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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23845352 - 11/18/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Okay, so what if we go in the direction of gene splicing. haha. We could start splicing fetuses with reptile genes so we can grow back amputated appendage or severed limb. We could splice amphibian or insect genes so the cryo process would work. But if we could in this direction, I forsee humanity and the world itself getting reaaaally weird.


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23845362 - 11/18/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You should watch the movie splice.

I think there are somethings we just aren't meant to meddle in.


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23845363 - 11/18/16 02:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I read about a face transplant recently, the person died eventually but they successfully transplanted a new face onto them and it took :eek:

Pretty crazy how far technology has come already.
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Okay, so what if we go in the direction of gene splicing. haha. We could start splicing fetuses with reptile genes so we can grow back amputated appendage or severed limb. We could splice amphibian or insect genes so the cryo process would work. But if we could in this direction, I forsee humanity and the world itself getting reaaaally weird.




I have heard interesting theories about genetically modified humans being one of the best feasible methods for long distance space travel.

That way we could send self sustaining colony ships of clones able to self reproduce and modify themselves/ future generations as necessary to adapt.
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You are right that it would end up very weird though :lol:


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23845462 - 11/18/16 02:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

But. . . If she dies from cancer, what good would a cure do?


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: musiclover420]
    #23845554 - 11/18/16 03:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

RIP that kid


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: PartoftheSource]
    #23845974 - 11/18/16 05:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Dr. Otto Warburg won the nobel prize for discovering the cure for cancer...


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23846267 - 11/18/16 06:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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oh wow am I dumb, I totally glossed over the fact that a frozen person would still age :rofldrunk:




Dont fret, cryo freezing in sci fi movies always was about "suspending" life so u dont age as u travel thru space and whatnot.

Sadly, it doesnt quite work like that in real life...

At least not yet :mindblown:


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: koods]
    #23846797 - 11/18/16 09:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yeah it's completely stupid. If you freeze someone, when you defrost them their tissues are total goo because the ice crystals have burst all their cells.




With cryogenic freezing they supposedly freeze you at a very slow rate, so that your cells don't get damaged.


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Crystal G]
    #23846824 - 11/18/16 09:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It'd be a pretty hilarious oversight/lie. People go to unfreeze loved ones and have a pile of meat goo. Owner just standing there shrugging at you


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Psilosopherr]
    #23846854 - 11/18/16 09:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:lol: meat goo

I have heard that they are supposed to prevent freezer burn to cells but I just can't believe there wouldn't be significant deterioration. Especially when the person died of something like cancer beforehand.

I actually can't think of any natural death that wouldn't impose the risk of brain damage prior to freezing. Unless the brain is shut down via freezing.

When all your neurons stop firing you are dead. Again we have not ever been able to undo this. If nothing else I'd think any technique we find to restart the brain could very likely cause damage itself. The techniques we have to restart the heart pose risks and it's not nearly as complex as the brain.


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23846897 - 11/18/16 09:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There could be other methods of suspending the aging and decomposition processes, without freezing.

Personally I don't think anything resembling immortality in this universe would be desirable, I wouldn't mind living with a mid 30s body up to like 150 though.


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23846913 - 11/18/16 10:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I haven't looked into this too much but it seems like it's impossible to really know whether current methods will freeze a person "properly" such that it will someday be possible to revive them, until or unless someone frozen by this technique really is revived. They might already be irretrievably dead beyond the limits of any possible future tech.

Also, if you pay x amount of money to someone today to freeze you, how likely is it that multiple generations of people (e.g over the "200 years" mentioned in the article) will bother to expend resources to keep you frozen, let alone revive you? The money you paid is long gone by then.


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Repertoire89]
    #23846921 - 11/18/16 10:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah i think even if she was unfrozen she would be completely braindamaged

these people want to do something to themselves they can't even do with animals


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Konyap]
    #23846925 - 11/18/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

But she's dead when they freeze her, right?

What am I missing?


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: psi]
    #23846926 - 11/18/16 10:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:thatsinteresting: that's a good point too.


They'd probably revive someone like Walt tho


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: ThatKidWithTheFace]
    #23846930 - 11/18/16 10:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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But she's dead when they freeze her, right?

What am I missing?




Well when someone's heart stops they are dead. I'm assuming these people think there will be a way to restart the brain the way we do with a person's heart. One day.


Seems right unlikely to me tho.


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #23846955 - 11/18/16 10:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I just started watching Idiocracy and thought of this thread :lol:


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: CookieCrumbs] * 1
    #23846970 - 11/18/16 10:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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But she's dead when they freeze her, right?

What am I missing?




Well when someone's heart stops they are dead. I'm assuming these people think there will be a way to restart the brain the way we do with a person's heart. One day.


Seems right unlikely to me tho.




Yes, that's the theory behind it. When Walt disney cryogenically froze himself, he only had his head frozen based on that theory.

Nowadays we are on the verge of developing artificial beating hearts, so if they find a way to restart the brain and attach the heart and organs mechanically, it could theoretically work.

It's like the talking heads from Futurama.



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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Crystal G]
    #23847608 - 11/19/16 07:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

http://www.extension.umn.edu/food/food-safety/preserving/freezing/the-science-of-freezing-foods/

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When the water freezes, it expands and the ice crystals cause the cell walls to rupture. Consequently, the texture of the produce, when thawed, will be much softer than it was when raw.




I just wanna meet the guy who convinced the family to go ahead with it, and how much money they'll make. I could even justify it as: "She's dead, I'm just an alternative funeral director."


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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #23847622 - 11/19/16 07:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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http://www.extension.umn.edu/food/food-safety/preserving/freezing/the-science-of-freezing-foods/

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When the water freezes, it expands and the ice crystals cause the cell walls to rupture. Consequently, the texture of the produce, when thawed, will be much softer than it was when raw.







As I said earlier, supposedly they freeze the body at a much slower rate so the cells don't get damaged in the process. Intracellular rupture can be avoided if you freeze slowly, since it gives enough time for water to periodically leave the cell during freezing.

I'm pretty certain this method works in cell preservation though, considering the same slow-freezing method has been used in the first frozen human embryo birth.

But you're right, a lot of this is just a huge money-making scheme. Who even knows whether they really do any of the shit they're claiming to do, the whole thing could be a huge scam for all we know. It's not like anybody will be checking up to see if any of the bodies they put in there are still frozen and in good condition 50 to 100 years from now. And what happens in the event of a power outage I wonder?

Seems much more likely that we will end up having a World War 3 crisis and all these cryogenic facilities end up getting blown up to bits, before we ever find a way to revive people from the dead.


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