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14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure 1
#23845000 - 11/18/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/dying-uk-girl-convinces-judge-let-her-body-000223414.html
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LONDON (AP) -- The teenage girl's instructions were direct: She didn't want to be buried, but to be frozen — with the hope she can continue her life in the future when cancer is cured.
"I want to live and live longer and I think that in the future they may find a cure for my cancer and wake me up," the 14-year-old wrote to a British judge before her recent death.
She said "being cryopreserved gives me a chance to be cured and woken up — even in hundreds of years' time."
Her plaintive words convinced High Court Judge Peter Jackson to grant her final wishes in what he called the first case of its kind in England — and possibly the world.
The judge said the girl had chosen the most basic preservation option at a cost of about 37,000 pounds ($46,000).
The girl's divorced parents disagreed about the procedure, with the mother favoring it and the father initially saying no, though he softened his stance as his daughter's death neared.
The girl, who along with her parents can't be named for legal reasons, asked the court to designate that only her mother could dispose of her remains so that she could be cryogenically preserved, an unproven technique that some people believe may allow frozen bodies to be brought back to life in the future.
The girl's lawyer, Zoe Fleetwood, told The Associated Press that her client learned of the favorable ruling on Oct. 6, just 11 days before she died.
"It brought her great comfort," Fleetwood said. "She saw this as a chance to be brought back at some stage in the future, but she knew it was speculative."
The lawyer said the girl was so pleased she wanted to meet the judge who had made the decision.
"She met him the next day, the 7th of October, and she referred to him as Mr. Hero Peter Jackson."
The cryopreservation concept is regarded with skepticism by many in the medical community because it has not yet been proven to be effective.
Barry Fuller, a specialist in low-temperature medicine at University College London, said the technology of preserving cells at ultra-low temperatures is promising, but cannot yet be applied to large structures like a human kidney.
"At the moment we have no objective evidence that a whole human body can survive cryopreservation with cells which will function after re-arming," he said, referring to the process of re-activating cells in the future.
He said there is ongoing research with the immediate hope that scientists could use the technology to preserve human organs for transplantation. He said that would be "a major first step into proving the concept."
Garret Smyth, a Briton who signed up for the cryopreservation procedure 30 years ago, said he thinks researchers will eventually find a way to keep cells from dying — but probably not during his lifetime.
"It is some peace of mind, but there would be more peace of mind if I was absolutely certain it was going to work," Smyth, 55, said.
The judge called the girl's case that began in the Family Division of the court unprecedented.
"It is no surprise that this application is the only one of its kind to have come before the courts in this country — and probably anywhere else," Jackson said, calling the case "an example of the new questions that science poses to the law."
The judge made the ruling in October, and imposed restrictions on any media coverage while the girl was still alive out of respect for her stated desire for privacy.
Jackson's decision cleared the way for her remains to be taken to a specialist facility in the U.S. for the start of the preservation process. Lawyers say that has been done, but details have been kept private.
The girl and her father were estranged and the father at first opposed the treatment. He said that even if it was successful and his daughter was brought back to life in 200 years, she would probably not find any relatives, might not remember things and would find herself in a different country, the United States.
"She may be left in a desperate situation," he said, pointing out that she would still be only 14.
His view changed, however, and he later told the judge he respected the dying girl's decision: "This is the last and only thing she has asked from me," he said.
The girl was too ill to attend court proceedings, but Jackson visited her in a hospital. He said he was impressed by the "valiant way" she dealt with her impending death from a rare form of cancer. He said she spent her final months researching cryonics on the internet.
The judge said there was no doubt about the girl's mental capacity to launch a lawsuit despite her advanced illness. He called her a "bright, intelligent young person."
Jackson said his decision was based on resolving the dispute between the parents and did not represent a finding on the validity of cryogenic preservation as a way to come back to life in the future.
He seemed focused on the girl's expressed desire, even though she was too young to write a legally binding will.
"I don't want to be buried underground," she wrote at the end of her note. "I want to have this chance. This is my wish."

I am amazed this is happening already... What are your thoughts?
I wish her the best, hopefully she makes it until she can be cured and gets to enjoy a full happy life sometime in the future.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: musiclover420]
#23845011 - 11/18/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wonder if we'll see San Junipero-style system before we find a traditional cure. If that doesn't make sense, watch a show called Black Mirror, third season episode called San Junipero.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: musiclover420]
#23845015 - 11/18/16 11:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This has been happening for a long time. Walt Disney requested to be cryogenically frozen upon his death.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: musiclover420]
#23845027 - 11/18/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The thing I don't like about cryogenics is... Well curing cancer is one thing. Death is another.
I don't think we will ever really be able to cure death, and I don't think we should.
And then like even if its possible (spirituality speaking) is the girl's soul frozen with her body? How would this work from a 'soul' perspective? if the soul is not there then a person would be like a robot or even a vegetable upon revival? If the soul is trapped there... Well that sounds like literal hell...
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23845037 - 11/18/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've had drug induced separation from soul for months, don't know how similar it would be but it came back to me when it was over.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: abltsandwich]
#23845038 - 11/18/16 11:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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abltsandwich said: I wonder if we'll see San Junipero-style system before we find a traditional cure. If that doesn't make sense, watch a show called Black Mirror, third season episode called San Junipero.
We could already be 
I saw a far out youtube science channel where this guy theorized how we could all be in one giant supercomputer simulation.
It is really hard to sum up but basically once the universe reaches a certain age and civilizations a certain technology it would be more efficient to live in a simulation where time could be slowed down immensely and 1 consciousness could be split into infinite fragments where they could experience infinite lifetimes of experiences as time passes incredibly slowly in the real universe.
This is logical becouse as the universe gets older and nears its end we have less time in theory, so by moving into simulations we could make the most of our time.
It is entirely feasible we are already in such a simulation and have no way of knowing. I believe the video even gets into layered simulations which is part of how we can dilate time to move much much slower.
If anyone is interested I can look for the video or at least share the guys channel, he talks about some mind blowing theories
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: musiclover420]
#23845052 - 11/18/16 11:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Sounds like my kind of video series.
I'd never considered the possibility of extending life experience with VR... I wonder if its really possible to slow time/fit more activity in less time by..what, speeding up virtual time? Hard to wrap my head around but it sounds plausible.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Psilosopherr] 1
#23845057 - 11/18/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What does a cancer flavored Popsicle taste like?
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23845061 - 11/18/16 11:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: I've had drug induced separation from soul for months, don't know how similar it would be but it came back to me when it was over.
You weren't actually dead tho. Your soul was still teathered to your still living body, like astral projection (I'd think.) but once the body is actually dead the soul prepares to leave the body and does within a few hours.
But freezing does leave the body viable for a lot longer. Though then if this theory works out one way or another does the body not eventually die under such conditions? Specifically the brain. As far as science has ever learned when you halt the brains neurotransmissions (and this is when the soul leaves the body, or shortly after) it dies. We have never "restarted" a brain before. And I think it is what links the soul to the body.
...am I drifting out too far into space?
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23845131 - 11/18/16 12:20 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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rbalzer said: Sounds like my kind of video series.
I'd never considered the possibility of extending life experience with VR... I wonder if its really possible to slow time/fit more activity in less time by..what, speeding up virtual time? Hard to wrap my head around but it sounds plausible.
Here is the channel that video is from: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCZFipeZtQM5CKUjx6grh54g/videos
I have only watched a few of his talks but they are truly mind blowing!
I think the video I was referring too was the Technological Singularity one possibly but I forget as he has a ton of crazy videos up 
Actually I think it was this one:
Civilizations at the End of Time: Black Hole Farming
I forget how he explained the time dilation but it is really fascinating and seemed completely feasible to me.
I want to say it was something to do with being inside a layered simulation where the data you are processing has been sped up until 1 minute or even second can feel like 1 day.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: musiclover420]
#23845159 - 11/18/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So it cost $46,000 to keep her body frozen for a hundred years? Also, I'm a little confused on the whole "cure" subject...
She expects in a hundred years we'll have the cure to whatever disease she had AND the cure to death? How can you be "woken up" after you've already died?
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: PartoftheSource] 1
#23845166 - 11/18/16 12:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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oh wow am I dumb, I totally glossed over the fact that a frozen person would still age
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: Psilosopherr]
#23845178 - 11/18/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You would age much slower tho right?
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: The Mycologist]
#23845224 - 11/18/16 01:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You wouldn't "age." Aging is a biological process and a frozen person doesn't have any biological activity. Technically you would just decompose slowly
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: koods] 1
#23845261 - 11/18/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah so like... I dunno the girl was 14 and it's understandable that she would not understand this, that dead is dead, but plenty of grown people do it. I dunno, if we did do it we'd be reanimating a corpse that probably has substantial brain damage. A real zombie.
It's a waste of resources. Human beings, after thousands of years, still can't come to terms with the fact that we are mortal. I mean those parents may have hope but surely they realize that their daughter died and they're never going to see her again in this life time.
What would be the point in coming back? Everything you knew and loved would be dead...
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23845263 - 11/18/16 01:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah it's completely stupid. If you freeze someone, when you defrost them their tissues are total goo because the ice crystals have burst all their cells.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23845268 - 11/18/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It is a waste of resources possibly but considering everything else we waste them on I don't think its much of a drop in the bucket 
You are right that they will probably be braindead/ zombies if they can come back at all but I still find it fascinating.
Maybe one day we will find a method of safely "freezing and thawing out" people though I wouldn't be surprised if it is some advanced hibernation of sorts.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: musiclover420]
#23845286 - 11/18/16 01:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Because of the damage to the body from the freezing, the only sensible next step would be to somehow transfer human-consciousness into a biomechnical body type. Human memory, instinct, possibly emotions... all the information coded into our DNA.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: PartoftheSource]
#23845289 - 11/18/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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PartoftheSource said: Because of the damage to the body from the freezing, the only sensible next step would be to somehow transfer human-consciousness into a biomechnical body type. Human memory, instinct, possibly emotions... all the information coded into our DNA.
It might be possible to transfer consciousness one day or hook her brain up to some sort of computer system and or virtual reality.
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Re: 14 year old with cancer to by Cryogenically frozen until there is a cure [Re: musiclover420]
#23845321 - 11/18/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: It is a waste of resources possibly but considering everything else we waste them on I don't think its much of a drop in the bucket 
You are right that they will probably be braindead/ zombies if they can come back at all but I still find it fascinating.
Maybe one day we will find a method of safely "freezing and thawing out" people though I wouldn't be surprised if it is some advanced hibernation of sorts.
For sure. There are animals, amphibians and insects, that are capable of freezing over and coming back once they thaw, but unless we tweak human genetics I don't think we'll ever really be able to do it successfully.
We are capable of head transplants. And digital consciousness. Not now obviously but we actually have ground to stand on there. There was a successful animal head transplant not long ago. And we've known for a while that the brain can survive without the body so long as you provide bloodflow and all... Perhaps if not on a human donor then we could make synthetics.
Pretty far off from that, but closer than bringing people back to life than being frozen I think.
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