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Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot.
    #23846295 - 11/18/16 06:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Greetings, friends!



I have a bunch of rye that is pretty heavily infested with ergot. I separated some and figure it's around 2.5% ergot by weight. My question is, is this rye safe to use as mushroom spawn? It's a total bummer trying to separate it by hand and it's only a dozen bushels or so, so I doubt any grain cleaning service would want my business. My worries are probably a little far fetched but I'm concerned that perhaps like how some species hyper accumulate heavy metals in fruit bodies, maybe the same can be happening with harmful ergot alkaloids. Perhaps someone much smarter than me can shed some light on this for me. If I can't get to the bottom of this I've got my work cut out for me sifting through these dirty kernels. I don't think I'd be able to bring myself to throw away that much grain. Not only am I too cheap, there are too many hungry folks out there to be acting like that.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: TomGreen]
    #23847458 - 11/19/16 03:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This guy. As i can say that it shouldn't be a problem since your not using the ergot in its life cycle plus your killing it off when cooking it. Myc will feed on died ergot. Still at the moment i must say i hate you. If 2.5% of 10lb grain is a lot of ergot. 4 oz infact and 2.24 grams of lsa. That your just wasting because your being lazy and dont want to pick it out


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: tump]
    #23847621 - 11/19/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Friend, I've got 12 BUSHELS, not 10 pounds! A bushel of rye weighs 35 lbs. Really wished I didn't slack in school, I could have been swimming in LSD. :cool: Thanks for the reply!


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: TomGreen]
    #23852611 - 11/20/16 08:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hahahah tump is an asshole.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: Plazmotech]
    #23854910 - 11/21/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If anybody else would like to chime in with some info or experiences it would really help!


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: TomGreen]
    #23855073 - 11/21/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm lost cereal rye is 56 lbs per bushel. Do you have rye grass seed?  If you have rye grass I don't know how you would get the ergot out of it. Not sure it would be worth the risk.
I've seen ergot in cattle not good.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: Quadman]
    #23855812 - 11/21/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I'm lost cereal rye is 56 lbs per bushel. Do you have rye grass seed?  If you have rye grass I don't know how you would get the ergot out of it. Not sure it would be worth the risk.
I've seen ergot in cattle not good.




Not that either. Rye grass seed is 26 lbs per bushel. But I'm sure if this guy has hundreds of lbs of something he probably knows what it is. Maybe math isn't his specialty  :shrug:


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: TomGreen]
    #23855829 - 11/21/16 10:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i think that traditionally you're supposed to float the infected grains out.  makes it relatively easy. not sure how you're supposed to dry it again.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23858307 - 11/22/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My mistake on the bushels/lbs. I was reciting those numbers by memory... Very faulty memory apparently. :P I originally bought 16 bushels of rye grain. I estimate I've got 12 left. All the grains sink, infected or not. Really the only method I've found that works is sifting through it by hand on a table but it's a pain. One day I'd like grow out a bunch of different species on substrates that are heavily contaminated with ergot and get some lab coats to run some tests to see if harmful chemicals are being passed from substrate to fruit without being converted to other harmless chemicals. Maybe somebody's done this before but I've never heard of it. Even if it turns out that it's entirely safe to eat mushrooms growing on lots of ergot, separating it isn't entirely a lost cause. I can barter it to some chemist who wants to make "migraine medication" :wink:


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: TomGreen]
    #23858313 - 11/22/16 06:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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My mistake on the bushels/lbs. I was reciting those numbers by memory... Very faulty memory apparently. :P I originally bought 16 bushels of rye grain. I estimate I've got 12 left. All the grains sink, infected or not. Really the only method I've found that works is sifting through it by hand on a table but it's a pain. One day I'd like grow out a bunch of different species on substrates that are heavily contaminated with ergot and get some lab coats to run some tests to see if harmful chemicals are being passed from substrate to fruit without being converted to other harmless chemicals. Maybe somebody's done this before but I've never heard of it. Even if it turns out that it's entirely safe to eat mushrooms growing on lots of ergot, separating it isn't entirely a lost cause. I can barter it to some chemist who wants to make "migraine medication" :wink:




Where the hell did you get 16 bushels of rye?

I'm sitting here buying 1lb not wanting to buy more because its expensive af


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: Plazmotech]
    #23859686 - 11/23/16 07:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The toxicity of ergot is highly exagerrated/misunderstood. You can probably eat a ha dful of that ergot right now and be totally fine. The gangrenous symptoms occur from an accumulation of effects from eating it for a long period of time, probably in the realm of months. I have never heard a case of someone getting an acute case of gangrene and necrosis from eating ergot. It used to happen back in the day because their either did not know ergot was the cause or because they had nothing else to eat and ate it anyway. So even if the alkaloids do get taken up into the mushrooms unless you are tripping daily for a prolonged period of time I wouldn't worry about it.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: krypto2000]
    #23859711 - 11/23/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The toxicity of ergot is highly exagerrated/misunderstood. You can probably eat a ha dful of that ergot right now and be totally fine. The gangrenous symptoms occur from an accumulation of effects from eating it for a long period of time, probably in the realm of months. I have never heard a case of someone getting an acute case of gangrene and necrosis from eating ergot. It used to happen back in the day because their either did not know ergot was the cause or because they had nothing else to eat and ate it anyway. So even if the alkaloids do get taken up into the mushrooms unless you are tripping daily for a prolonged period of time I wouldn't worry about it.


I disagree completely about eating a handful of ergot. When I was a teenager I ate 1 or 2 ergot sclerotia (from wild rye grass, not rye grain so they are a lot smaller on the rye grass). I was troubled with bad vasoconstriction and circulation problems for weeks or longer afterwards. I would hope that nobody ever eats a handful of ergot because it is a very potent and dangerous fungus. If one or two small sclerotia of ergot affected me so badly, a handful of rye grain ergot would probably kill me or at least cause loss of a limb or two.

Ergot really is not something you want to mess about with (fair enough if you're extracting alkaloids to attempt to make lsd, use proper precautions).


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: wicca mixer]
    #23859733 - 11/23/16 07:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Screw making lsd, start with etracting lsa which can be stored easier . you can learn to make lsd, lsz, and the many drugs you can make with it later. It is a powerful drug class which can harm you so be safe. I grow mory glory plants for years just get small amounts of it. Spend the time to strain it out. Mushrooms myc can filter out all kinds of poisons. For years people use cow shit which also contents poison plant waste in it. You don't see people getting milk sickness anymore because we learned to not feed cattle those weeds if there milk producer. We don't get sick form ergot alkaloids because we filter that out of food chain. I too wonder where you get your grain


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: tump] * 1
    #23859853 - 11/23/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I got my grain from a farmer I found on Kijiji. Nobody seemed to be selling grain on kijiji, probably something to do with grain board regulations, but there was an ad for the hay of rye and some other grains so I hit him up. I did know when I was buying it that it wasn't clean grain. He described it as having "dockage" in our email exchange. I'm pretty sure he just sells it to a distributor who cleans with fancy equipment then sells it. As far as the price, a lot of you guys are going to think I'm lying . 5 Canadian pesos/bushel is what he wanted to charge me. I ended up giving him a 50% tip though. Still, filling half of a long box pickup truck with grain for 120$ isn't so bad lol even if it's a little ergoty :cheers:


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: TomGreen]
    #23859857 - 11/23/16 08:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

He told me he was charging a little extra cause I wasn't buying that much XD LOL


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: TomGreen]
    #23859947 - 11/23/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lucky son a bicth i cant find the ad. It might be cheap because of ergot


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: wicca mixer]
    #23860026 - 11/23/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The toxicity of ergot is highly exagerrated/misunderstood. You can probably eat a ha dful of that ergot right now and be totally fine. The gangrenous symptoms occur from an accumulation of effects from eating it for a long period of time, probably in the realm of months. I have never heard a case of someone getting an acute case of gangrene and necrosis from eating ergot. It used to happen back in the day because their either did not know ergot was the cause or because they had nothing else to eat and ate it anyway. So even if the alkaloids do get taken up into the mushrooms unless you are tripping daily for a prolonged period of time I wouldn't worry about it.


I disagree completely about eating a handful of ergot. When I was a teenager I ate 1 or 2 ergot sclerotia (from wild rye grass, not rye grain so they are a lot smaller on the rye grass). I was troubled with bad vasoconstriction and circulation problems for weeks or longer afterwards. I would hope that nobody ever eats a handful of ergot because it is a very potent and dangerous fungus. If one or two small sclerotia of ergot affected me so badly, a handful of rye grain ergot would probably kill me or at least cause loss of a limb or two.

Ergot really is not something you want to mess about with (fair enough if you're extracting alkaloids to attempt to make lsd, use proper precautions).




Are you sure that wasn't a placebo? I don't think you would lie or make that up but that is extremely difficult for me to believe. If that little amount of ergot caused such extreme vasoconstriction then eating bread would surely kill you quite quickly since ALL bread has rrgot in it, even today. During the times when people were losing limbs to gangrene their bread had as much as 25% slcerotia in it and they ate it every day. The gangrene is a cumulative effect, it's not going to happen overnight. The effects do not last for weeks either, once the alkaloids are out of your system so are the effects.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: tump]
    #23860662 - 11/23/16 01:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Screw making lsd, start with etracting lsa which can be stored easier . you can learn to make lsd, lsz, and the many drugs you can make with it later. It is a powerful drug class which can harm you so be safe. I grow mory glory plants for years just get small amounts of it. Spend the time to strain it out. Mushrooms myc can filter out all kinds of poisons. For years people use cow shit which also contents poison plant waste in it. You don't see people getting milk sickness anymore because we learned to not feed cattle those weeds if there milk producer. We don't get sick form ergot alkaloids because we filter that out of food chain. I too wonder where you get your grain



Tump , poor information. Milk sickness , I don't have a clue what or where you got that term or even what your talking about. Sure milk is safer mainly due to pasteurizing and strict medicinal controls. I have seen effects of ergot on dairy cattle. It was in a herd that I was the nutritionist for. Took some time to even figure out the problem. Ergot was not very visible. Chances are if it is poisonous for us it is also poisonous to cattle.


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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: Quadman]
    #23860789 - 11/23/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Screw making lsd, start with etracting lsa which can be stored easier . you can learn to make lsd, lsz, and the many drugs you can make with it later. It is a powerful drug class which can harm you so be safe. I grow mory glory plants for years just get small amounts of it. Spend the time to strain it out. Mushrooms myc can filter out all kinds of poisons. For years people use cow shit which also contents poison plant waste in it. You don't see people getting milk sickness anymore because we learned to not feed cattle those weeds if there milk producer. We don't get sick form ergot alkaloids because we filter that out of food chain. I too wonder where you get your grain



Tump , poor information. Milk sickness , I don't have a clue what or where you got that term or even what your talking about. Sure milk is safer mainly due to pasteurizing and strict medicinal controls. I have seen effects of ergot on dairy cattle. It was in a herd that I was the nutritionist for. Took some time to even figure out the problem. Ergot was not very visible. Chances are if it is poisonous for us it is also poisonous to cattle.



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Re: Growing mushrooms on rye heavily infested with ergot. [Re: drake89]
    #23860809 - 11/23/16 02:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Cattle definitely get ergot poisoning, the symptoms are the same as for humans. Convulsions and delirium in acute doses and gangrene/necrosis in long term use.

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Screw making lsd, start with etracting lsa which can be stored easier . you can learn to make lsd, lsz, and the many drugs you can make with it later. It is a powerful drug class which can harm you so be safe. I grow mory glory plants for years just get small amounts of it. Spend the time to strain it out. Mushrooms myc can filter out all kinds of poisons. For years people use cow shit which also contents poison plant waste in it. You don't see people getting milk sickness anymore because we learned to not feed cattle those weeds if there milk producer. We don't get sick form ergot alkaloids because we filter that out of food chain. I too wonder where you get your grain



Tump , poor information. Milk sickness , I don't have a clue what or where you got that term or even what your talking about. Sure milk is safer mainly due to pasteurizing and strict medicinal controls. I have seen effects of ergot on dairy cattle. It was in a herd that I was the nutritionist for. Took some time to even figure out the problem. Ergot was not very visible. Chances are if it is poisonous for us it is also poisonous to cattle.



People used to get sick when cattle are toxic plants




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