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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23849867 - 11/19/16 08:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #23849873 - 11/19/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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agreedwitboardrule said:
Yo

I wanted to ask,


Is there any scientific research showing that different strains of shrooms are different chemically?

The internet has people saying:

All strains are the same, they're all shrooms which all produce the same chems.

And some other people saying:

Different strains feel different, i tripped different.


I am more inclined to believe the first one, its all shrooms and all the same chems, the different trip is just peoples experience at that point in time/setting.


Thoughts?

I'd love to know 100% which is correct, if we have any scientists/100% knowing people here.

Thank you.



Varying levels of alkaloids, how they were grown, and setting. some strains of mushrooms lack certain alkaloids.


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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23849973 - 11/19/16 09:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)



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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #23850258 - 11/20/16 12:20 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i get subtle differen,ces in effects between strains. Its more obvious between species however.

There are no studies on it cause shrooms are illegal :sad:


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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23850660 - 11/20/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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LogicaL Chaos said:
i get subtle differen,ces in effects between strains. Its more obvious between species however.

There are no studies on it cause shrooms are illegal :sad:




Until more scientific studies are done we will not know if the levels of actives in each strain will play a difference.  I have noticed differences in my trips from the different strains but I think this is all psychological.  My subconscious associates the strains as having certain attributes based on what the name of the strain evokes in my mind.  For example Amazonian shrooms give me a very primitive feeling trip with tribal visuals, Columbian seems like a stronger body load and is speedy, and Hawaiian is very happy and visual.  Your state of mind and subconscious contribute to your set and setting, including your thoughts on the strains.


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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: PinPornProducer]
    #23850669 - 11/20/16 07:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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PinPornProducer said:
Cube trip is a cube trip, some grows are heavy on the body and less visual. Some are hardly any body load and very visual. All depends on chemical make up of the fruits. But all in all the trips are basically the same other than mind set and setting obviously



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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23850671 - 11/20/16 07:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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krypto2000 said:
There *are* a bunch of various tryptamines within the psilocybe family besides psilocin, psilocybin, and beacystine(sp?), however those are the main 3. Those three all feel indistinguishable from one another from any trip report you'll read of people who have taken the pure compounds. Now consider that beacystine(sp?) occurs at about 1% that of psilocin and psilocybin and you have to conclude that regardless how it feels it's definitely not contributing to the experience with the amounts present. By extension the other tryptamines in there are at even lesser amounts so regardless how active or different they are it's pretty safe to conclude they are not doing anything either.





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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23850736 - 11/20/16 08:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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AuroraBorealis88 said:
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krypto2000 said:
:facepalm:



Step 2

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3165946/




Did you read that study? In the very beginning it starts off by saying that the various cannabinoids have been shown to *not* produce a perceivable difference in a blind test and so they speculate that maybe terpenes have an effect. They go on to test isolated terpenes in mice and a few in humans, some present in cannabis, some not, and show what possible influence they have. They end by saying it warrants more study. That's exactly what I said from the very beginning. Most of the effects they reference are non psychosomatic as well so what effects they do have are not even related to the high.


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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: Eclipse3130]
    #23852659 - 11/20/16 08:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Eclipse3130 said:
Magic Mushrooms contain 3 main psychoactive compounds: Psilocybin, psilocin and less common and lower amounts of in dried cubensis baeocystin/norbaeocystin.

Psilocybin is the main component of magic mushrooms: Phosphoro-hydroxy-DMT
When Psilocybin passes through the liver and stomache when consumed it is dephosphorized, leaving Hydroxy-DMT otherwise known as Psilocin - this is the active drug which causes the trip.

Psilocybin, psilocin and baeocystin are found in their highest levels of fresh mushrooms. - When dried, almost to all psilocin is lost, due to the degradation in the presence of oxygen.

Baeocystin is usually unmentioned or unheard of, it's an active precursor to psilocybin but is usually found in low amounts and other species of Psilocybes.

Cubensis strains don't differ that vastly, with the exception of Penis Envy, a stable mutant hybrid cross. Set and Setting is what makes trips different, psilocybin and psilocin are always going to have the same mechanism of action in your body, certain strains aren't more visual than others, it's the amount you take, the way you consume it, your mind state and your physical surroundings which make the trip change.

:cheers:



Psilocin is 4-phosphoryloxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine.

Psilocin is 4-hydroxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine.

It is important to say the position the group is on. 3-OH-DMT wouldnt have the same effect as psilocin and it probably isnt even active.

5-OH-DMT is bufoteine and has different effects that psilocin so you cant just call both of them hydroxyDMT that would cause confusion.


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Re: Different strains, different trip? Science? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23863929 - 11/24/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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krypto2000 said:

Did you read that study? In the very beginning it starts off by saying that the various cannabinoids have been shown to *not* produce a perceivable difference in a blind test and so they speculate that maybe terpenes have an effect. They go on to test isolated terpenes in mice and a few in humans, some present in cannabis, some not, and show what possible influence they have. They end by saying it warrants more study. That's exactly what I said from the very beginning. Most of the effects they reference are non psychosomatic as well so what effects they do have are not even related to the high.




Smh I wasn't saying they were psychoactive on their own. They need THC to make any sort of conscious changes.


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