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magicmushroomman
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4-Aco-DMT
#23846647 - 11/18/16 08:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So just heard about 4-Aco-DMT. Basically a legal research chemical that is supposed to mimic the effect of magic mushrooms. Has anyone had experience with this at all/ could you give me an idea of the effects? Can't believe this is the first i've heard of it.
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Psilosopherr
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Never knew it was unscheduled...how interesting I find that
obviously check out its erowid page if you haven't yet
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Dmt_psilocybin
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rbalzer said: Never knew it was unscheduled...how interesting I find that
obviously check out its erowid page if you haven't yet
It's kind of in the grey area. Technically it could fall into the federal analogue act but it doesn't specifically seem to.
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its unscheduled but is the lower homologue of psilocbin, so it might be considered an analogue.
with that said, it is a prodrug for psilocin, and, at least to me, it is nearly identical to psilocybin. i find its best utility as a 'booster' i.e. take a pea like 2ce or mescaline, then on the peak do 20mg of 4-aco-dmt, and it fucking destroys you. i love this head and body fuck because 4-aco-dmt has little adrenaline action--but lots of dopamine and serotonin agonism. the hardest part is the first 30 minutes because it hits you hard and fast.
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I've taken several doses of 4aco DMT, I have a trip report in my sig. It's definitely in my top 5.
I didn't know about combining it with a pea I will have to try that with much smaller doses of course
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larry.fisherman
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I've probably eaten 3-4g of this stuff, it's a fucking phenomenal chem. It is not exactly shrooms(for me) but for intents and purposes it's the same. In fact it's an identical twin, but even though identical twins shared a womb, might look alike and such, they are their own individual.
Prodrug activity, based on reports and the general knowledge that pharmacology varies from person to person, is likely very hit and miss. 4aco dmt is likely active on it's own and I believe that is the case. If you think of it in conversion terms based on the pharmacology, different individuals are going to get differing ratios of the active chemicals.
Now, the first thing I would say is that aside from ald52 this is the single most benign feeling RC I've tried. That is a big deal to me. The come up can be anxious but I find that remedied by a walk, or some weed/booze. Once I get past the come up I'm met with giddy euphoria among all the multi-layered visuals. Things bend and split and shift. Everything about the visuals screams mushrooms for me. Closed eye, open eye - this stuff is strong. If you can't hold onto your nuts then take it easy to begin with. I generally take 80-100mg of the stuff but tbh I wouldn't ever give anyone more than 35-40. It is a strong chemical. Get a scale.
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"4-aco-dmt is like psilocins retarded cousin who smokes salvia under the stairs."
It's a bit darker than psilocin/psilocybin IMO and has a bit more intense visuals, darker in color.
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larry.fisherman
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That has not been my experience. I actually find it to be slightly 'lighter' in mindset. Colours just as bright, same intensity in visuals.
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i often prefer 4-aco to mushrooms
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Re: 4-Aco-DMT [Re: SleepyE]
#23847291 - 11/19/16 12:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I feel it is very similar to shrooms, besides the fact that ones a powder and ones a mushroom I probably wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Like others have said get a scale, volume is a poor indicator of mass as I unfortunately found out before I had a scale.
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My favorite . My lovely 4acodmt. Beautiful melting cartoons. Waves of colors. Dripping pastel vibes. Melting faces. Feeling colors. Demons and skulls...relax breathe.. flow w the waves. Faces w fangs. Skin dripping off exposed skeleton. Breathe. It's all historical. Youre in control. Laugh at it. Transform into bliss. All is good. It's passed. Enjoy the euphoria dripping from your pupils. Evil turned to bliss...
My lovely 4acodmt
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I love it one of my favorites
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4-acO-DMT is my homies
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starfire_xes said: its unscheduled but is the lower homologue of psilocbin, so it might be considered an analogue.
with that said, it is a prodrug for psilocin, and, at least to me, it is nearly identical to psilocybin. i find its best utility as a 'booster' i.e. take a pea like 2ce or mescaline, then on the peak do 20mg of 4-aco-dmt, and it fucking destroys you. i love this head and body fuck because 4-aco-dmt has little adrenaline action--but lots of dopamine and serotonin agonism. the hardest part is the first 30 minutes because it hits you hard and fast.
Do you have a reference for the dopamine agonism? I did not think this was true, I thought it was a pure 5ht agonist.
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Eclipse3130
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4-Aco-DMT is much different than Mushrooms, but at the same time similar as it's still a DMT compound. ACO-DMT is more so closely related to oral DMT, or smoked DMT in slight sense and is also more-so heavily sedating.
1. Mushrooms are mainly Psilocybin with very low Psilocin contents
2. 4-Aco-DMT is pure hydroxy N,N-Dimethyltryptamine with an Acetoxy group on it(4-Acetoxy-N,N-dimethyltryptamine)
3. Mushrooms(Psilocybin) have to cleave the phosphoryl ester group in your liver for it to turn into Psilocin(4-Hydroxy-DMT) to produce the "peak"
4. 4-Aco-DMT is active on its own and does not have to convert through your liver before it becomes active in the BBB(blood brain barrier)through direct breakdown in the body through deacetlyation it's like ingesting pure oral DMT(which can't be found in nature - and is also why the experience is different and usually more intense) the only difference is an Acetoxy group in the place of a Hydroxy - and well that changes a lot of things
5. In my personal experiences, Aco-DMT is much more related to oral DMT - visionary, deep, and more transcendental than mushrooms. There is also no come up, come down or waves, it's very fast to the peak, and it only peaks, then it fades.
6. Synthetic 4-HO-DMT is much more manic, and chaotic than 4-ACO-DMT, the Acetoxy group provides for activity in the BBB as well as metabolizing it differently
7. I found the best way to dose is in increments of 5 minutes to reduce anxiety on come up and nausea. This one hits me with a flight or fight anxiety like no other, and crippling nausea in some.
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Edited by Eclipse3130 (11/19/16 10:31 AM)
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mctaveesh
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I love super-high doses of 4-Aco-DMT. So far it's the best Psychedelic I've tried for going into super-deep visionary states. I usually just take a whole 80-120mg and hold on tight for the first 30 minutes in, then I'm in another world. 
Similar to mushrooms. But somewhat different.
The legality thing is iffy. I definitely think you could get in trouble with it if caught since it's a prodrug of psilocin. But I don't know for sure honestly.
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czech
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6. Synthetic 4-HO-DMT is much more manic, and chaotic than 4-ACO-DMT, the Acetoxy group provides for activity in the BBB as well as metabolizing it differently.
I actually agree with this, having had access to both.
4-aco has the bonus feature of being typically more pure, but the 4-ho-dmt is much more potent, being broken down through natural pathways that have developed; especially if you are a shroom user.
The 4 aco dmt is a bit demented honestly, it's really cool and powerful but it's had some demented tint to it before.
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Re: 4-Aco-DMT [Re: czech]
#23848736 - 11/19/16 01:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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4-ACO-DMT is great When you order it online it comes in a baggie with a sticker that says not for human consumption
If you're going to order it I highly, highly suggest picking up 4-HO-MET and 4-ACO-MET as well It's the ultimate psychedelic In fact I think I'm going to go get some right now it's been too long!
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magicmushroomman said: So just heard about 4-Aco-DMT. Basically a legal research chemical that is supposed to mimic the effect of magic mushrooms. Has anyone had experience with this at all/ could you give me an idea of the effects? Can't believe this is the first i've heard of it.
A lot of people like it, I only tried it once but it was uninteresting and miserable enough that I didn't go back despite having several doses worth sitting around. I took about 25mg, had no visuals just consistent anxiety for 8 hrs plus nausea could be just bad luck
conversely, I LOVE LOVE LOVE 4-aco-MET, which is I think still legal and accessible. 4-aco-dmt may well have it's merrits overlooked by me, but MET is wonderful. Like a halfway point between LSD and shrooms, for me, with the duration of shrooms. Incredible visuals on it, even at lower doses, seeing far away neon landscapes and beings and fractal patterns with closed eyes at the 20mg dose. 40mg and it gets more intense and closer to the introspective/spiritual vibe of strong mushroom trips imo
Formulate your own opinion of course, and by no means write off 4-aco-DMT on my account, but consider 4-aco-MET as well as it's a wonderful (my favorite) substance
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larry.fisherman
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Re: 4-Aco-DMT [Re: Ezuma]
#23848992 - 11/19/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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There is at times an anxious come up, but I'd just say that it's a very sensitive psychedelic in general. It doesn't have that positive semi-stimulating vibe to it at 4aco/ho met has. If you have trouble removing your mindset from the anxiety of the come up, you may just ride it until the end. It is a deep psychedelic. That's why I didn't like it in my initial trials, I just wasn't expecting what it delivers. I really liked the met subs though, they are definitely still available. I'm gonna pick some up soon.
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mctaveesh
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I wanna try all these Tryptamines. I love 4-Aco-DMT and recently tried 4-Ho-MIPT and lovedddd it.
So much variation in these different Synthetic Psychedelics. I can see why Sasha Shulgin was so interested in creating new chemicals.
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MET is definitely overlooked and way underrated
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I'm certainly a PEA type of person, but 4-aco-is a breath of fresh tripping' I get lots of visuals before getting mind fucked, so that is why I like to do a head fucking' PEA like mescaline or 2CE along with it. The come up is anxious because of the huge zinger in my spine, so I close my eyes and let the clouds of fractals roll up in my head while listening to music. After about 30 minutes, I am totally fucked and ready for some beers.
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If I ever get rich I was planing on building a gas chamber filled with nitrogen to do chemistry in. You can make 4-ho-DMT (Phosphate Ester) but it breaks down from the oxygen so you have to have a whole room filled with nitrogen otherwise it would break down . If I win the lottery I would build a gas chamber and start making 4-ho-DMT red pills (like the matrix) but cut them with harmine and harmaline HCL (thats about as deep as the rabbit hole gets and its a 12 hour journey). Thats a real matrix pill
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Edited by Wu-tang (11/19/16 07:45 PM)
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Re: 4-Aco-DMT [Re: Wu-tang]
#23849861 - 11/19/16 08:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wtf, a room filled with nitrogen? How would you breath? That's funny as shit.
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I recommend everyone try 4-aco-dmt for yourself and make up your own mind. I've had truly mind blowing expirences filled with all the good feels and good vibes I know and love.
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Wu-tang
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krypto2000 said: Wtf, a room filled with nitrogen? How would you breath? That's funny as shit.
You can use a scuba tank in the room you do the reaction and then press the pills all in a complete nitrogen environment. Its the same chemical that turns blue in shrooms but without oxygen it doesn't turn blue and degrade but you have to press it in a pill or it will degrade outside of the gas chamber. It comes from 4-acetoxyindole and is the exact same chemical in mushrooms. Its like real synthetic mushrooms but at least 4-aco-dmt is stable. Its way easier to grow shrooms but Albert Hoffman made psilocin and psilocybin pills way back in the day and Albert Hoffman is my hero. I just want to make it because I want to do the same things Albert Hoffman did but sadly I work minimum wage and cant even afford the glass to make LSD. I did figure out how to make about a gram of LSD for around $1,000 though but enough of my rambling sorry for derailing the 4-aco-dmt thread
-------------------- 400 years ago-The earth is the center of the universe and anyone who says outherwise is a heretic. How dare you claim that the earth is not the center of the universe? Your looking glass your moons around Jupiter and your navigation tables prove nothing. Your heresy is an affront to the church and to God who made the earth the center of the universe. Now-All drugs that can expand consciousness are without medical or social justification and anyone who uses them is a criminal. How dare you claim that an understanding of God is to be found in a white powder? This talk of communication with the inner self, the finding of one's way into the hidden reaches of the unconscious, is New Age nonsense and simply an excuse to use dangerous drugs.
Edited by Wu-tang (11/20/16 07:38 PM)
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