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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker] * 1
    #24406481 - 06/14/17 09:34 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

this thread is not about islam.

it's about islamaphobia i.e. double standards, prejudice, antagonism, unfair focus.

citing the bible is a totally legitimate counterpoint to you citing the quaran to 'prove' your racist blithering. you have no argument


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24406543 - 06/14/17 09:56 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Semantics

Islamaphobia-dislike of or prejudice against Islam or Muslims, especially as a political force.

But the thread is not about islam.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker]
    #24406653 - 06/14/17 10:53 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

yes its about the irrational fear of islam..

in the same way that a thread on arachnophobia is not really a discussion on the characteristics of spiders themselves.

an arachnophobe might say 'spiders are dangerous'

and you could counter by saying 'well actually most of them are harmless'

then the arachnophobe might reply 'but they have mouths and can bite!'

to which you might respond 'many insects you arent afraid of, like ants, millipeads, etc have mouths and are no more likely to bite.'

in the same way you might say to someone who claims 'muslims are dangerous' that most of them arent and when they say 'but look what it says in their text!' you point out that many others who they arent afraid of follow similar texts and are no more likely to bite


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24406764 - 06/15/17 12:00 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

1 in 13 American Muslims might turn on their own countrymen by their own admission.

Perhaps a dozen species of spiders out of 75,000 are harmful to humans.

Did you fail at math?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24406786 - 06/15/17 12:13 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

:canthelpbutlaugh: source.?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: pineninja]
    #24406807 - 06/15/17 12:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Already posted - unless you are talking spiders.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #24406845 - 06/15/17 01:10 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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1 in 13 American Muslims might turn on their own countrymen by their own admission.




they 'might' turn on their own countrymen? since 9/11 muslim terrorists in the us accounted for 156 deaths. compare that to the 240,000 citizens murdered in the us over the same time period

perhaps your study ought to include what the average american 'might' do

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Perhaps a dozen species of spiders out of 75,000 are harmful to humans.




in 2016 out of 3 million us muslims 46 were linked to terrorism.. the analogy seems pretty apt

(link to above stats)


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn] * 1
    #24406857 - 06/15/17 01:19 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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in 2016 out of 3 million us muslims 46 were linked to terrorism.. the analogy seems pretty apt





And zero atheists in that same time period.

I wonder if one time in a decade we could get an honest response. Would you rather be surrounded by atheists or Muslims?

Straight answer please without waffling.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #24406889 - 06/15/17 01:54 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

uhmm depends on the context muslims for dinner parties atheists for after parties :strokebeard:


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #24406906 - 06/15/17 02:12 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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in 2016 out of 3 million us muslims 46 were linked to terrorism.. the analogy seems pretty apt





And zero atheists in that same time period.

I wonder if one time in a decade we could get an honest response. Would you rather be surrounded by atheists or Muslims?

Straight answer please without waffling.



I'd rather be surrounded by Muslims, since most of them seem to really not give shit about religion and just want to drink their beer in peace.  Of course it doesn't help the atheists that one of them invented this dumb fucking dichotomy in order to justify being a paranoid idiot...

You seriously must get out even less than I do.  Being Muslim doesn't mean that you give a flying fuck about Islamic scripture.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24407177 - 06/15/17 08:12 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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yes its about the irrational fear of islam..

in the same way that a thread on arachnophobia is not really a discussion on the characteristics of spiders themselves.

an arachnophobe might say 'spiders are dangerous'

and you could counter by saying 'well actually most of them are harmless'

then the arachnophobe might reply 'but they have mouths and can bite!'

to which you might respond 'many insects you arent afraid of, like ants, millipeads, etc have mouths and are no more likely to bite.'

in the same way you might say to someone who claims 'muslims are dangerous' that most of them arent and when they say 'but look what it says in their text!' you point out that many others who they arent afraid of follow similar texts and are no more likely to bite



Again, semantics


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24407208 - 06/15/17 08:29 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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yes its about the irrational fear of islam..





No, it's about the legitimate fear of certain aspects of Islamic culture. 

When a culture doesn't embrace Western liberal values, why wouldn't a civilized person have legitimate concerns or fears about that culture and the people that makeup that culture?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: chibiabos]
    #24407249 - 06/15/17 08:47 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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in 2016 out of 3 million us muslims 46 were linked to terrorism.. the analogy seems pretty apt





And zero atheists in that same time period.

I wonder if one time in a decade we could get an honest response. Would you rather be surrounded by atheists or Muslims?

Straight answer please without waffling.



I'd rather be surrounded by Muslims, since most of them seem to really not give shit about religion and just want to drink their beer in peace.  Of course it doesn't help the atheists that one of them invented this dumb fucking dichotomy in order to justify being a paranoid idiot...

You seriously must get out even less than I do.  Being Muslim doesn't mean that you give a flying fuck about Islamic scripture.




No-Go Zones in France: https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3305/france-no-go-zones

Excerpt: At last count, there were a total of 751 Sensitive Urban Zones, a comprehensive list of which can be found on a French government website, complete with satellite maps and precise street demarcations. An estimated five million Muslims live in the ZUS -- parts of France over which the French state has lost control.

Seine-Saint-Denis, also known locally as "Department 93" for the first two digits of the postal code for this suburb, witnessed fierce rioting by Muslim youths in 2005, when they torched more than 9,000 cars.



In October 2011, a 2,200-page report, "Banlieue de la République" (Suburbs of the Republic) found that Seine-Saint-Denis and other Parisian suburbs are becoming "separate Islamic societies" cut off from the French state and where Islamic Sharia law is rapidly displacing French civil law.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24407263 - 06/15/17 08:56 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Snopes calls the idea of No-Go Zones nonsense, but states:

Certainly there are areas of France where crime and violence is rampant, that travelers and non-residents may avoid, and where police may intercede in only with caution and difficulty — some of which are home to significant Muslim populations...

Duh!


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: chibiabos]
    #24407266 - 06/15/17 08:57 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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in 2016 out of 3 million us muslims 46 were linked to terrorism.. the analogy seems pretty apt





And zero atheists in that same time period.

I wonder if one time in a decade we could get an honest response. Would you rather be surrounded by atheists or Muslims?

Straight answer please without waffling.



I'd rather be surrounded by Muslims, since most of them seem to really not give shit about religion and just want to drink their beer in peace.




Have you ever been to the Middle East or the EU and witnessed Muslims living there?

How old are you?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: qman]
    #24407270 - 06/15/17 09:03 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

chibiabos So, you tell me i'm wrong for talking poorly of islam and quoting verses out of context when you're counter argument is the same thing i'm doing, but with christianity. According to you my point isn't valid, so how is yours?
Then, you make some post replying to mine that literally doesn't make any sense at all, and i make one back and you don't reply.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24407386 - 06/15/17 10:07 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18797530/ns/us_news-life/t/some-young-us-muslims-approve-suicide-hits/#.WUHIeYWcGCg

While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be...

Not quite sure what defending Islam means in this context. We do know that some have killed over a cartoon or a book burning, but either way - let that number sink in.

Almost 1 in 8 American Muslims condone killing civilians under some circumstances - and that number is much higher for the under 30 males. These are not Muslims being bombed in the Middle East, but American citizens. Allegiance to the adoptive country seems to have little meaning (to some) as was recently seen in the UK attacks.

Once again I bring up the title of this thread. A phobia is an irrational fear. Does not seem too irrational to me to be wary of such people more.




And i understand your concern, but whats the statistic for homicidal Americans, of American nationality? not just of muslims... ok?

whats the statistic for white men living in the south and believing they should kill or hurt people of "color"?

your fear does seem irrational to me man, i dont see whats there to fear, really do not.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: Green7Alchemist]
    #24407443 - 06/15/17 10:33 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18797530/ns/us_news-life/t/some-young-us-muslims-approve-suicide-hits/#.WUHIeYWcGCg

While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be...

Not quite sure what defending Islam means in this context. We do know that some have killed over a cartoon or a book burning, but either way - let that number sink in.

Almost 1 in 8 American Muslims condone killing civilians under some circumstances - and that number is much higher for the under 30 males. These are not Muslims being bombed in the Middle East, but American citizens. Allegiance to the adoptive country seems to have little meaning (to some) as was recently seen in the UK attacks.

Once again I bring up the title of this thread. A phobia is an irrational fear. Does not seem too irrational to me to be wary of such people more.




And i understand your concern, but whats the statistic for homicidal Americans, of American nationality? not just of muslims... ok?

whats the statistic for white men living in the south and believing they should kill or hurt people of "color"?




What's the statistic for blacks actually physically assaulting, raping or murdering whites relative to the other way around?  You don't want to know.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: Green7Alchemist]
    #24407452 - 06/15/17 10:35 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Would you be willing to go into No Go Zone in France alone and unarmed?

I do not fear going about my daily life, but see a cancer spreading and take notice. Should I ignore it just because it has yet to reach my doorstep?

Why is it that whenever I hear of a civilian bombing, I can be near-certain it is a Muslim before I even get the details?


Omar Alnatour writes:

As a Muslim, I am tired of condemning terrorist attacks being carried out by inherently violent people who hijack my religion. I am tired of hearing the word “terrorist” not being used when the suspect in a terrorist attack is a non-Muslim. I am tired of the “mentally disabled” excuse being recycled when the suspect in a terrorist attack is a Caucasian. I am tired of seeing hundreds of terrorist attacks carried out by non-Muslims not get the same coverage of even a single terrorist attack where the suspect happens to be Muslim.


Almost sounds reasonable except that when a lone worker goes on a rampage it is generally not out of an ideology and is not a directive in their Holy Book from a direct messenger from God.

Most American Muslims (non-terrorists) polled would gladly supersede the Constitution with Sharia Law if given the option. That is NOT assimilation; that is merely waiting for significant numbers to take over.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24407502 - 06/15/17 10:51 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

You are fireing the fear on something which does not exist (phobia).

Call against those who set those limitations (like those zones)...


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