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DividedQuantum said: Total number of Muslims in the world: 1.6 billion Total number of people in "Foreign Terrorist Organizations": approx. 184,000 Percentage of terror attacks committed against the United States by Muslims (1980-2005): 6% Percentage of terror attacks committed against European nations by Muslims: <2%
Number of atheist suicide bombings worldwide? Zero.
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ugh 
do we even use logic/reasoning/discernment anymore or is this some type of super power i have.
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The lurker said: If anyone would like to come by and have an intelligent debate about my claims and not just silence me by calling me racist and bigoted, You're more than welcome.
Rational people can do this, apparently Quinn is unable.
Intelligent people mostly agree with you. It's just the SJWs like quinn, Falc and the Espastic who are shrieking insults still.
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: qman]
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qman said: If economic migrants are so wonderful, why do EU countries want to pass them off to other EU nations? 
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-14/eu-sues-poland-hungary-and-czech-republic-refusing-accept-refugees
qman im not into foreign politics, ill be honest im not into politics at all its all a game.
and whatever is happening the the EU its been a long time coming, im more concerned about the history and politics of this nation, even this continent.
we can talk about this fine continent all you want, but if you ask me about EU, ill say it has nothing to do with me nor does it concern me.
furthermore the EU nations are some rich ass mofos, ok? i dont think any one will suffer from these "economic migrants". - side note dont post articles i wont read them, put it in your own word so i know you actually have a handle on what your speaking about.
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DividedQuantum said: Total number of Muslims in the world: 1.6 billion Total number of people in "Foreign Terrorist Organizations": approx. 184,000 Percentage of terror attacks committed against the United States by Muslims (1980-2005): 6% Percentage of terror attacks committed against European nations by Muslims: <2%
Number of atheist suicide bombings worldwide? Zero.
They just had been atheist 'sleepers' undercover with a religious mask
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to: the lurker
you don't really expect me to read your quotes which were torn totally out of context and understanding.
I propose you learn about the history of mohamad: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22662917#22662917
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chibiabos
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BlueCoyote said: Secularization is key. If someone doesn't follow simple secular laws, then it's no need to ask what religion he follows.
yes, you're right in secularization is key, but it's not a matter of asking what religion he follows. It's one specific religion, Islam. It's dangerous when people are following things like this. I'll quote a few verses to back up my point.
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit, except those who are disabled, and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit. Unto each, Allah has promised good, but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit, by a huge reward "
I really just find it baffling how i point out things in a religions holy book word for word and someone tells me "they don't actually believe in that, that's not how it works."
You realize that that's all basically adopted from Christian scripture, right? Islam is basically just super orthodox Christianity with the events of the Old Testament set in the Arabian Peninsula instead of Palestine.
Deuteronomy (13:6-9) - "6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Deuteronomy (13:12-16) - "12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt."
Deuteronomy (21:18-21) - “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Deuteronomy (17:1-20) - “You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever, for that is an abomination to the Lord your God. “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."
Luke (19:27) - " But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me."
Matthew (13:39) - " And the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels."
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BlueCoyote said: to: the lurker
you don't really expect me to read your quotes which were torn totally out of context and understanding.
I propose you learn about the history of mohamad: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22662917#22662917
I completely urge you to look up the quotes and read the passages all around it, not out of context one bit.
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BlueCoyote said: Secularization is key. If someone doesn't follow simple secular laws, then it's no need to ask what religion he follows.
yes, you're right in secularization is key, but it's not a matter of asking what religion he follows. It's one specific religion, Islam. It's dangerous when people are following things like this. I'll quote a few verses to back up my point.
Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."
Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit, except those who are disabled, and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit. Unto each, Allah has promised good, but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit, by a huge reward "
I really just find it baffling how i point out things in a religions holy book word for word and someone tells me "they don't actually believe in that, that's not how it works."
You realize that that's all basically adopted from Christian scripture, right? Islam is basically just super orthodox Christianity with the events of the Old Testament set in the Arabian Peninsula instead of Palestine.
Deuteronomy (13:6-9) - "6 If your very own brother, or your son or daughter, or the wife you love, or your closest friend secretly entices you, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods that neither you nor your ancestors have known, 7 gods of the peoples around you, whether near or far, from one end of the land to the other), 8 do not yield to them or listen to them. Show them no pity. Do not spare them or shield them. 9 You must certainly put them to death. Your hand must be the first in putting them to death, and then the hands of all the people."
Deuteronomy (13:12-16) - "12 If you hear it said about one of the towns the Lord your God is giving you to live in 13 that troublemakers have arisen among you and have led the people of their town astray, saying, “Let us go and worship other gods” (gods you have not known), 14 then you must inquire, probe and investigate it thoroughly. And if it is true and it has been proved that this detestable thing has been done among you, 15 you must certainly put to the sword all who live in that town. You must destroy it completely, both its people and its livestock. 16 You are to gather all the plunder of the town into the middle of the public square and completely burn the town and all its plunder as a whole burnt offering to the Lord your God. That town is to remain a ruin forever, never to be rebuilt."
Deuteronomy (21:18-21) - “If a man has a stubborn and rebellious son who will not obey the voice of his father or the voice of his mother, and, though they discipline him, will not listen to them, then his father and his mother shall take hold of him and bring him out to the elders of his city at the gate of the place where he lives, and they shall say to the elders of his city, ‘This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton and a drunkard.’ Then all the men of the city shall stone him to death with stones. So you shall purge the evil from your midst, and all Israel shall hear, and fear.
Deuteronomy (17:1-20) - “You shall not sacrifice to the Lord your God an ox or a sheep in which is a blemish, any defect whatever, for that is an abomination to the Lord your God. “If there is found among you, within any of your towns that the Lord your God is giving you, a man or woman who does what is evil in the sight of the Lord your God, in transgressing his covenant, and has gone and served other gods and worshiped them, or the sun or the moon or any of the host of heaven, which I have forbidden, and it is told you and you hear of it, then you shall inquire diligently, and if it is true and certain that such an abomination has been done in Israel, then you shall bring out to your gates that man or woman who has done this evil thing, and you shall stone that man or woman to death with stones."
Luke (19:27) - " But as for these enemies of mine, who did not want me to reign over them, bring them here and slaughter them before me."
Matthew (13:39) - " And the enemy who sowed them is the devil. The harvest is the close of the age, and the reapers are angels."
 Any conscious person can compare and contrast each of those verses and find them to be different.
Isn't this thread about islamaphobia? I'm debating Islam not Christianity. More specifically, modern day Islam. It would be a different question if there were modern day Christians doing the same kind of shit the muslims are doing in the middle east, and creating a complete crisis in the UK. While also trying to come in by tens of thousands to the US.
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Yeah, I guess that your Koran verses are referencing war while the verses that I picked out of Deuteronomy are commanding the faithful to beat their loved ones to death with rocks. So you really did get me there. 
Do you also really just not understand the fact that Islam is based on Christianity?
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http://www.nbcnews.com/id/18797530/ns/us_news-life/t/some-young-us-muslims-approve-suicide-hits/#.WUHIeYWcGCg
While nearly 80 percent of U.S. Muslims say suicide bombings of civilians to defend Islam can not be justified, 13 percent say they can be...
Not quite sure what defending Islam means in this context. We do know that some have killed over a cartoon or a book burning, but either way - let that number sink in.
Almost 1 in 8 American Muslims condone killing civilians under some circumstances - and that number is much higher for the under 30 males. These are not Muslims being bombed in the Middle East, but American citizens. Allegiance to the adoptive country seems to have little meaning (to some) as was recently seen in the UK attacks.
Once again I bring up the title of this thread. A phobia is an irrational fear. Does not seem too irrational to me to be wary of such people more.
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chibiabos said: Yeah, I guess that your Koran verses are referencing war while the verses that I picked out of Deuteronomy are commanding the faithful to beat their loved ones to death with rocks. So you really did get me there. 
Do you also really just not understand the fact that Islam is based on Christianity?
Yes, all Abrahamic religions and their associated scriptures are retarded, but Islam takes them more seriously at present.
Where do you think an openly gay man could live more peacefully - Saudi Arabia, Iran or the USA?
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chibiabos said: Yeah, I guess that your Koran verses are referencing war while the verses that I picked out of Deuteronomy are commanding the faithful to beat their loved ones to death with rocks. So you really did get me there. 
Do you also really just not understand the fact that Islam is based on Christianity?
Yes, all Abrahamic religions and their associated scriptures are retarded, but Islam takes them more seriously at present.
Where do you think an openly gay man could live more peacefully - Saudi Arabia, Iran or the USA?
Probably Norway. Or Iceland. Or Germany.
I'm also willing to bet that more than 13% of American Christians think that it's alright to kill in the name of god and faith, based on how many of them talk about how great it would be. I'm also willing to bet that a lot more than 2% of American Christians under thirty feel that way too.
You did a good job of leaving that part out, by the way. Agitatin' like a pro.
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That's OC's point
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chibiabos said: Yeah, I guess that your Koran verses are referencing war while the verses that I picked out of Deuteronomy are commanding the faithful to beat their loved ones to death with rocks. So you really did get me there. 
Do you also really just not understand the fact that Islam is based on Christianity?
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Christians wrote the new testament of the bible, muslims did not write any kind of new chapter or testament. There are way more fundamentalist muslims than christians.
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The lurker said: Christians wrote the new testament of the bible, muslims did not write any kind of new chapter or testament. There are way more fundamentalist muslims than christians.
Dude, you were literally quoting the Koran. Muslims don't teach out of the Old Testament. Fanatical Christians (of which there are actually a fucking lot) do.
And there are way more armed, fanatical Christians in the US than there are even devout Muslims.
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You did a good job of leaving that part out, by the way. Agitatin' like a pro.
I linked the article so as not to post the whole thing.
I have many hundreds of threads bitch-slapping Christianity and only a handful on Islam.
I would be fine if we got rid of all religion. The world would likely be somewhat safer and certainly more rational.
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OrgoneConclusion said: A phobia is an irrational fear.
Is it irrational to fear people who would readily kill you over a cartoon, would behead you for not accepting their religion, who would blow themselves up in the marketplace while killing others, whose core book demands the deaths of non-believers? Need I continue?
there are many groups of people that are better avoided
coke dealers hell angles religious fanatics of all flavors gangsters irs agents police military types mafiosi russian mafia large mobs anywhere real estate developers etc. it's a huge list that's why the planet is fucked up but to spend time fearing them is probably not very productive
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The lurker said: Christians wrote the new testament of the bible, muslims did not write any kind of new chapter or testament. There are way more fundamentalist muslims than christians.
Dude, you were literally quoting the Koran. Muslims don't teach out of the Old Testament. Fanatical Christians (of which there are actually a fucking lot) do.
And there are way more armed, fanatical Christians in the US than there are even devout Muslims.
What the fuck are you saying? I quoted the Quran never said muslims teach out of the old testament.
edit- for the second time, I don't care about christianity, this thread is about islam i'm not defending it at all.
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