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Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’
    #23846631 - 11/18/16 08:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

https://motherboard.vice.com/read/trumps-cia-director-pick-thinks-using-encryption-may-itself-be-a-red-flag

Donald Trump announced on Friday that he’s chosen Congressman Mike Pompeo to run the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the premiere spy agency of the United States. .

Pompeo, a Republican lawmaker from Kansas and a former Army officer, has little-to-no experience in the world of intelligence (other than being part of the House Intelligence Committee), but he’s distinguished himself for being a strong supporter of mass surveillance and for thinking that using encryption, by itself, might be a sign that you’re a terrorist.

“Forcing terrorists into encrypted channels, however, impedes their operational effectiveness by constraining the amount of data they can send and complicating transmission protocols, a phenomenon known in military parlance as virtual attrition,” Pompeo wrote in an op-ed published in January by The Wall Street Journal. “Moreover, the use of strong encryption in personal communications may itself be a red flag.”

”The use of strong encryption in personal communications may itself be a red flag.”
Encryption is a process that encodes data so that it can only be read or accessed by certain people. In this context, the term is mostly used to refer to encrypted messaging apps where only the sender and recipient can read the message, such as iMessage, WhatsApp or Signal, or encryption at rest, which safeguards data on the device, be it a phone or a computer. These are common technologies used by activists, journalists, and, increasingly, just anyone who uses a smartphone or a modern computer.

The political debate over encryption has intensified in the U.S. in recent years, coming to a head earlier this year when Apple refused a court order to decrypt the iPhone of one of the suspected San Bernardino mass shooters.

To his credit, Pompeo decried any attempts to weaken encryption by pushing companies to have a backdoor that the government can use to access encrypted data, saying such a mandate “would do little good, since terrorists would simply switch to foreign or home-built encryption.”

That’s why he argued for more human intelligence and a renewed focus on increasing funding and personnel for the FBI, given that “encryption is bringing the golden age of technology-driven surveillance to a close.”

Pompeo is also a great fan of mass surveillance. In another op-ed, published in the conservative news outlet National Review, Pompeo criticized the Obama administration for being less willing to “collect intelligence on jihadis.” He also wrote that the USA FREEDOM Act, the law that imposed new limits on the NSA’s bulk telephone records-gathering program, “gutted” the program and made America less safe.

“Less intelligence capacity equals less safety,” Pompeo wrote.

He also opposed closing Guantanamo and after a visit to the prison in 2013 he said that “a lot” of the prisoners who were on hunger strike looked like they “had put on weight.” And he condemned Muslim clerics for being silent on Islamic terrorism, which, he argued, made them “complicit” in the terrorist attacks.

”The ongoing nepotism used to select unqualified and in some cases, dangerous people for leadership in these key positions may well lead to a catastrophic failure for the United States.”
For all these reasons, the choice of Pompeo has left some in the intelligence community befuddled.

“None of us believe that a couple of years in the Army followed by sitting on a committee in Congress qualifies anyone for any position in the CIA, much less as the Director,” a former military officer who also worked in the intelligence community told Motherboard on condition of anonymity. “We believe that the ongoing nepotism used to select unqualified and in some cases, dangerous people for leadership in these key positions may well lead to a catastrophic failure for the United States.”


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: tdubz] * 2
    #23846686 - 11/18/16 09:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Then congratulations US military, you are terrorists.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: tdubz] * 2
    #23846692 - 11/18/16 09:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

America, what the fuck did we get ourselves into now? :wtfsonic:


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: ONE OZ SLUG] * 1
    #23846706 - 11/18/16 09:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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America, what the fuck did we get ourselves into now? :wtfsonic:




Shall soon find out.  We shall see how invincible people's delusions of Jesus are.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Morel Guy] * 5
    #23846872 - 11/18/16 09:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

why does the isp need my internet history?
why does the bank need to know my transactions?
they want to monitor everything we do but nothing they do will stop gun trafficking or mass shootings

they want to take away abortion but they don't want to give us health care

they want oil everywhere but they don't want to protect the enviroment

they want conservative values but they want to infrine on the lgbt communities rights

virtually everything this party does is hypocritical


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23847318 - 11/19/16 12:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Everyone should use encryption, there are a lot of reasons to aside from browsing anonymously.

Hopefully one day more people are smart and use encryption so this becomes moot. They could go after the least encrypted people perhaps but that may be it.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Konyap]
    #23847319 - 11/19/16 12:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Black_Sunset]
    #23847397 - 11/19/16 02:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It's funny how an incumbent CIA director is talking about civilian encryption when the government is vastly ahead of the populous. If you really believe you are anonymous or have any type of encryption available to the public quite frankly it's a joke compared to what the government has. Your data might be secure if it is stolen or even tampered by a malicious hacker to gain access, but if you think for a second that the government cannot break any type of civilian encryption you have you are sadly mistaken. Everything else is a pony show the court battles, the want for back doors, limiting NSA surveillance through the USA freedom act...it is all just a puppet show an it is going to get worse depending on which side you are on.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Konyap] * 1
    #23847481 - 11/19/16 03:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Konyap said:
why does the isp need my internet history?
why does the bank need to know my transactions?
they want to monitor everything we do but nothing they do will stop gun trafficking or mass shootings

they want to take away abortion but they don't want to give us health care

they want oil everywhere but they don't want to protect the enviroment

they want conservative values but they want to infrine on the lgbt communities rights

virtually everything this party does is hypocritical




Yeah man, we'll drill more oil instead of investing in clean energy

So we'll have plenty of oil to drink when we can't grow food anymore


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: tdubz] * 2
    #23847694 - 11/19/16 08:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If you really believe you are anonymous or l any type of encryption available to the public quite frankly it's a joke compared to what the government has. Your data might be secure if it is stolen or even tampered by a malicious hacker to gain access, but if you think for a second that the government cannot break any type of civilian encryption you have you are sadly mistaken.



So you're sayin now that the NSA can crack all personal encryption keys??? 2048 and 4096 bit?

God damn dude you literally can't stop spreading LIES as fact can you?? Got any single bit of evidence to back that up??

Here's something to ponder.  If the government is so adept they can easily crack 2048 bit encryption keys, how come a police department in Boston had to pay a ransom to a crypto locker...which wasn't even 4096 bit??  How come the FBI forced Apple to back door in to the san berdino hackers phone?? How come the DHS operation to take down Ross ulbright was entirely centered on him NOT closing his computer??

So tdubz continuing to spread misinformation without any evidence to back it up as fact...same as it ever was.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Big Bear] * 1
    #23847718 - 11/19/16 08:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Encryption works. Properly implemented strong crypto systems are one of the few things that you can rely on. Unfortunately, endpoint security is so terrifically weak that NSA can frequently find ways around it.



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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Big Bear]
    #23847759 - 11/19/16 08:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

These are good questions.

I believe they try their best to deny others knowing their capabilities.  It leaves people paranoid or overly secure in their thinking.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Morel Guy]
    #23847781 - 11/19/16 08:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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These are good questions.

I believe they try their best to deny others knowing their capabilities.  It leaves people paranoid or overly secure in their thinking.



Of course they do.  But we can't just assume "oh they have money so everything we know about cryptography is a lie" because it simply isn't.  The PEOPLE innovate then they try to restrict.

If all encryption was compromised as tdubz so eloquently loves to falsely suggest, then everyone who used encryption  in opposition to them would be fucked.  They simply aren't though.

If you ready any of tdubz threads they usually start with a fact then digress in to unsubstantiated claims with zero evidence to back them up.  It's almost like he works for a misinformation campaign.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Big Bear]
    #23847863 - 11/19/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If you really believe you are anonymous or l any type of encryption available to the public quite frankly it's a joke compared to what the government has. Your data might be secure if it is stolen or even tampered by a malicious hacker to gain access, but if you think for a second that the government cannot break any type of civilian encryption you have you are sadly mistaken.



So you're sayin now that the NSA can crack all personal encryption keys??? 2048 and 4096 bit?

God damn dude you literally can't stop spreading LIES as fact can you?? Got any single bit of evidence to back that up??

Here's something to ponder.  If the government is so adept they can easily crack 2048 bit encryption keys, how come a police department in Boston had to pay a ransom to a crypto locker...which wasn't even 4096 bit??  How come the FBI forced Apple to back door in to the san berdino hackers phone?? How come the DHS operation to take down Ross ulbright was entirely centered on him NOT closing his computer??

So tdubz continuing to spread misinformation without any evidence to back it up as fact...same as it ever was.




>how come the fbi forced apple to give them a back door in the san bernadino case

Pretty sure they didn't force apple, as they fought tooth and nail to not allow this.

http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-fbi-drops-fight-to-force-apple-to-unlock-san-bernardino-terrorist-iphone-20160328-story.html

an outside group was able to crack it, and the fbi used that.


As far as Ross goes, the fbi likely framed him with the murder thing. Highly doubt he actually put a hit out on someone, but that seems like a common behavior of the fbi and dea etc, as they have been well known to do shady things like... stealing massive amounts of bitcoins in cases, or changing information about how the data in the case was recieved, as the departments often share information.



Big Bear - the governement doesn't talk about anything of it's current capabilities for obvious security reasons. You don't let the enemy know what your parameters are, so they don't know what you can and cannot do.

Following that, they are tinkering with quantum computers at the moment, but that technology will likely be the force that renders all current encryption technology obsolete as it will make leaps and bounds over the current time it takes to break an encryption code.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: 404] * 2
    #23847959 - 11/19/16 10:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That doesn't change any facts that as of now there isn't  real factual evidence to suggest encryption is fucked as a whole.  I don't doubt Ross was framed for the murder thing, and never have.

My point was this:
1. The FBI fought tooth and nail for access in to an encrypted device (albeit poorly encrypted)
2. DHS worked incredibly hard to gain access to ross' computer, to ensure it wasn't closed and encrypted
3. Militarized police agencies in the United States have PAID RANSOMS to hackers for a 2048 bit encrypted hack
4. Many politically Dissident organizations that use encryption still are functioning with impunity

So sure we can speculate all we want, and believe you me I encourage it.  But, to spread it as fact that all our encryption measures are in vain? That's just ignorance, plain and simple. 

Do I think in the future we may have to worry about using measures from the past?? Absolutely.  Do I think we should all go around telling people encryption is useless because they've already won the war? Of course not.  that's ignorance as well.

If encryption was so useles why is authoritarian legislation fighting tooth and nail against it?

There is zero reason to suggest using signal and tor are bad ideas.  In fact, it's ignorant to suggest people shouldn't when texts and internet history are so easily subpoenaed. 

Sure 404.  I get your point that we don't know what they can do.  My point though is that we shouldn't spread information as fact when we don't actually have a clue.  As of now the EVIDENCE sure points to them having a real problem with it.  Just because some kid can write a couple lines in rails doesn't mean he's the world's foremost authority on what the NSA can actually do.  Until real evidence is proved I think I'll trust the former NSA contractor's opinion on the matter over some stranger without any proof over the internet.

As of 9/21 Snowden is still advocating the use of encryption and tor.
https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/778592275144314884

But no we should totally assume he's wrong and tdubz is right. Using encryption is totally useless cuz tdubz says so cuz da big bad gubment so smarty


Edited by Big Bear (11/19/16 10:06 AM)


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Konyap]
    #23848363 - 11/19/16 12:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Konyap said:
why does the isp need my internet history?
why does the bank need to know my transactions?
they want to monitor everything we do but nothing they do will stop gun trafficking or mass shootings

they want to take away abortion but they don't want to give us health care

they want oil everywhere but they don't want to protect the enviroment

they want conservative values but they want to infrine on the lgbt communities rights

virtually everything this party does is hypocritical




I used to be a hardcore republican conservative. The hypocrisy is one of the things that pushed me away. The other thing that pushed me away is this peculiar thing I noticed while being a conservative.... Not every republican I met was a racist... but every racist I met was a republican.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: Big Bear]
    #23849529 - 11/19/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I am speculating because any capabilities are indeed secret, but you can find a lot of leaked information online and declassified material. I have read through the programs the NSA uses some more in depth than others so that is what I base my opinion on. And if the FBI has to pay a contractor to break into something, they are still breaking encryption as if it were them...although most of those are just what I believe to be cover stories.

I do not think fighting encryption is a wasted effort, I just believe the resources the federal government has allowes them to be much further ahead of the citizenry, I don't know why it's so hard for you to accept that. The NSA director said that Snowden's 2013 leak caused encryption to be sped up 7 years earlier than the NSA had anticipated.

Quantum computers will no doubt make all current encryption penetrable (speculation). The first official working quantum computer was made by nasa last year for about 10 million (that the public knows about). The black budget is 50 billion. 


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: tdubz]
    #23849602 - 11/19/16 06:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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As of 2016, the development of actual quantum computers is still in its infancy, but experiments have been carried out in which quantum computational operations were executed on a very small number of quantum bits.[7] Both practical and theoretical research continues, and many national governments and military agencies are funding quantum computing research in an effort to develop quantum computers for civilian, business, trade, environmental and national security purposes, such as cryptanalysis.




You should try actually looking into things before repeating them...

All current "quantum computers" are not even close to the real thing and they still have some serious hurdles to overcome before any true ones exist.

I assume you are thinking of this though:

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In December 2015 NASA publicly displayed the world's first fully operational $15-million quantum computer made by the Canadian company D-Wave at the Quantum Artificial Intelligence Laboratory at its Ames Research Center in California's Moffett Field. The device was purchased in 2013 via a partnership with Google and Universities Space Research Association. Despite using quantum effects the algorithm run on the quantum computer does not outperform Selby’s algorithm run on a classical computer.




Notice that last part, 15 million and it can't even outperform traditional computers :rofldrunk:

They can call it a "quantum computer" and maybe in some technical ways it is but as I said the technology is still being developed and has a long way to go :shrug:


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: musiclover420]
    #23849607 - 11/19/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That's one of the only ones we know of that is public and yes the programming of quantum applications are just barely in their infancy but guess what they are working on it right now.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: tdubz]
    #23849627 - 11/19/16 07:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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That's one of the only ones we know of that is public and yes the programming of quantum applications are just barely in their infancy but guess what they are working on it right now.




There already are crazy supercomputers out there so until some serious breakthroughs occur I don't see how it matters at all.

Anyways once they become a thing it will only be so long before they become common and or people find ways to exploit them.

You seem to be grasping at straws for reasons why using encryption is sketchy :lol: Clearly plenty of people use it safely and get away with tons of things online...


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #23849707 - 11/19/16 07:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Major businesses use encryption all the time, hell I'd use it if I was a CEO to protect my company's trade secrets.  There are legitimate uses for encryption, which makes Pompeo's attitude towards encryption even scarier.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: musiclover420]
    #23849709 - 11/19/16 07:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well maybe I know things you don't know or have read things you haven't... guess what i plan to do for a living. Big bear, thinks I'm spreading misinformation, that is not my intention at all I'm just posting my opinion. Big bear attacks me on one hand yet praises me the other for bringing the topic into discussion, which is all I'm really trying to do. I do get carried away with my opinion sometimes but I guess I'm just going have to emphasis that I'm speculating or Big bear is going to come in attack me.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: tdubz]
    #23849765 - 11/19/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

See, another vague response :lol: Maybe that is why it feels like you are spreading misinformation, all I have seen so far is vague speculation.

If you know things we don't then why not share them instead of the fear mongering? All I know is there are tons of online drug dealers and buyers large and small who rely on encryption and get away with their illegal business becouse of it. Even if it isn't foolproof (nothing is) I imagine in many cases it is safer then street dealing :shrug: For a lot of reasons too.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: musiclover420]
    #23849792 - 11/19/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm not about to go out of my way and pull up a bunch a links for you guys if you want to know more go out find out about it. Or wait till I post more news articles about it.

https://projects.propublica.org/nsa-grid/

EgotisticalGoat and EgotisticalGiraffe The Egotistical animal programs are techniques to track users of Tor anonymizing software.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: musiclover420]
    #23850012 - 11/19/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

tdubz said:
That's one of the only ones we know of that is public and yes the programming of quantum applications are just barely in their infancy but guess what they are working on it right now.




There already are crazy supercomputers out there so until some serious breakthroughs occur I don't see how it matters at all.

Anyways once they become a thing it will only be so long before they become common and or people find ways to exploit them.

You seem to be grasping at straws for reasons why using encryption is sketchy :lol: Clearly plenty of people use it safely and get away with tons of things online...





i know from their xkeyscore program that they track people that look into encryption programs... unless you made your keys on a device never connected to a network, there's always a way in, i think zero-day attacks would be what i am thinking of in this instance, but i'm going to need to go back and read up on this stuff.


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Re: Trump’s CIA Director Pick Thinks Using Encryption ‘May Itself Be A Red Flag’ [Re: 404]
    #23850105 - 11/19/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well regardless of all the above, these next 4 years are going to be quite a spectacle to behold..  I wonder how this will all play out.. and even then there's no real denying the world as a whole is entering "circus mode".  It's anyone's guess..


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