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why did these red blooded Americans turn on their country men? mental illness? too easy, perhaps they are trying to make a point, or a statement, perhaps they felt mistreated, whatever it is im not sure why people kill others.
Let me get this straight before we continue. You are comparing two ideologically unrelated lone wolves to groups of believers with similar core beliefs shouting Allah Akbar as they kill people, is this correct?
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i dont see how you could not?
especially if the question is why being born in the US or UK you still go out and commit acts of terror, i think religion is besides the point, i think these people are sick, they lack a certain love or compassion or human touch to go out and commit such evil acts.
shouting allah akbar our god bless you thats just ideology, and you may be missing the point, that these same muslims are victim to this stereotype/ stigma that is held against them.
for these (few) people Islam is just a banner to unite under and nothing more, the same muslims will tell you that these terrorist are not real muslims.
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Green7Alchemist said: america has a bigger domestic terrorist threat then they do foreign terrorist.
Domestic terrorists in the US and Europe have never killed 3,000 people in one go.
Al Qaeda in Iraq once came within a few moments of dumb luck from carrying out an attack in Jordan that would've killed 80,000 people. That's the scale of the kind of thing they would like to carry out in Europe and America.
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: Lion] 1
#24379804 - 06/05/17 02:18 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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na look it up, most terrorist attacks done on US soil (only one i can speak for) or done by citizens or permanent residence and are isolated incidences with no tie to al queda or isis.
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Green7Alchemist said: na look it up, most terrorist attacks done on US soil (only one i can speak for) or done by citizens or permanent residence and are isolated incidences with no tie to al queda or isis.
That doesn't mean they pose a bigger threat going forward. More people died on September 11 than in all other terror attacks in the US since, and by a huge number. Orlando, done by a domestic terrorist but in support of ISIS, was also the largest non-9/11 attack since Oklahoma City.
The fact is ISIS and Al Qaeda want to carry out attacks in the US, and they want them to be massive in scale. As they've recruited hundreds of fighters from the US and have no problem disseminating their propaganda here, they are a huge threat.
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: Lion] 1
#24381981 - 06/06/17 10:25 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/05/indianapolis-muslims-call-out-creators-local-billboard-insults-prophet-muhammad/370969001/
Billboard outrages Muslims by portraying Mohammed directly as he was from historical records and the Koran.
"This promotes hatred and bigotry!" one Muslim spokesperson whines. Nor sure how facts promote anything.
But here is the real kicker: nowhere on the billboard are the words "Mohammed" "Koran", "Muslim" or "Islam" to be found, yet Muslims recognize who is being described. How can that be if it is not a match?
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The root of the problem is people being able to point to religious dogma as a valid justification for their actions.
And thus terrorism is equally spread among all religions? If not; why not?
At this point in time. Its not.
please name the religion(s) that do not embrace violence
certainly not christianity, they worship an idol of a man that has been nailed to a cross and left to die, a death cult, actively murdering everyday, and 100% responsible for mideast strife from weapons supplies to war funding to ideological attacks(CIA)
not even the buddhists have their shit together, when they self immolate they perpetrate a mental, spiritual violence against all of humanity, if this is not terror, please explain
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True. But the core values of Christianity and Buddism are not to spread the faith by violence.
Can you find it in the Bible? Yes. From Jesus? No. But they have done it anyways. It takes a lot less "theological acrobatics" to justify it in Islam.
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OrgoneConclusion said: http://www.indystar.com/story/news/2017/06/05/indianapolis-muslims-call-out-creators-local-billboard-insults-prophet-muhammad/370969001/
Billboard outrages Muslims by portraying Mohammed directly as he was from historical records and the Koran.
"This promotes hatred and bigotry!" one Muslim spokesperson whines. Nor sure how facts promote anything.
But here is the real kicker: nowhere on the billboard are the words "Mohammed" "Koran", "Muslim" or "Islam" to be found, yet Muslims recognize who is being described. How can that be if it is not a match?
If the shoe fits...
you probably think you're as smart as that billboard, please tell me who the billboard is about if not Mohommed, let me just say I'm not a Muslim so I am not trying to defend them, I'm making points.
its the close minded micro-aggressions (like that billboard) that this topic conjures that ticks me off, all because lack of your altruism, I think they call those people psychopaths.
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SpinScratch said: True. But the core values of Christianity and Buddism are not to spread the faith by violence.
Can you find it in the Bible? Yes. From Jesus? No. But they have done it anyways. It takes a lot less "theological acrobatics" to justify it in Islam.
you do realize that the when Europeans came to America they justified killing MILLIONS of Native American people from the Bible, you do realize they justified slavery from the Bible as well.
whats the reason for such hesitation to these people and their culture?
whatever you decide I can provide a similar tradition in a different culture that you'll probably not have such harsh feelings for.
the only thing I can imagine is that the media has got you in their grips. I know, I know you don't want to hear that.
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OC > billboard 
How could someone match it up if it does not match? I never once thought "Why did these people make a billboard about my father?"
Micro-aggression? Really? How many micro-aggressions equates to a single murder?
Notice Muslim handwringers did not point out which parts were false. Hmmm...
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SpinScratch said: True. But the core values of Christianity and Buddism are not to spread the faith by violence.
Can you find it in the Bible? Yes. From Jesus? No. But they have done it anyways. It takes a lot less "theological acrobatics" to justify it in Islam.
you do realize that the when Europeans came to America they justified killing MILLIONS of Native American people from the Bible, you do realize they justified slavery from the Bible as well.
whats the reason for such hesitation to these people and their culture?
whatever you decide I can provide a similar tradition in a different culture that you'll probably not have such harsh feelings for.
the only thing I can imagine is that the media has got you in their grips. I know, I know you don't want to hear that.
You quoted me saying "they have done it"... and then you argue with me that they did it. You're not even reading what you are arguing against
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: czech]
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czech said: Jesus didnt fuck no kids
technically this is true considering jesus never existed
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SpinScratch said: True. But the core values of Christianity and Buddism are not to spread the faith by violence.
Can you find it in the Bible? Yes. From Jesus? No. But they have done it anyways. It takes a lot less "theological acrobatics" to justify it in Islam.
the "core values" of any religion are those displayed by its followers
all of them are murderers and hypocrites
even the most innocent of them is guilty by association
love of religion, love of god, love precedes murder
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SpinScratch said: True. But the core values of Christianity and Buddism are not to spread the faith by violence.
Can you find it in the Bible? Yes. From Jesus? No. But they have done it anyways. It takes a lot less "theological acrobatics" to justify it in Islam.
Dude, you don't even know what the difference between Islam and Christianity is. You also don't know fuck all about Buddhists either.
As an American, I worry a lot less about Muslim terrorists than I do about my paranoid, dickhead countrymen wandering around with guns.
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OrgoneConclusion said: OC > billboard 
How could someone match it up if it does not match? I never once thought "Why did these people make a billboard about my father?"
Micro-aggression? Really? How many micro-aggressions equates to a single murder?
Notice Muslim handwringers did not point out which parts were false. Hmmm... 
dude i think your not understanding me, i am not trying to defend muslims i am not muslim, although i love Arabian literature, Khalil Gibran, Omar Kayam, some of the greats imo. both of these dudes who share Islamic views.
im not trying to point out whats false or not that does not concern me what some prophet did hundreds of years ago in a distant country (key points), what concerns me is the people who do not understand that these people (muslims) are just part of a religion, a religion like any other, so why the stigma towards them?
"oh they kill people", well not all of them and i think America has killed more muslims since 2001, then muslims have killed Europeans or Americans, do you want me to blame them for wanting to fight back, no.
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Beware, OC is God and a psychopath.
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SpinScratch said: True. But the core values of Christianity and Buddism are not to spread the faith by violence.
Can you find it in the Bible? Yes. From Jesus? No. But they have done it anyways. It takes a lot less "theological acrobatics" to justify it in Islam.
Dude, you don't even know what the difference between Islam and Christianity is. You also don't know fuck all about Buddhists either. /quote]
wow - solid counter arguments
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