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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24404883 - 06/14/17 10:28 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Poland doesn't allow Muslim/African migrants or refugees into their country, they don't see any shades of gray when it comes to these people living in their homeland, I wonder why they don't have any of the social-economic problems that the other EU nations have with Muslims/Africans.



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Re: Islamophobia [Re: qman] * 1
    #24404935 - 06/14/17 10:52 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Yah, everyone who wants to live in a socio-economic poor country with a far right government might want to settle there...


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: qman]
    #24404961 - 06/14/17 11:03 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Poland doesn't allow Muslim/African migrants or refugees into their country, they don't see any shades of gray when it comes to these people living in their homeland, I wonder why they don't have any of the social-economic problems that the other EU nations have with Muslims/Africans.





yup, there's virtually no terrorism there. I wonder what could possibly be the reason for that??


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker]
    #24404980 - 06/14/17 11:10 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

You want to ban religiouns because some idiots misinterpret them ?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24404985 - 06/14/17 11:14 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

But if it's in that religions holy book, how do you know which ones the fundamentalists are?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker]
    #24404995 - 06/14/17 11:20 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Ah it deleted my answer...damned.

Secularization is key. If someone doesn't follow simple secular laws, then it's no need to ask what religion he follows.

The spirit will always find it's way into the humans mind, no matter what name you call it, so banning a religion is not the way.
As there always will be people who intentionally or unintentionally misinterpret it.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24405017 - 06/14/17 11:32 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Total number of Muslims in the world: 1.6 billion
Total number of people in "Foreign Terrorist Organizations": approx. 184,000
Percentage of terror attacks committed against the United States by Muslims (1980-2005): 6%
Percentage of terror attacks committed against European nations by Muslims: <2%






https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140506/14033627137/how-many-terrorists-are-there-not-as-many-as-you-might-think.shtml
http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24405032 - 06/14/17 11:40 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Nice :thumbup:


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24405108 - 06/14/17 12:13 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Total number of Muslims in the world: 1.6 billion
Total number of people in "Foreign Terrorist Organizations": approx. 184,000
Percentage of terror attacks committed against the United States by Muslims (1980-2005): 6%
Percentage of terror attacks committed against European nations by Muslims: <2%






https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140506/14033627137/how-many-terrorists-are-there-not-as-many-as-you-might-think.shtml
http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html




That's a very simplistic way of analyzing if Muslims should be allowed to migrate into EU nations, are you suggesting that if a Muslim doesn't commit acts of terror then everything should be just fine?

They also bring with them no education, skills, money, language ability or liberal western values. 

They burden the taxpayer and commit a massive disproportional amount of crime, the terror aspect isn't the main issue, why focus on it?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24405115 - 06/14/17 12:15 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Yah, everyone who wants to live in a socio-economic poor country with a far right government might want to settle there...




It's not a far right government, they just enforce their borders and immigration laws unlike the pussies in the rest of the EU.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24405123 - 06/14/17 12:18 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Ah it deleted my answer...damned.

Secularization is key. If someone doesn't follow simple secular laws, then it's no need to ask what religion he follows.

The spirit will always find it's way into the humans mind, no matter what name you call it, so banning a religion is not the way.
As there always will be people who intentionally or unintentionally misinterpret it.




Who's banning a religion?  No one.

Every nation should discriminate when considering who should be allowed to come into their nation and who could ever become a citizen.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24405133 - 06/14/17 12:22 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Total number of Muslims in the world: 1.6 billion
Total number of people in "Foreign Terrorist Organizations": approx. 184,000
Percentage of terror attacks committed against the United States by Muslims (1980-2005): 6%
Percentage of terror attacks committed against European nations by Muslims: <2%






https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140506/14033627137/how-many-terrorists-are-there-not-as-many-as-you-might-think.shtml
http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html




You should be ashamed to post such nonsense. :facepalm:

https://thinkprogress.org/less-than-2-percent-of-terrorist-attacks-in-the-e-u-are-religiously-motivated-cec7d8ebedf6

So semantics is your best argument now?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: qman]
    #24405186 - 06/14/17 12:39 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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qman said:
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BlueCoyote said:
Yah, everyone who wants to live in a socio-economic poor country with a far right government might want to settle there...




It's not a far right government, they just enforce their borders and immigration laws unlike the pussies in the rest of the EU.




And they offend EU-Laws by this, because EU is for secularization and not this bullshit religious discrimination.

edit: But I absolutely agree it is better to check them out before you let them in. Merkel admitted that she did that mistake. Now they have to be checked as they are already inside.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24405202 - 06/14/17 12:44 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

"they offend EU-Laws by this"

No, they offend EU policies made by un-elected EU officials.  Poland is not giving away their national sovereignty to a bunch of EU bureaucrats. :rofl2:

"religious discrimination"

That's your assumption, they're also discriminating against people from certain parts of the world and also their economic status, they're entitled to discriminate based on those factors.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: qman]
    #24405203 - 06/14/17 12:45 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

just maybe read my edit on previous post...sorry, I have to avoid ninja editing


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24405292 - 06/14/17 01:16 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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They also bring with them no education, skills, money, language ability or liberal western values. 

They burden the taxpayer and commit a massive disproportional amount of crime, the terror aspect isn't the main issue, why focus on it?



The only correlation to refugee resettlement and crime that I could find (that wasn't some wildass conjecture from The Daily Caller or some other agitprop magazine) showed a decrease in crime rate after resettlement.  So I guess that they are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime, in that it's disproportionately small.

As for the first sentence, that there is just fundamental ignorance of what sort of people you're actually dealing with.  You might as well go down to the local high school and start yelling at the kids who just finished up their freshman year for not having a bachelor's degree yet.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: chibiabos]
    #24405353 - 06/14/17 01:43 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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chibiabos said:
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qman said:
They also bring with them no education, skills, money, language ability or liberal western values. 

They burden the taxpayer and commit a massive disproportional amount of crime, the terror aspect isn't the main issue, why focus on it?



The only correlation to refugee resettlement and crime that I could find (that wasn't some wildass conjecture from The Daily Caller or some other agitprop magazine) showed a decrease in crime rate after resettlement.  So I guess that they are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime, in that it's disproportionately small.

As for the first sentence, that there is just fundamental ignorance of what sort of people you're actually dealing with.  You might as well go down to the local high school and start yelling at the kids who just finished up their freshman year for not having a bachelor's degree yet.




"showed a decrease"

Nope. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/04/25/migrant-crime-germany-rises-50-per-cent-new-figures-show/

"sort of people you're actually dealing with"

Yes, the vast majority are economic migrants coming from Africa and the ME with no money, education/skills, language ability and no liberal western values.

Who do you think pays for their food, shelter, clothing, education, criminal justice and health care? The EU taxpayer!!!

Does the EU need more workers?  No, they already have high unemployment, stagnate wages, high taxes and insolvent governments, why in the world would they want to bring in poor people that are a huge social-economic burden?  It makes no sense.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #24405368 - 06/14/17 01:51 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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DividedQuantum said:
Total number of Muslims in the world: 1.6 billion
Total number of people in "Foreign Terrorist Organizations": approx. 184,000
Percentage of terror attacks committed against the United States by Muslims (1980-2005): 6%
Percentage of terror attacks committed against European nations by Muslims: <2%






https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140506/14033627137/how-many-terrorists-are-there-not-as-many-as-you-might-think.shtml
http://www.globalresearch.ca/non-muslims-carried-out-more-than-90-of-all-terrorist-attacks-in-america/5333619
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/omar-alnatour/muslims-are-not-terrorist_b_8718000.html



1. Huffington post it not a valid source
2. Every single one of these sources comes from an extremely biased media outlet, just look at their other articles.
3. So those are only the people in terror organizations, i'm guessing that's specifically islam? Either way, that doesn't account for fundamentalists, just those affiliated with an actual terrorist organization.
4. When you say "by muslims" no shit biased sites are going to say "by muslims' this is what literally ALL fake news outlets do. Shooting? Oh he wasn't black, he was dark white. Yes, that was actually on CNN. All of the fake news outlets are also saying these attacks aren't committed by muslims so they can further push their agenda which admittedly consists of open borders, and no vetting of refugees.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: chibiabos]
    #24405375 - 06/14/17 01:55 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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chibiabos said:

The only correlation to refugee resettlement and crime that I could find (that wasn't some wildass conjecture from The Daily Caller or some other agitprop magazine) showed a decrease in crime rate after resettlement.



:facepalm:


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote]
    #24405396 - 06/14/17 02:09 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Secularization is key. If someone doesn't follow simple secular laws, then it's no need to ask what religion he follows.




yes, you're right in secularization is key, but it's not a matter of asking what religion he follows.
It's one specific religion, Islam. It's dangerous when people are following things like this. I'll quote a few verses to back up my point.

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not."


Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."


Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit, except those who are disabled, and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit. Unto each, Allah has promised good, but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit, by a huge reward "




I really just find it baffling how i point out things in a religions holy book word for word and someone tells me "they don't actually believe in that, that's not how it works."


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