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Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB
    #23845656 - 11/18/16 03:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The arm holes are too large for PVC plumbing fixtures and caps, and they have closed cell pipe insulation around them as well. ( to cover any sharp edges and to reduce the diameter of the holes for less air inflow)

I'm using the box for a pseudo-incubation chamber for some petries, and wanted to seal up the armholes. I happened to have some Press'N Seal laying out, so I pulled some off the roll, and was pleasantly surprised to find it adhered to both the plastic box and the pipe insulation. 

It was far easier than my original plan to tape some plastic sheeting over the holes.
I may cut a big slit in the middle of the PNS coverings to minimize air disturbance/anything that could push more outside air into the SAB.
When you lower the sheet of PNS to cover the arm hole, it seems to me like it's probably pushing a small amount of air into the SAB.
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Hope it might help someone else.

(searched for press'n seal, and didn't see any mention of this)


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23845676 - 11/18/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Someone on this site uses magnetic sheets to cover the holes.  This is the best thing I've seen  and imo is better than the pvc.  I use velcro strips and plastic sheets but I'm going to switch to the magnetic sheets whenever I find them.

btw when you are actually using your sab you don't want small holes (in your case a slit).  Small holes or openings cause something we call "the piston effect"


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23845854 - 11/18/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I use a 66qt tub lid leaned against the holes.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: filthyknees]
    #23846009 - 11/18/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I guess you could just put an empty one over it too, but that's more expensive


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23846117 - 11/18/16 05:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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btw when you are actually using your sab you don't want small holes (in your case a slit).  Small holes or openings cause something we call "the piston effect"




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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23846168 - 11/18/16 06:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Someone on this site uses magnetic sheets to cover the holes.  This is the best thing I've seen  and imo is better than the pvc.  I use velcro strips and plastic sheets but I'm going to switch to the magnetic sheets whenever I find them.

btw when you are actually using your sab you don't want small holes (in your case a slit).  Small holes or openings cause something we call "the piston effect"




I saw the magnetic sheet idea too, and that somewhat inspired this idea.

The 'piston effect' is what I feared I was getting when I lowered the sheet of pressn seal. I wonder if that isn't more a function of speed rather than total misplacement. The large sheet coming down could trap/push more air than an arm going in...
Still a good point though.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23846205 - 11/18/16 06:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've never even bothered with covering my armholes. Its not something thats going to make or break your operation. The real beauty of the sab is the wet walls. Even if air gets moved around, it gets trapped in the water.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23846240 - 11/18/16 06:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The only real time I seal it up is when printing, and letting things cool down. Even the cooling thing tho you don't need to cover it up.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Mad Season]
    #23846477 - 11/18/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I just leave mine open the whole fucking time. :shrug:

totally defeats the purpose of a SAB if you needed to cover the holes to make it work


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23846793 - 11/18/16 09:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It just makes me feel better.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23846849 - 11/18/16 09:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Said the grown man with the pacifier dependency.
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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23846856 - 11/18/16 09:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I've never even bothered with covering my armholes. Its not something thats going to make or break your operation



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I just leave mine open the whole fucking time. :shrug:

totally defeats the purpose of a SAB if you needed to cover the holes to make it work





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The only real time I seal it up is when printing, and letting things cool down. Even the cooling thing tho you don't need to cover it up.




It's not being used as a SAB with the Press'N Seal...
It's being used as an incubation chamber in a backroom that's less than ideal for this. That's why the arm holes are covered.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23847591 - 11/19/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There's nothing wrong with covering your arm holes, and if there is I'd love to hear a reason that makes sense.  I can think of more reasons to cover the holes than not to.  Unless, I mean you are completely going out of your way to do it.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23847802 - 11/19/16 08:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Some times there is a reason to cover the holes, like printing, it doesn't defeat the purpose


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23847942 - 11/19/16 09:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There's nothing wrong with covering your arm holes, and if there is I'd love to hear a reason that makes sense.  I can think of more reasons to cover the holes than not to.  Unless, I mean you are completely going out of your way to do it.



More air movement than if you had not. I think it's more detrimental than effective it you're trying to use it as a SAB


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23848001 - 11/19/16 10:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

honestly, i never. ever cover the holes. before every use i clean it out anyway.
sometimes ill go to prep my box and find a cat sleeping in it.


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It's not being used as a SAB...
....It's being used as an incubation chamber




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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23848268 - 11/19/16 11:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I just leave mine open the whole fucking time. :shrug:

totally defeats the purpose of a SAB if you needed to cover the holes to make it work



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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: mushboy]
    #23848331 - 11/19/16 11:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I use my Sab about three days out of the week.  I tend to leave my Petris in the Sab when I'm not doing work in my Sab.  So I cover up the holes.  Still don't get why this is a bad idea? 
Obviously if the Sab was empty I wouldn't bother.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23848386 - 11/19/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23848397 - 11/19/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There's nothing wrong with covering your arm holes, and if there is I'd love to hear a reason that makes sense.  I can think of more reasons to cover the holes than not to.  Unless, I mean you are completely going out of your way to do it.



More air movement than if you had not. I think it's more detrimental than effective it you're trying to use it as a SAB




:whathesaid: I think it's better to use it as a regular old SAB than a GB, because you're wafting a lot more air around with any movement you make when you've sealed up the box and trapped air inside of it. Maybe if you're some kind of sterility master who can ensure that the GB and everything inside it is sterile, then a GB becomes more viable. But I don't know how one would do that consistently and effectively.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic] * 1
    #23848513 - 11/19/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

All right free speech, allow me to speak freely
That's actually not what I'm talking about.  Who said anything about a glove box?
Don't jump into an argument and make a fool out of yourself when you don't even know what we are talking about.
I think I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing. 

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I use my Sab about three days out of the week.  I tend to leave my Petris in the Sab when I'm not doing work in my Sab.  So I cover up the holes.  Still don't get why this is a bad idea? 
Obviously if the Sab was empty I wouldn't bother.




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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: freespeech]
    #23848599 - 11/19/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When taking prints leaving the caps in the sab for 48 hours for spores to drop, then another 24 hours for the prints to dry.
Unless you turn the air off in the house for those days and open doors to the work room  very slowly entering and exiting,
how would placing something over the armholes hurt the process, realistically, no ones going to keep their a/c off for days to take prints.

If you put something over the armholes its sealed and you can actually use your a/c, and not leave your air off for days in winter. I would rather use my a/c AND take prints, I use the 66qt lid, op uses cling wrap, works fine.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: filthyknees]
    #23848808 - 11/19/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Exactly.

Also, I think all of us were each talking about different things, hence the confusion.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23848822 - 11/19/16 02:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

As long as it aint hurting anything do what ever helps you sleep at night seal it up, dont who cares.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23848852 - 11/19/16 02:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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All right free speech, allow me to speak freely
That's actually not what I'm talking about.  Who said anything about a glove box?
Don't jump into an argument and make a fool out of yourself when you don't even know what we are talking about.
I think I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing.




You're right, I didn't read what this thread was actually about. I seal off my SAB with a tyvek sheet and tape when I'm keeping it closed.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: freespeech]
    #23849437 - 11/19/16 05:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're right, I didn't read what this thread was actually about. I seal off my SAB with a tyvek sheet and tape when I'm keeping it closed.





BUT WHY??


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Inocuole]
    #23849461 - 11/19/16 06:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're right, I didn't read what this thread was actually about. I seal off my SAB with a tyvek sheet and tape when I'm keeping it closed.





BUT WHY??



Thats what I dont get, not saying its wrong just dont see the benefit


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23849478 - 11/19/16 06:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

One big rectangular hole for both hands


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23849875 - 11/19/16 08:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My SAB has two round coffee can sized armholes. Pretty much the only time I close it off with tyvek is after pouring petris. I don't know if it helps with contamination but it makes me feel better and my contamination rate is low. I realize this is also a little different than the use case OP presented (incubation vs. letting poured but unsealed petris sit after pouring) but I already dug myself into a hole by commenting inappropriately in this thread, so there you go, that's :2cents:

So after actually reading the thread it looks like I do basically the same thing as the dude who called me out, for the same reason of "it makes me feel better." :rofl:


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23850044 - 11/19/16 10:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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One big rectangular hole for both hands



I just made a LARGE SAB and I was thinking or just cutting out the whole rectangle of plastic where I had planned on making two six inch holes...

How large of a rectangle are you taking about?

If I were to do it it would be about a 2'x7" hole. Seemed like that would be too big thus making the air not so still in the box...

What do you think?

And yeah for storing plates or what not I guess covering the holes in the sab would lower dust and sporeload but I don't think it would make much of a difference when your wiping evey plate anyway.

Does sound like a great way to keep prints cleaner.:thinker: Could be just what I was looking for to make some prints that have more mushroom spores than mold spores...


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23854220 - 11/21/16 12:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I store mine on guitar cases





Those don't look too good bro... but if it would help you out...I could give you like $5 for 'em...


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: bodhisatta]
    #23854233 - 11/21/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There's nothing wrong with covering your arm holes, and if there is I'd love to hear a reason that makes sense.  I can think of more reasons to cover the holes than not to.  Unless, I mean you are completely going out of your way to do it.



More air movement than if you had not. I think it's more detrimental than effective it you're trying to use it as a SAB




To help clarify the discussion... which is more of a threat:

Contams already present inside a SAB
or
Contams that get pushed into a clean SAB from the outside?

Trying to keep thing clean/sanitized when you're a bit OCD is...challenging at times. :crazy2:


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23854258 - 11/21/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There's nothing wrong with covering your arm holes, and if there is I'd love to hear a reason that makes sense.  I can think of more reasons to cover the holes than not to.  Unless, I mean you are completely going out of your way to do it.



More air movement than if you had not. I think it's more detrimental than effective it you're trying to use it as a SAB





To help clarify the discussion... which is more of a threat:

Contams already present inside a SAB
or
Contams that get pushed into a clean SAB from the outside?

Trying to keep thing clean/sanitized when you're a bit OCD is...challenging at times. :crazy2:




It's a "still air box" not a sanitary air box. Trying to keep it clean is frivolous and is a result of not understanding of how it works. The wet walls trap contaminates.

A SAB does not work by means of being sanitary. It works by trapping contaminates out of the air.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: mrmazdarx9] * 1
    #23854261 - 11/21/16 01:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You're right, I didn't read what this thread was actually about. I seal off my SAB with a tyvek sheet and tape when I'm keeping it closed.





BUT WHY??



Thats what I dont get, not saying its wrong just dont see the benefit




Because I have 3 dogs, and I like to keep the back door open for fresh air.
So in my mind, anything done to ensure a small area stays clean is a benefit.

I sort of picture it as 'zone' or rings around my work area.

My work area/SAB/Flow hood is let's say, 99% clean.
The area around my work area is say, 80% clean
The room next to my work area is maybe 60% clean.

So anything that reduces the chance of contams helps me sleep better at night. I probably go through 16 ounces of 70% iso when I do clean work....between cleaning counter tops, petrie sleeves, tools, my arms etc...


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23854274 - 11/21/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There's nothing wrong with covering your arm holes, and if there is I'd love to hear a reason that makes sense.  I can think of more reasons to cover the holes than not to.  Unless, I mean you are completely going out of your way to do it.



More air movement than if you had not. I think it's more detrimental than effective it you're trying to use it as a SAB





To help clarify the discussion... which is more of a threat:

Contams already present inside a SAB
or
Contams that get pushed into a clean SAB from the outside?

Trying to keep thing clean/sanitized when you're a bit OCD is...challenging at times. :crazy2:




It's a "still air box" not a sanitary air box. Trying to keep it clean is frivolous and is a result of not understanding of how it works. The wet walls trap contaminates.




Understood...but sometimes we get too hung up on the terms here...it's more about risk reduction for me... Care to take a shot at the question I posed? .


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    #23854305 - 11/21/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I fail to see the relevance. The only ones that matter are the ones that make it on to your plates and nobody will ever know where they originated from. If a plate contaminates it's not gonna hold up a sign that says "I came from outside your sab!"

The only advice I have for you is to follow the basic SAB tek and use smooth motions when working. And maybe cut back on the ISO before you blow your place up :lol:


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    #23854438 - 11/21/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I fail to see the relevance. The only ones that matter are the ones that make it on to your plates and nobody will ever know where they originated from. If a plate contaminates it's not gonna hold up a sign that says "I came from outside your sab!"

The only advice I have for you is to follow the basic SAB tek and use smooth motions when working. And maybe cut back on the ISO before you blow your place up :lol:




I think the origin of the contams is very relevant to the discussion.

(I posted a thread years ago about a fire in my glovebox as a warning to others. I've since learned to embrace bleach and clorox wipes now when needed- and no flames inside the SAB. It seems a lot of folks are now changing to soapy water in the SAB, so I'm looking into that as well. But it seems like it would make everything extremely slippery...)


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    #23854450 - 11/21/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I store mine on guitar cases





Those don't look too good bro... but if it would help you out...I could give you like $5 for 'em...



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    #23855040 - 11/21/16 05:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I fail to see the relevance. The only ones that matter are the ones that make it on to your plates and nobody will ever know where they originated from. If a plate contaminates it's not gonna hold up a sign that says "I came from outside your sab!"

The only advice I have for you is to follow the basic SAB tek and use smooth motions when working. And maybe cut back on the ISO before you blow your place up :lol:




I think the origin of the contams is very relevant to the discussion.

(I posted a thread years ago about a fire in my glovebox as a warning to others. I've since learned to embrace bleach and clorox wipes now when needed- and no flames inside the SAB. It seems a lot of folks are now changing to soapy water in the SAB, so I'm looking into that as well. But it seems like it would make everything extremely slippery...)



you don't understand how a still air box works, at all.

please, read this

Basic Principals of the SGFC

I don't know how many times I have to say it, but its a still air box not a sanitary air box. bleach and clorox are a waste.

I'm hiding your thread and won't be revisiting this because it seems my posts go in one of your ears and out the other. :goodluck: :cheers:


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    #23855048 - 11/21/16 05:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Lol have started going to soap and water.. that shit's been around for years actually. Bleach/iso/Clorox/Lysol/sanitizers are completely useless. I haven't used any of them for a good year+ now.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Mad Season]
    #23855092 - 11/21/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've only ever used soap and water.  works great!


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23855150 - 11/21/16 06:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol have started going to soap and water.. that shit's been around for years actually. Bleach/iso/Clorox/Lysol/sanitizers are completely useless. I haven't used any of them for a good year+ now.



:whathesaid:

Was just about to try out my new sab and wondering if you guys thought the single rectangular hole would be good enough>

sounds a lot more convenient:
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One big rectangular hole for both hands



I just made a LARGE SAB and I was thinking or just cutting out the whole rectangle of plastic where I had planned on making two six inch holes...

How large of a rectangle are you taking about?

If I were to do it it would be about a 2'x7" hole. Seemed like that would be too big thus making the air not so still in the box...

What do you think?

And yeah for storing plates or what not I guess covering the holes in the sab would lower dust and sporeload but I don't think it would make much of a difference when your wiping evey plate anyway.

Does sound like a great way to keep prints cleaner.:thinker: Could be just what I was looking for to make some prints that have more mushroom spores than mold spores...




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    #23855158 - 11/21/16 06:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23857575 - 11/22/16 02:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Spore Ninja said:
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Munchauzen said:
I fail to see the relevance. The only ones that matter are the ones that make it on to your plates and nobody will ever know where they originated from. If a plate contaminates it's not gonna hold up a sign that says "I came from outside your sab!"

The only advice I have for you is to follow the basic SAB tek and use smooth motions when working. And maybe cut back on the ISO before you blow your place up :lol:




I think the origin of the contams is very relevant to the discussion.

(I posted a thread years ago about a fire in my glovebox as a warning to others. I've since learned to embrace bleach and clorox wipes now when needed- and no flames inside the SAB. It seems a lot of folks are now changing to soapy water in the SAB, so I'm looking into that as well. But it seems like it would make everything extremely slippery...)



you don't understand how a still air box works, at all.

please, read this

Basic Principals of the SGFC

I don't know how many times I have to say it, but its a still air box not a sanitary air box. bleach and clorox are a waste.

I'm hiding your thread and won't be revisiting this because it seems my posts go in one of your ears and out the other. :goodluck: :cheers:




With all due respect- what am I supposed to gain from a 7 page thread on shotgun fruiting chambers?? I thought we were talking about SAB's??

You use alcohol soaked paper towels (AFAIK)in your SAB videos...so why would it be different if I'm using alcohol?
I'm afraid your answers aren't very clear. But thanks for trying.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Mad Season]
    #23857627 - 11/22/16 02:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Lol have started going to soap and water.. that shit's been around for years actually. Bleach/iso/Clorox/Lysol/sanitizers are completely useless. I haven't used any of them for a good year+ now.




I tend to be resistant to change, but if I see a better / simpler technique, I'm open to it.

In your prep video here https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21889950/fpart/1/vc/1
I have a few questions:
What did you spray into the air before your flipped the box over?
Did you wipe down the small tubs with alcohol or any other cleaners/sanitizers - or were they straight out of the PC??

(not sure about taping my sleeves though - and half the people I see are working without gloves.)


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23857633 - 11/22/16 02:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I've only ever used soap and water.  works great!




Are you wiping or cleaning your plates/jars/minirounds etc with anything?


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Kenetic]
    #23857644 - 11/22/16 03:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I like mine






Simple and efficient. :thumbup:

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I like mine.






Slick set up! :shocked:  Any lighting from the top?


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23857758 - 11/22/16 03:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:
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Spore Ninja said:
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Munchauzen said:
I fail to see the relevance. The only ones that matter are the ones that make it on to your plates and nobody will ever know where they originated from. If a plate contaminates it's not gonna hold up a sign that says "I came from outside your sab!"

The only advice I have for you is to follow the basic SAB tek and use smooth motions when working. And maybe cut back on the ISO before you blow your place up :lol:




I think the origin of the contams is very relevant to the discussion.

(I posted a thread years ago about a fire in my glovebox as a warning to others. I've since learned to embrace bleach and clorox wipes now when needed- and no flames inside the SAB. It seems a lot of folks are now changing to soapy water in the SAB, so I'm looking into that as well. But it seems like it would make everything extremely slippery...)



you don't understand how a still air box works, at all.

please, read this

Basic Principals of the SGFC

I don't know how many times I have to say it, but its a still air box not a sanitary air box. bleach and clorox are a waste.

I'm hiding your thread and won't be revisiting this because it seems my posts go in one of your ears and out the other. :goodluck: :cheers:




With all due respect- what am I supposed to gain from a 7 page thread on shotgun fruiting chambers?? I thought we were talking about SAB's??

You use alcohol soaked paper towels (AFAIK)in your SAB videos...so why would it be different if I'm using alcohol?
I'm afraid your answers aren't very clear. But thanks for trying.




first sentence there says "this is a part of my series The basics
click "the basics"
see 4th link named SAB.
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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: spacechildo]
    #23857874 - 11/22/16 04:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Damn spore ninja nice quadruple post lol.  I wipe down everything I put in my sab with iso, but that has nothing to do with how I prepare my sab.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: spacechildo]
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spacechildo said:
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Spore Ninja said:
Quote:

Munchauzen said:
Quote:

Spore Ninja said:


I think the origin of the contams is very relevant to the discussion.

(I posted a thread years ago about a fire in my glovebox as a warning to others. I've since learned to embrace bleach and clorox wipes now when needed- and no flames inside the SAB. It seems a lot of folks are now changing to soapy water in the SAB, so I'm looking into that as well. But it seems like it would make everything extremely slippery...)



you don't understand how a still air box works, at all.

please, read this

Basic Principals of the SGFC

I don't know how many times I have to say it, but its a still air box not a sanitary air box. bleach and clorox are a waste.

I'm hiding your thread and won't be revisiting this because it seems my posts go in one of your ears and out the other. :goodluck: :cheers:




With all due respect- what am I supposed to gain from a 7 page thread on shotgun fruiting chambers?? I thought we were talking about SAB's??

You use alcohol soaked paper towels (AFAIK)in your SAB videos...so why would it be different if I'm using alcohol?
I'm afraid your answers aren't very clear. But thanks for trying.




first sentence there says "this is a part of my series The basics
click "the basics"
see 4th link named SAB.
????
success!

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/20048771#20048771





OK I see what you're saying. The link saying "Basic Principals of the SGFC" is what threw me.
It's also damn confusing when everyone links to uncredited videos in their sig lines. I thought I was watching Mad Season's videos when I was reading his thread- that's why I directed those questions at him.
So is it Spitball's videos in Mad's thread?

Because it did answer a few questions.
He used covers over his arm holes ( that's where I got the idea from see my 2nd post in the thread)

You sterilize the inside of the box, and everything that goes in (AFAIK), then spray soapy water on the walls to trap contams that come in from the outside.
But it seems some people are using alcohol inside the SAB and some aren't.
My only other real question: is everyone wiping down bowl/plates/etc before they put them in teh box? assu

Anything I'm missing or wrong about?


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Spore Ninja]
    #23858086 - 11/22/16 05:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You sterilize the inside of the box, and everything that goes in (AFAIK), then spray soapy water on the walls to trap contams that come in from the outside.
But it seems some people are using alcohol inside the SAB and some aren't.
My only other real question: is everyone wiping down bowl/plates/etc before they put them in teh box? assu

Anything I'm missing or wrong about?




you dont sterilize the box you spray soapy water to trap contams to the walls.
read the link I posted and you just quoted:

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This is part of my series "The Basics"

The most important thing about a SAB is still air. If the air is still, then it can't blow contaminants in to your work.

A SAB does not need to be sterile, just clean and still.




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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: spacechildo]
    #23858092 - 11/22/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

oh and yes, master jars gets wiped with ISO in the SAB. those have been sitting out in the open for weeks and got contam spores on them.
between the jar lip/rim and lid is most important to clean.

anything coming right from the PC is sterile enough, you wont get them any more sanitized by wiping with ISO.

laying down iso soaked towels is to get the floor of the sab wet too. I use a moistened towel tho.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: spacechildo]
    #23860718 - 11/23/16 01:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you dont sterilize the box you spray soapy water to trap contams to the walls.
read the link I posted and you just quoted







From that link:
Quote:

Then, I clean the walls of the SAB with 70% IPA...


That sounds like sanitizing to me. Are we just differing over sanitize VS. sterilize?

That's what was confusing about munchausen's posts- he'd say one thing, and then link to something that said the opposite...:tongue:


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: Munchauzen]
    #23860747 - 11/23/16 01:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Munchauzen said:
Quote:

Spore Ninja said:
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Munchauzen said:
I fail to see the relevance. The only ones that matter are the ones that make it on to your plates and nobody will ever know where they originated from. If a plate contaminates it's not gonna hold up a sign that says "I came from outside your sab!"

The only advice I have for you is to follow the basic SAB tek and use smooth motions when working. And maybe cut back on the ISO before you blow your place up :lol:




I think the origin of the contams is very relevant to the discussion.

(I posted a thread years ago about a fire in my glovebox as a warning to others. I've since learned to embrace bleach and clorox wipes now when needed- and no flames inside the SAB. It seems a lot of folks are now changing to soapy water in the SAB, so I'm looking into that as well. But it seems like it would make everything extremely slippery...)



you don't understand how a still air box works, at all.

please, read this

Basic Principals of the SGFC

I don't know how many times I have to say it, but its a still air box not a sanitary air box. bleach and clorox are a waste.

I'm hiding your thread and won't be revisiting this because it seems my posts go in one of your ears and out the other. :goodluck: :cheers:




It's a sanitary, still air box.
The box is sanitary, not the air. That's according to the thread you posted. Not sure what your issue was. Too bad you left in a huff.


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Re: Just used Press'N Seal to seal the arm holes in my SAB [Re: spacechildo]
    #23860790 - 11/23/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the box does not need to be sanitary you dont need to use ISO/IPA like we all in this thread have been telling you, use soapy water.

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This is part of my series "The Basics"

The most important thing about a SAB is still air. If the air is still, then it can't blow contaminants in to your work.





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