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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24407511 - 06/15/17 10:55 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

IDK, would you walk around the pork and beans projects here in Miami unarmed?

wasnt there just a shooting that happend to a congress man the other day, some politician got shot, did you also think it was Muslim? you know it was a white dude who i guess was an extreme leftist?

so how certain are you really? or is it paranoia?

you just described an entire culture as cancer bro, think about that.

there is no difference between a person who claim he kills in the name of Allah and an atheist who kills they are both psychopaths any way you cut it.

how would you think we the American people would allow sharia Law to occur on American soil? cmon be realistic, that type of stuff does not happen over night especially in this country, we just had a black president, and the death threats were prevalent.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: Green7Alchemist]
    #24407583 - 06/15/17 11:24 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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you just described an entire culture as cancer bro, think about that.





I have thought about it. What part of 'core tenets' are you having trouble with? "Moderate" Muslims have declared they want to convert and dominate the countries that they move to - even those not using bombs.

What words from what holy book was the white leftist shooter following? What messenger of God?


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IDK, would you walk around the pork and beans projects here in Miami unarmed?



Of course not, but that is for another thread. However, if only 0.00001% of Muslims are evil, why would you fear going into a predominantly Muslim area?

Honest answer: do you think it safer for a white Westerner to travel within a predominantly Muslim country or for a Muslim to travel in a Western country?

Do you think that Sweden's rape crisis - going up 1500%(!) in the last 15 years is due to native Swedish men suddenly getting hornier and losing morals - or could it just be the Muslim invasion, perchance?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24407691 - 06/15/17 12:13 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

i just find it funny how all these statistics quite funny, very comical, i dont pay no mind to it, thats the same bullshit that calls me a minority in a country that is my bloodline.

what are you saying moderate Muslims? look at these terms, i have spoken with REAL Muslims and they expressed no such desire, Islam is not the destructive religion you think it to be, please do yourself a favor and have a conversation with a Muslim that is in your life, if any.

why does it matter if the shooter was following a religion or not? not all Muslims are terrorist, and he still attempted to murder a man.

i just thought a no go zone was somewhere you didnt want to go... why is it called a no go zone?

depends what Muslim country, you gotta remember we (america) are still fighting over there, but you go to United Arab Emerites you'll be fine.

there is a lot of hostility towards Muslims here in the US (even more in the UK) while they may be safe from physical danger they surely wont be safe form discrimination, and thats not cool having been on the receiving end of discrimination i can attest that its not a good feeling.

what a select few of a RACE, ok? because not all Arabians are Muslim either, decide is not what the general consensus is in that group. how else would you like me to say this?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker]
    #24407851 - 06/15/17 01:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Again, semantics




is that your response? 'semantics'? do you even know what that means? i tried to make it clear as possible a thread about the irrational fear of something is not about the thing itself and your response is 'semantics'.. ok then.. if you are incapable of grasping the subtleties of english or the even words you are using there's little hope you will understand why your own arguments have been so fucking stupid... i think we r done here :bye:


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: qman]
    #24407864 - 06/15/17 01:31 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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No, it's about the legitimate fear of certain aspects of Islamic culture. 

When a culture doesn't embrace Western liberal values, why wouldn't a civilized person have legitimate concerns or fears about that culture and the people that makeup that culture?



this is bullshit there are plenty of happily integrated muslims stop tarring over a billion people with the same brush

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in 2016 out of 3 million us muslims 46 were linked to terrorism.. the analogy seems pretty apt





And zero atheists in that same time period.

I wonder if one time in a decade we could get an honest response. Would you rather be surrounded by atheists or Muslims?

Straight answer please without waffling.



I'd rather be surrounded by Muslims, since most of them seem to really not give shit about religion and just want to drink their beer in peace.




Have you ever been to the Middle East or the EU and witnessed Muslims living there?

How old are you?



their age is not relevant.

ive worked with a dozen muslim migrants my age from pakistan, lebanon and afgahnistan.

they've ranged from gamers to political relations majors all with varying degrees of religiousness and inteligence and all dealing with similar shit in their lives to me., i found them very relatable and friendly

how many have you met?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24407925 - 06/15/17 01:54 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Would you be willing to go into No Go Zone in France alone and unarmed




i can tell you from experience in South Africa in the poor areas the muslim  areas are 1000 times safer than the secular areas which are overrun with drugs and gang violence..

i cant believe you keep spewing out fear inducing statistics, from one to the next like an islamaphobia bot rather than concede it's a real thing and a prejudice that many muslims who are no better or worse than the rest of the shitty human race have to live with


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24407983 - 06/15/17 02:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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i can tell you from experience in South Africa in the poor areas the muslim  areas are 1000 times safer than the secular areas which are overrun with drugs and gang violence..





im sure most of these guys never traveled to a 3rd world country and do not understand how things are done over there, the people are the governments, and what religions such as Islam and Christianity teaches is a code of conduct.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: Green7Alchemist]
    #24408028 - 06/15/17 02:38 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

yeah, and they provide community and safety, makes a lot of sense.. but of course we are the ignorant ones


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn] * 1
    #24408052 - 06/15/17 02:50 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

just in this past week while we were talking about how radical Muslims are there have been 2 Major shootings leading to fatalities both of which no tied to any terrorist organization what so ever.

where is the fear of these lunatics?

should we generalize their crimes and stick a banner over their whole culture race and religion because of what these guys have done?

i dont see that happening. i guess its because these people arent Muslims it doesnt count.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #24408244 - 06/15/17 04:06 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

There were literally two shootings in the same day that had nothing to do with Islam.  Just twisted little freaks with firearms.

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you just described an entire culture as cancer bro, think about that.





I have thought about it. What part of 'core tenets' are you having trouble with? "Moderate" Muslims have declared they want to convert and dominate the countries that they move to - even those not using bombs.



I know/knew a girl whose family was from Aleppo.  I think that her dad (who's as crazy of a Muslim as my aunt is an Orthodox Christian) helped build the Playstation.  Rejects evolution though, which makes it a little ironic that he sent his daughter to a university in order to study molecular biology.

That being said, apparently her family owns/owned slaves.  At least in this country we have the decency to call our slaves "migrant workers."  Now there's some semantics for you.  Also strawberries.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: chibiabos] * 1
    #24411778 - 06/17/17 02:24 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Spreading the hate against religion (and islam isnt that violent, i highly recommend you read the quran and a good commentary about it or huston smith book the world's religions) going to fix anything.

We need peace and love if we want to live happily not hatred.

And there is a reason why islam is the most growing religion in the world.

Btw i am an ex-muslim.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: oontribe]
    #24411824 - 06/17/17 03:18 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

I hear that Muslims have squiggly writing.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: chibiabos]
    #24412653 - 06/17/17 01:18 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

And squiggly thinking. Which religious members are most likely to kill you for burning a book or drawing a picture of their prophet?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24412661 - 06/17/17 01:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Would you be willing to go into No Go Zone in France alone and unarmed




i can tell you from experience in South Africa in the poor areas the muslim  areas are 1000 times safer than the secular areas which are overrun with drugs and gang violence..





I did not hear your answer. Was that a "yes" or a "no"?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #24412966 - 06/17/17 04:14 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Would you be willing to go into No Go Zone in France alone and unarmed



I did not hear your answer. Was that a "yes" or a "no"?




if no go zones actually existed it might be a no. you need to check your sources mate

Gatestone institute
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"a right-wing think tank... criticized for publishing inaccurate articles.. accused of anti-Muslim bias..."

"The claim that there are areas in European cities governed by Sharia is false"





Daniel Pipes who originated the idea later retracted it after visiting the alleged zones:
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"For a visiting American, these areas are very mild, even dull. We who know the Bronx and Detroit expect urban hell in Europe, too, but there things look fine … hardly beautiful, but buildings are intact, greenery abounds, and order prevails. … Having this first-hand experience, I regret having called these areas no-go zones,"




so what are these 'sensitive' neighbourhoods?
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Far from being considered "off limits" to  authorities, they've been designated as priority areas for urban renewal and other forms of state aid.





and what's one of the reasons they exist?
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Many French Muslims live in tough, isolated neighborhoods and have faced discrimination in housing and employment.



from debunking the muslim-nogo zone myth

for someone who prides themselves on being logical and evidence based and not swayed by other people's hype and bs it is surprising you'd and post such hyped up misleading propaganda from unreliable sources


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #24413044 - 06/17/17 04:56 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

now let me ask you a straight forward question mr Conclusion.

i have known you a long time, am familiar with your style and back story and threads and usually agree with them so am inclined to give you benefit of the doubt but this thread has gone on too long.. altho criticism of islam is consistent with your general criticism of religion singling out muslims as being especially dangerous and worthy of fear seems quite biased and ignores often obvious factors like poverty and war..

that many muslims today in western countries face discrimination in workplaces, on the streets, in the media.. that their right to exist is openly discussed in public discourse like no one else.. that there are hate crimes, violence, hate groups..  that the president is actively trying to implement a 'muslim ban'

do you really think there arent many ordinary muslim folk no better or worse or more dangerous than anyone else who face discrimination?

(that was rhetorical)

my question is not whether it's overblown or used for political ends or whatever, just straight answer pls, simply in a similar way to racism or antisemitism:

do you think islamaphobia exists at all?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24413348 - 06/17/17 07:05 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/world/2014/April/Native-French-under-Attack-in-Muslim-Areas
Fake video? Rare event?

http://time.com/4324338/munich-stabbing-germany-extremist-grafing/
Why is he shouting God is great?

Was Charlie Hedbo a one-off? Were the Paris and Manchester bombings?

How is it when I hear a news piece I can mumble "Muslim" with a near perfect record before hearing any details of the assailant?

Is the Swedish rape crisis faked?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

These are all fake and taken out of context?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24413848 - 06/18/17 12:03 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

wow.. cannot answer a simple question..

you refuse to recognise of 1.6 billion ppl most are no more dangerous than you or i and many are discriminated against. rather than acknowledging valid counterpoints you simply ignore them and move on to something else..

we could play this all day. this thread belongs in the conspiracy forum where the game is simply to dredge up as many emotionally charged 'facts' as possible to hide the weakness of a spurious original claim. this belongs with the reptile threads and ancient aliens threads and jews trying to take over the world threads, not in a forum that values clear thinking and logic and impartiality

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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24413876 - 06/18/17 12:23 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

They're discriminated against for the same reason that Nazis are. Because they're fucking dangerous.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: viktor] * 1
    #24413896 - 06/18/17 12:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

pls stop


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