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Should there be a bigger warning for mis-identification of liberty caps for Galerina?
    #23844966 - 11/18/16 11:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I always heard that Liberty caps were the safest thing to search for, with no toxic/deadly mushrooms looking like it. Recently someone pointed out to me I was wrong.

Gelerina
Widespread in EU, NA, Asia and has been found in AUS:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galerina_marginata

This is how they look:
https://www.google.nl/search?q=galerina+marginata&num=50&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwimlabG8rLQAhXBVhoKHRAUCBkQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=638

Main difference with liberty caps seem to be the color (though LC can be brown as well), and that they don't appear to grow in grass.

Liberty caps:
https://www.google.nl/search?q=liberty+caps&num=50&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjn3I3Q8rLQAhUCChoKHbnnD90Q_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=638#imgrc=0himoeKjUJnHgM%3A

Galerina harm:
'Initial symptoms after ingestion include severe abdominal pain, vomiting, and diarrhea which may last for six to nine hours. Beyond these symptoms, toxins severely affect the liver which results in gastrointestinal bleeding, a coma, kidney failure, or even death, usually within seven days of consumption.'


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Re: Should there be a bigger warning for mis-identification of liberty caps for Galerina? [Re: alwaysbenice]
    #23844982 - 11/18/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you care to study the macroscopic features of both Psilocybe semilanceata and Galerina marginata, you
will notice that they are very different indeed - they don't match on any of the important characteristics.

They are not considered look alikes at all, and although they might occur growing close to each other, although
this doesn't happen very often.


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Re: Should there be a bigger warning for mis-identification of liberty caps for Galerina? [Re: alwaysbenice]
    #23844999 - 11/18/16 11:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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alwaysbenice said:

Gelerina

Main difference with liberty caps seem to be the color (though LC can be brown as well), and that they don't appear to grow in grass.





And they have an annulus, different colored gills, no pellicle, rusty brown spore print, completely different stem texture/consistency, grow much larger, and yes - (at least with Galerina marginata) they only grow on wood.

If they look like liberty caps to you, keep looking at photos and the details.  They really look nothing alike.  :shrug:

Now that being said, there are some small grassland Galerina that do look similar I guess (at least until you pay attention to the details).  But really, if your unsure do some spore prints and you will never mix them up.  Be safe out there.  :thumbup:


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Re: Should there be a bigger warning for mis-identification of liberty caps for Galerina? [Re: alwaysbenice]
    #23845903 - 11/18/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

In the book "psilocybin mushrooms of the world" Stamets notes that the macroscopic features of liberty caps can be quite different specimen to specimen.
Stamets even notes that there is one form of liberty cap he has found that shares some features with the deadly galerinas.
Stamets also reminds the reader that wood loving galerinas can occur in the same habitat as liberty caps. This can happen if the pasture your collecting specimens in was created from other lands.

Taking all that into account I'd still say it's not very likely to mistake the two.
And anyone who would has obviously jumped the gun on his ability to safely harvest anything.
This hypothetical noobie needs to stare at a book for awhile, or reach out to the community.


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Re: Should there be a bigger warning for mis-identification of liberty caps for Galerina? [Re: Tops]
    #23846069 - 11/18/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I see how a person with little experience could confuse the two in rare situations.
But for me they look nothing alike.
We should just keep pushing that idea that you should never eat something without a 100% confirmed identification.


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Re: Should there be a bigger warning for mis-identification of liberty caps for Galerina? [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23846110 - 11/18/16 05:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have never seen a Galerina and thought it a liberty cap, or vice-versa. I suppose my warning would be this -- if you're trying to find something and you're not sure what it looks like, then get some help identifying any possibles that you find, and make sure you read and listen as much as possible and try to learn the differences.


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Re: Should there be a bigger warning for mis-identification of liberty caps for Galerina? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23846187 - 11/18/16 06:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

Anglerfish said:
If you care to study the macroscopic features of both Psilocybe semilanceata and Galerina marginata, you
will notice that they are very different indeed - they don't match on any of the important characteristics.

They are not considered look alikes at all, and although they might occur growing close to each other, although
this doesn't happen very often.




Ive read in books that libs closest lookalike is in fact another psilocybe, the "Forest Conifer Psilocybe". Cant remember the latin name at the moment.

But they have very different habitats.


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