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chibiabos
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chibiabos said: Most refugees are women and children...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/02/keith-ellison/rep-keith-ellison-correct-demographic-overview-syr/
Okay, most of them might be. This is called culture clashing, it's also an absolutely idiotic idea to take that chance While most might be woman and children, 5 potential terrorists coming in is too big of a threat to take, I'd estimate there's thousands. Imagine your a terrorist. Than, brainwashed people start letting unvettes refugees in. Boom, fuckin prime opportunity for homeland attacks. This is what they do, manipulate you and call you racist and make you feel guilty so they can further there agendas for things the people did not vote on.
Too tired to tear through all of that crap...This "Yeah, but what if five out of several million want to do bad things?" nonsense is exactly why things like My Lai happen.
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Incidentally, my neighbor faced the exact same anti-refugee crap back when she was fleeing Germany as part of the kindertransport...
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chibiabos said: Most refugees are women and children...
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/02/keith-ellison/rep-keith-ellison-correct-demographic-overview-syr/
Okay, most of them might be. This is called culture clashing, it's also an absolutely idiotic idea to take that chance While most might be woman and children, 5 potential terrorists coming in is too big of a threat to take, I'd estimate there's thousands. Imagine your a terrorist. Than, brainwashed people start letting unvettes refugees in. Boom, fuckin prime opportunity for homeland attacks. This is what they do, manipulate you and call you racist and make you feel guilty so they can further there agendas for things the people did not vote on.
Too tired to tear through all of that crap...This "Yeah, but what if five our of several million want to do bad things?" nonsense is exactly why things like My Lai happen.
This is basically what you just said
"I'm too lazy and to read through your entire counter argument because I don't like being proven wrong so here's another point anyways"
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chibiabos said: Incidentally, my neighbor faced the exact same anti-refugee crap back when she was fleeing Germany as part of the kindertransport...

Dude there's very little to compare between Jewish refugees and Syrian refugees. The only thing they have in common is they're both refugees. Ones a religion, ones a group of inhabitants of a country.
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A small handful of proper nouns notwithstanding, people made the exact same arguments against accepting Jewish refugees that they're making against Syrian refugees. You really don't think that people were beating the drum for nativist bullcrap about a "clash of cultures" and the fact that the Germans may sneak agents into Allied territory among the refugees?
Europe already has Muslim shtetls and Americans are already arguing in favor of resettling Muslims until the good ones can be sorted from the bad ones. At this point anybody who isn't worried about anti-Muslim pogroms is either fine with the idea or in denial.
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viktor
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chibiabos said: A small handful of proper nouns notwithstanding, people made the exact same arguments against accepting Jewish refugees that they're making against Syrian refugees.
So what?
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: viktor]
#24403214 - 06/13/17 06:10 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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people made the exact same arguments against accepting Jewish refugees that they're making against Syrian refugees.
And now those Jews are trying to bring the third world into the first world.
Why did we let them in again?
You don't have an argument, you're just kvetching.
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: viktor] 2
#24403276 - 06/13/17 06:34 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you even know what third-world means? Technically Switzerland is a third-world country. And, if anything, Syria is second-world.
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chibiabos said: A small handful of proper nouns notwithstanding, people made the exact same arguments against accepting Jewish refugees that they're making against Syrian refugees.
So what?
So the only real difference between those people and the Nazis was geography. You ever read Vonnegut's introduction to Mother Night? Moral superiority over somebody in one instant doesn't make you too good to be as bad or worse than the other guys.
The only reasons why the Third Reich could do such awful things isn't because the nation was hijacked by a bunch of crazy people who lived way the christ out on the fringe of sensibility. The Third Reich did all of the things that the name has come to be associated with because everyday, moderate, more or less sensible Germans were willing to put up with it as long as the getting was good (i.e. as long as the German Army was looting Europe). You might have heard to it referred to as the "good German defense." It's already being used in this contemporary case, it's complete bullshit, it's always been complete bullshit and it will always be complete bullshit. It's the sort of excuse you use when you're too much of a pussy to admit that you really just don't care about whether people live or die.
https://www.ushmm.org/wlc/en/article.php?ModuleId=10005594
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It can mean multiple things, did you know that? Or did you just want to dodge the point?
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: wildboom] 1
#24403619 - 06/13/17 08:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The lurker said: It's absolutely and 100% impossible to have a debate with someone who shuts you down with ignorance and calls you racist.
this is not a debate.
this is you firing a shotgun of bigoted generalisations and being offended when called on it
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Facts do not care about your feelings, or being racist, or being politically correct.
I base my point of view from facts, and not feelings, or worried if they might be racist.
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You actually had to nerve to tell me i should be shut down because it's hate speech and racist.
it should and it is, you should stfu
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Sorry man, but i don't need to study the entire quran
hmm lets cherry pick some verses of the bible to divine the history of christianity and the organisation of the catholic church. wow anthropology, so easy
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to read a few verses that violently depict and back up literally EVERY claim i've made in this argument.
u quoted some text u know nothing about in order to justify ur 'claims' such as
- muslims are primitive
- muslims will kill you if you dont convert
- the only real muslims are terrorists
- muslims are trying to take over the world
- muslims are incestuous pedophile lovers
you said all of that bigoted crap right?
but you arent a racist just going off the 'facts' we are the ones who are 'ignorant'..
u r a terribly confused person.
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But you tell me there just based off racism. No, i said something about the muslim culture, not middle eastern culture (which is although mostly based off islam.) in case you forgot the difference between race and religion.
you cant sidestep being racist on a technicality. all the same shit buddy you stereotype, label a huge swath of people as primitive, other, untrustworthy, violent, fearful..
the same as antisemitism, as racism, call it what you like, 'islamaphobia' it doesnt change its the same thing based on ignorance and bigotry.
that you claim not to be talking about 'middle eastern culture' shows you are ignorant of the fact only 20% of muslims are from there.. but ur not racist
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You WANT these quotes to be out of context, but they aren't. Doesn't take a a muslim or Quran "scpecialist"
quoting a small paragraph is literally what being out of context is. it doesnt take a specialist but at least someone who understands how the quaran is used in everyday life. as i said us jews have the same stuff but the tiny fraction of jewish fundamentalists does not reflect the lived jewish culture.
i have no desire to continue this discussion. i completely understand chibiabos when they say theyre 'too tired to tear through all of that crap'
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: wildboom]
#24403802 - 06/13/17 10:26 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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wildboom said: It can mean multiple things, did you know that?
It really doesn't. You also didn't have a point. More like a racial animus.
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chibiabos said: It's the sort of excuse you use when you're too much of a pussy to admit that you really just don't care about whether people live or die.
I'd rather Syrians died then were given free residency in New Zealand so that they could kill my people.
Islam has brought nothing but death to every country it has touched.
It's not that I don't care about Muslims. It's just that I'm not willing to kill my own people to help them.
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: viktor]
#24403876 - 06/13/17 11:20 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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wow i really feel sorry for 'your people' having to put up with you particularly the 50 000 new zealanders who are muslims
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
#24403921 - 06/13/17 11:59 PM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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quinn said: wow i really feel sorry for 'your people' having to put up with you particularly the 50 000 new zealanders who are muslims
Soon they'll be using Arabic numerals to teach New Zealand's children about "algebra."
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Aren't we just so clever? So much cleverer than all these Nazis!
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: viktor]
#24403983 - 06/14/17 12:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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Aren't we just so clever? So much cleverer than all these Nazis!
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: viktor]
#24403984 - 06/14/17 12:36 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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<-- you watching our orgy from outside
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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
#24404346 - 06/14/17 06:49 AM (6 years, 7 months ago) |
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The lurker said: It's absolutely and 100% impossible to have a debate with someone who shuts you down with ignorance and calls you racist.
this is not a debate.
this is you firing a shotgun of bigoted generalisations and being offended when called on it
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Facts do not care about your feelings, or being racist, or being politically correct.
I base my point of view from facts, and not feelings, or worried if they might be racist.
cool. if u say so 
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You actually had to nerve to tell me i should be shut down because it's hate speech and racist.
it should and it is, you should stfu
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Sorry man, but i don't need to study the entire quran
hmm lets cherry pick some verses of the bible to divine the history of christianity and the organisation of the catholic church. wow anthropology, so easy
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to read a few verses that violently depict and back up literally EVERY claim i've made in this argument.
u quoted some text u know nothing about in order to justify ur 'claims' such as
- muslims are primitive
- muslims will kill you if you dont convert
- the only real muslims are terrorists
- muslims are trying to take over the world
- muslims are incestuous pedophile lovers
you said all of that bigoted crap right?
but you arent a racist just going off the 'facts' we are the ones who are 'ignorant'..
u r a terribly confused person.
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But you tell me there just based off racism. No, i said something about the muslim culture, not middle eastern culture (which is although mostly based off islam.) in case you forgot the difference between race and religion.
you cant sidestep being racist on a technicality. all the same shit buddy you stereotype, label a huge swath of people as primitive, other, untrustworthy, violent, fearful..
the same as antisemitism, as racism, call it what you like, 'islamaphobia' it doesnt change its the same thing based on ignorance and bigotry.
that you claim not to be talking about 'middle eastern culture' shows you are ignorant of the fact only 20% of muslims are from there.. but ur not racist
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You WANT these quotes to be out of context, but they aren't. Doesn't take a a muslim or Quran "scpecialist"
quoting a small paragraph is literally what being out of context is. it doesnt take a specialist but at least someone who understands how the quaran is used in everyday life. as i said us jews have the same stuff but the tiny fraction of jewish fundamentalists does not reflect the lived jewish culture.
i have no desire to continue this discussion. i completely understand chibiabos when they say theyre 'too tired to tear through all of that crap'
See you keep doing exactly what I say you're doing. You have literally NOTHING to argue against so you call my claims racist and bigoted in order to shut me down so I don't get heard. Jesus Christ man wake the fuck up. These words are not real. They were invented by raging politically correct people like yourself, because you don't actually have an intelligent argument.
You call quoting verses to back up my claims bigoted, but they literally back up EVERY one of my claims, and I didn't say muslims were primitive, but there sure as hell a lot more primitive than we are. Go on bestgore.com right now. Almost every single video has to do with muslims doing some absolutely inhuman disgusting shit.
All this bullshit needs to stop, and peoples opinions need to be heard, without being shot down from some bullshit social hierarchy. This is fucking ridiculous right now.
It's like arguing a goddamn 13 year old, no counter arguments whatsoever. Just "YOUR RACIST, BIGOTED, NO VALID POINTS, NOTHING YOU SAY MATTER BECAUSE I CALLED YOU RACIST AND A BIGOT."
I love how you resort to saying only 20% of the worlds muslims live in the middle east, well theres 1.6 billion muslims in the world. 20% of that is 320 million, or as many people in the United States. You pass it off like it's insignificant.
But that's literally all the people that live in the middle east
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If anyone would like to come by and have an intelligent debate about my claims and not just silence me by calling me racist and bigoted, You're more than welcome.
Rational people can do this, apparently Quinn is unable.
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We had a similar thread a whike ago where white beard tried to justify that all islam is terrorists. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22520776#22520776 Guess why he deleted his mails ?
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