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Re: Islamophobia [Re: phio]
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redgreenvines
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: phio] 1
#23850550 - 11/20/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the koran could be called a bad book since it is so widespread and the functional meaning is so obscure that many think there is actually a directive to go out and commit acts of violence.
"death to infidels" means kill your own personal bad ideas which are preventing you from being more holy.
the interpretation had become twisted and debased, it is taken out of context.
- I like Phio's informed approach to the matter - especially with regard to uneducated people being subject to propaganda, and this cuts a wide swath across the U.S.A.
In America where cuts to education have been deep over the last 40 years we see the rise of an underclass of functional idiots, all ripe for propaganda, and now we have the "democratic" political apparatus mobilizing (against the popular vote) to channel the underclass in ways that are really embarrassing.
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napoleon - atheist stalin - atheist mao - atheist mussolini - atheist kim jong il - atheist
...but religion is the root of all evil in the modern world :roll eyes emoji - pupils slam through face and destroy ur keyboard:
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In America where cuts to education have been deep over the last 40 years we see the rise of an underclass of functional idiots, all ripe for propaganda, and now we have the "democratic" political apparatus mobilizing (against the popular vote) to channel the underclass in ways that are really embarrassing.
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OrgoneConclusion said: Rape is up 4,000% in Sweden in the last decade due to predominantly Muslim refugees with similar stats in other European countries with a large influx of refugees. They bring with them a certain viewpoint of non-Muslim women that makes them fair game.
If you had read anything about this you would know that is complete bullshit. The main reason the statistics has gone up is changes in how we define "rape" in Sweden, and how cases are handled. This differs a lot from the rest of the world... The increase in rapes happens at the same time the laws were changed There's shit loads of other reasons as well.
Stop spreading lies and bullshit about stuff you didn't even research one bit.
Now go do your homework. Even wiki has information about this... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_Sweden
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i wanted to make this point but wasnt sure how exactly to fit it in
Islamaphobia and the desire to close borders to muslims imo has two main causes
the first imo can be easily argued against and im not going to bother. i will say sure many refugees may be fucked up and who wouldnt be leaving the horrors behind that they do. to show no empathy or assistance to people in their situation is disgusting imo.
the second is a much more real threat to 'western democracy' in so far as a majority muslim population could well elect a muslim government. muslims tend to have large families so over time the demographic threat is a real one. i am not sure what an answer to this problem is, if indeed it is a problem, but perhaps it is related to these other democratic crises
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
#23850645 - 11/20/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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quinn said: napoleon - atheist stalin - atheist mao - atheist mussolini - atheist kim jong il - atheist
...but religion is the root of all evil in the modern world :roll eyes emoji - pupils slam through face and destroy ur keyboard:
Now list the tyrants that had brown eyes.
Or better still, show the correlation between how being unconvinced of a god leads to mass murder and when this urge will take me over.
And also could you point to the tenet of atheism that might make one into a despot.
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn] 2
#23850682 - 11/20/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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quinn said: i wanted to make this point but wasnt sure how exactly to fit it in
Islamaphobia and the desire to close borders to muslims imo has two main causes
the first imo can be easily argued against and im not going to bother. i will say sure many refugees may be fucked up and who wouldnt be leaving the horrors behind that they do. to show no empathy or assistance to people in their situation is disgusting imo.
the second is a much more real threat to 'western democracy' in so far as a majority muslim population could well elect a muslim government. muslims tend to have large families so over time the demographic threat is a real one. i am not sure what an answer to this problem is, if indeed it is a problem, but perhaps it is related to these other democratic crises
It seems like our current strategy to 'help' is to go kill the extremists, accidentally take out a bunch of civilians, and thus create more extremists... I think it's fairly safe to say that one ain't working out so hot.
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the point is that the correlation between mass murders and people who believe in god is insignificant
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
#23850691 - 11/20/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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quinn said: the point is that the correlation between mass murders and people who believe in god is insignificant
Insignificant? I think if you hit 'em history books, the correlation is seriously fucking high to at least deem some significance. It's like the difference between a physical bully and a psychic bully who can scare the shit out of you into conforming.... I've noticed a strong correlation between Christianity and war my whole life.
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Malkuthian said:
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OrgoneConclusion said: Rape is up 4,000% in Sweden in the last decade due to predominantly Muslim refugees with similar stats in other European countries with a large influx of refugees. They bring with them a certain viewpoint of non-Muslim women that makes them fair game.
If you had read anything about this you would know that is complete bullshit. The main reason the statistics has gone up is changes in how we define "rape" in Sweden, and how cases are handled. This differs a lot from the rest of the world...
One day you're going to have to face up to the fact that letting hordes of Muslims into Sweden was the absolute worst thing you could possibly have ever done to your own women.
Even re-legalising marital rape wouldn't have been as bad, because Swedish men don't commit rape at anywhere near the rate of immigrant Muslims/North Africans, not even when they can get away with it.
Stop bickering over details and face the full magnitude of your fuck-up like a man, before it's too late.
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quinn
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sure, well say the correlation in modern history then.. i mean idk how many atheists even existed prior to the 19th cent
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
#23850722 - 11/20/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have done this before and it bears repeating:
Atheists kill for:
Revenge
Greed
Power
The religious kill for:
Revenge
Greed
Power
God & Scripture
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quinn
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as i said, that extra reason is not significant.. hell religious people might have one more reason to love and have mercy as well
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personally given a choice of having secular neighbors, meditators, or those who keep their religion to themselves such as followers of George Gurdjieff ... any of these seems preferable to having neighbors who are gung ho into any organized religion.
given that
I suppose one might as well mention the elephant in the room that is being ignored yet everybody knows is true: from the point of view of the natives in both North and South American who were the most brutal genocidal racist dishonest greedy people ? who continue to persecute them to this day? not Muslims nope ... white Christiian SOBs of European descent
And as we all, also know this same racist world view and behavior (that is once again on the uprise) is what lead blacks like Cassius Clay, & Malcom X to become Muslims and Clay changed his name to Muhammed Ali and was and is beloved world wide
I don't think this is just a (possibly clever) debating point I think it is a very real reality
White Christians are also about to mount an attack on women's rights Yet many fear muslims...and are attempting to spread fear of them...
The protests going on in the big cities in the USA now are not about our poor security There is enormous shock in this country about what the radical right is about to do the country, the supreme court, all nations, and the planet. I think these folks are right that American culture has produced a vast pool of half awake arrogant fools, who have come together, egged on by a mean spirited manipulator ... and this thread is out of touch with the real tragedy that is taking place
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does that mean atheists require less provocation?
anyway - the next war in america can easily be triggered by staged events with arranged manipulation such as coordinating some dumb fuck bombers in a few cities and blaming countries that have no involvement with the staged events with false reports from law enforcers.
there seems no way to prevent such a staging, we just have to hope we can see through the fakery, and prevent a cascade of insanity from following bogus terrorist stagings.
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CosmicJoke said: It seems like our current strategy to 'help' is to go kill the extremists, accidentally take out a bunch of civilians, and thus create more extremists... I think it's fairly safe to say that one ain't working out so hot.
Well said. It's also hard for people to try and understand what's going on when bombs and missiles that were "made in the USA" are constantly falling on them and their people. Uncle Sam sure looks like the enemy to people who might not otherwise know the difference (if there really is one).
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That's quite a conspiracy to propose, do you really think that it takes fearmongering of terrorism to sell a war to the citizens? Like what exactly are we going to do to stop a war? Propose a revolution at The Waffle House? These guys have drones man....
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DividedQuantum said:
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CosmicJoke said: It seems like our current strategy to 'help' is to go kill the extremists, accidentally take out a bunch of civilians, and thus create more extremists... I think it's fairly safe to say that one ain't working out so hot.
Well said. It's also hard for people to try and understand what's going on when bombs and missiles that were "made in the USA" are constantly falling on them and their people. Uncle Sam sure looks like the enemy to people who might not otherwise know the difference (if there really is one).
Aye, I think it's wise to acknowledge our role in the problem, but it's kind of absurd to me to think that Islamic extremists aren't actually out there and it's just us manipulating and coordinating suicide bombings to go to war. IMHO, there really are Islamic extremist suicide bombers in the USA, and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.
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CosmicJoke said: .... there really are Islamic extremist suicide bombers in the USA, and it's ridiculous to pretend otherwise.
true
but
currently the greatest danger to us (that is't already being effectively handled)
seems to be from ourselves
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