. In this case, you have to make some pot building raises pre-flop so you can entice some action. They won't surrender their blinds forever. Make sure you get paid off on your winners.  you don't want heads-up, you want 3-1.

If you are playing small buy-in No Limit, then you are truly gambling.  These players are too wild.  Most of them are there to lose a couple hundred, and they play with that mentality.  Sounds good right? Not when you're playing with a small bankroll it isn't!  On the other hand, if your bankroll is sufficient, just play correctly, and you'll skim the fuck out of em over the long haul.  Still, for small money, you're better off in a limit game.  Sometimes you can milk the bigger NL tables if you have the balls to build a small pot pre-flop and then bet the pot on the flop(don't do this on pure bluff obviously).  On bigger tables, guys surrender $30 pre-flop bets the way a guy like me might surrender $8. Which means that you can "steal" just 1 or 2 small pots and walk with $300-$400 easy.  Of course, you might get called, and lose, and that would suck if you were betting money you couldn't afford to lose.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23847178 - 11/18/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm definitely monitoring this thread. I always thought it would be really cool to play in a wsop tourney.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: TheMovement]
    #23847182 - 11/18/16 11:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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39 profit for 3 hours is 13 an hour nothing to write home about.  You gotta be the shark to make it worth it.  The stress alone takes away from your life force homie.  Volatile, inconsistent, or fishy players make the game not worth it.  Until you take their stack.  Against fish, complacency is key but if they play every hand, it takes the skill outta it and it turns to gambling.  Not cool.  Switch tables at that point.  That's why I run house.., puts odds in my favor for making money. People like to gamble, most do at least.  Personally, I only play with favorable odds, but fish may play unfavorably, upsetting the balance, and end up getting lucky.  Consider starting house games, increases your odds tremendously if you can find the crew.  Might make some enemies, but you didn't force them to play..




In order to take a stack, you first need to make it heads up against them. There was no heads up in this game. It was pure gambling. I stayed out of it and waited for the hands that were cheap where the volatile players had somehow folded.


I disagree with the heads up scenario, but we all play differently.., thats the variable I suppose. You can stack up quite easily just taking blinds if you're the big player at the table.




I never would have pegged you as a poker player. :strokebeard:


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23847202 - 11/18/16 11:27 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Discipline... You really need it. I was playing with maniacs today and got away from there with 39$ in profit after 3 hours.... Everybody else was winning 200$ a hand and losing 200$ the next hand in which case only the house wins. I saw at least 5 of the 9 guys around the table rebuy at 200 ish a piece. The table was full of chips, but it was just moving around from player to player without any of them leaving the table while they had a profit. I was folding KQ suited at some point of the game because the players were so volatile I couldn't take the risk to play anything unless it was one of those hands where these guys decided to go to the flop at the price of the blinds. But I came back home with 39$ I didn't have when I left, and that's what counts.




what are you playing? 3-6? 4-8? some small NL buy in like 100?

If its one of the smaller limit games, don't be afraid to call a raise pre-flop if there is wild action on the table.  If you don't get a piece of the flop, then you're done, oh well.  If you do hit the flop, you're gonna get paid off.  When you do, stack your chips and walk.  The inverse is true if there is little action on the table. In this case, you have to make some pot building raises pre-flop so you can entice some action. They won't surrender their blinds forever. Make sure you get paid off on your winners.  you don't want heads-up, you want 3-1.

If you are playing small buy-in No Limit, then you are truly gambling.  These players are too wild.  Most of them are there to lose a couple hundred, and they play with that mentality.  Sounds good right? Not when you're playing with a small bankroll it isn't!  On the other hand, if your bankroll is sufficient, just play correctly, and you'll skim the fuck out of em over the long haul.  Still, for small money, you're better off in a limit game.  Sometimes you can milk the bigger NL tables if you have the balls to build a small pot pre-flop and then bet the pot on the flop(don't do this on pure bluff obviously).  On bigger tables, guys surrender $30 pre-flop bets the way a guy like me might surrender $8. Which means that you can "steal" just 1 or 2 small pots and walk with $300-$400 easy.  Of course, you might get called, and lose, and that would suck if you were betting money you couldn't afford to lose.




Agree with most said here. I wouldn't fold kq suited with a 10 buck raise. Depending position. Provided such a loose table. If you don't hit you fold. Simple as that. Never try and bluff raise but when you do hit you'll get paid.  They were giving eachother chips all night you could've gotten a double up.

You only saw flops for the blinds? You always raise 3x the bb sounds like you lost some money that night. Sure you'll lose a small raise off the bb but when you do hit. That's where the money is.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23847221 - 11/18/16 11:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Those limped in pots and you do hit you hope somebody will bet but more often than not they just check as well. Than you don't get paid for a winning hand. Always raise into a pot. Or if you have a small pocket pair 10's down and don't hit your trip. Call preflop if you don't hit fold. Unless all the cards are smaller than your pair than you got to play the table and what you know about it.

You can't play with scared money. You have to have the bankroll to call down hands like that. The variance will win you a ton of money. Your limits that you've set mean you aren't really ready to make an actual career out of it. Your playing with scared money

If you lose a hand you had a 90% chance of winning you can't not play it next time. It happens.

I got beat with a 10/6 OS. With kk for a 100$. He had nothing and called my bets all the way to the flop. Hit a gutshot straight. I just rolled my eyes I couldn't have played it any differently. Quite a few people at the table gave me 5$ chips to get a drink. I just laughed no worries. I wouldn't have played that hand any differently. 95% of the time I win.

Next time I went dude was at the table. I walked with 300$ in my pocket. You have to have the bankroll and make solid plays. You will come out ahead over time. That's what poker is. Statistics.  I don't have the bankroll I play for fun every 2 weeks. So it didn't bother me. But if you want to do it professionally you absolutely do need to know how to bankroll. For a 1/2 table you should have at least a 5000 bankroll and that's bare minimum. So you can actually play your chips like they should be. 39$ over 3 hours at a loose table. Playing scared.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Enjoywho]
    #23847684 - 11/19/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I currently trying to buidld my bankroll from a whopping 0 dollars. I'm skimming the tables. But don't worry, when I do hit something, I'm not afraid to go all in.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Patlal]
    #23847701 - 11/19/16 08:17 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I don't understand how that is possible.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: koods]
    #23847705 - 11/19/16 08:18 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He already quadrupled his $0 stake.


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #23847711 - 11/19/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

He's all in with every hand


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: koods]
    #23847737 - 11/19/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I invested the first 100$....


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Re: Well this is it! I have reconsidered poker as a career. [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23847801 - 11/19/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Don't short yourself on ammunition.  It's one of the biggest mistakes people make.  Always buy in for the maximum.


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