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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker] * 1
    #24397985 - 06/11/17 08:12 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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the UK now more than ever. Poland has very strict regulations on immigration, that's why they have virtually no terrorist attacks.



the uk attacks were not by refugees?

conflating refugees with terrorism seems common fuzzy and racist thinking

the refugee crisis is a problem, its not because of islam tho but power grabs and armed militias funded by often foreign powers that's made much of the middle east dangerous and uninhabitable

its needs to be addressed and for UK for example who were involved since ww1, who were active players in the current syrian crisis and who have overthrown governments in the name of 'british' petroleum (BP) to not take any responsibility for the human suffering is gross imo

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Yeah, we dont hold white people responsible for that. But how is that even related? that's a race, islam is a set of beliefs.




white supremacy is also a set of beliefs?

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Do you know why islam has the highest conversion rate of any religion? Because they either manipulate you, or most of the time kill you for not converting.



'most of the time kill you'

wow total bs


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24398012 - 06/11/17 08:23 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Uh, the guy in "Jihadis Next Door" was a refugee

The attack before that, happened by a son of refugees.

Plus, ISIS said they will come in through the refugee system, and they undoubtedly are.

Theres a reason Dubai won't accept refugees, and than when you hate on the refugees your a racist and islamaphobe. Words like those two, are words to shut down people opinions. political correctness is destroying free speech.

Muslims get killed by other fundamental muslims because they are not actually following the real religion,

"Not equal are those of the believers who sit , except those who are disabled , and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit .Unto each, Allah has promised good , but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit by a huge reward "

This is a great verse to back up my last statement


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker]
    #24398241 - 06/11/17 10:08 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Uh, the guy in "Jihadis Next Door" was a refugee

The attack before that, happened by a son of refugees.

Plus, ISIS said they will come in through the refugee system, and they undoubtedly are.




they would say that. and if they are that doesnt stop the refugee crises that is a human crises. refugees in syria were BOMBED by isis. innocent people, families, kids, without proper food and medical care, ripped from their homes by war and not even safe in places of refuge. wth is that. they didnt arm isis or the rebel insurgents or support Assad and yet here they are with nowhere to go and no one to take them.

be afraid of the possible isis terrorists but that wont make those families go away.

it wont stop them fleeing a situation that's seen almost half a million people killed and 6 million displaced.. a situation that UK had a hand in creating

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Theres a reason Dubai won't accept refugees, and than when you hate on the refugees your a racist and islamaphobe. Words like those two, are words to shut down people opinions. political correctness is destroying free speech.



'if dubai does it it's ok'?

it's just correctly labelling it. hate speech based on ignorance and generalisations should be shut down.

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Muslims get killed by other fundamental muslims because they are not actually following the real religion,




wow the tiny fraction of radical belligerents disowned by the majority represents the real religion :facepalm:

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"Not equal are those of the believers who sit , except those who are disabled , and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit .Unto each, Allah has promised good , but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit by a huge reward "

This is a great verse to back up my last statement



again quoting from a source you know nothing about :rolleyes:


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn] * 1
    #24398904 - 06/12/17 08:17 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

You're clearly extremely ignorant and this debate is going absolutely nowhere because you cannot seem to accept facts not based on generalizations or ignorance.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker]
    #24399364 - 06/12/17 12:04 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Those who preach the sword, shall die by it.
Those whose words are sharp like swords, will prevail.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker]
    #24399419 - 06/12/17 12:27 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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You're clearly extremely ignorant and this debate is going absolutely nowhere because you cannot seem to accept facts not based on generalizations or ignorance.




A lot of posters here would rather virtue signal than do any real thinking. Sad really.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #24399477 - 06/12/17 12:53 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Some criminals kidnapped Islam and go rampage with it.

Their goal is only worldly powers and pleasure.

Don't get fooled.

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Re: Islamophobia [Re: BlueCoyote] * 1
    #24399709 - 06/12/17 02:27 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Some criminals kidnapped Islam and go rampage with it.

Their goal is only worldly powers and pleasure.

Don't get fooled.

:shrug:




You mean the people blowing themselves up?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: viktor]
    #24399939 - 06/12/17 03:49 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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You're clearly extremely ignorant and this debate is going absolutely nowhere because you cannot seem to accept facts not based on generalizations or ignorance.




A lot of posters here would rather virtue signal than do any real thinking. Sad really.



you'd think the ego wouldn't be so strong on here.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: Rahz]
    #24399959 - 06/12/17 03:56 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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Rahz said:
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BlueCoyote said:
Some criminals kidnapped Islam and go rampage with it.

Their goal is only worldly powers and pleasure.

Don't get fooled.

:shrug:




You mean the people blowing themselves up?



Those who use them for their goals and tell them bullshit or don't hinder them.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: The lurker] * 1
    #24400177 - 06/12/17 05:15 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

for all who missed this fun exchange i will kindly sum it up for you

lurker: *comes onto the shroomery*
has not read the quaran, has not studied the quaran, has never spoken to a Muslim abt the quaran or probably abt anything at all
*quotes from quaran damning the entire religion of 1000s year history followed by 1.6 billion ppl*

me:
thanks for ur uninformed opinion.

lurker:
no!.. look at facts!:
Islam is trying to take over the world, is backward, worships war and paedophilia and incest, will kill u if u don't covert, terrorists are the only 'real' muslims

me:
thx for the facts. too bad they aren't facts & extremely racist :thumbup:

lurker:
y u no lisen to facts?
:yuno:

u ignorant
y u hate free speech?
:yuno:

victor:
i said, a word!
:durrhurr:

lurker:
the ego, it strong in that one..
:bliss:

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it would be funny if your idiotic racist opinions weren't so commonplace


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn] * 1
    #24400397 - 06/12/17 06:47 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

Syrian Refugee Crisis?



Please point out the children, women and old people in this photo. Perhaps the fact that most are men in the 18 to 35 yo range, and come from a culture/religion where women are second class citizens, explains much of the rape crisis in Europe.

Perhaps it is "racist" (what race are we talking about?) to notice the enormous spike in rapes in Europe that correspond exactly to areas with the highest population of refugees.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #24400485 - 06/12/17 07:24 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

the whole fucking world comes from a culture where women r second class citizens :nut:

idk what that photo is or what ur trying to say? there are women in the back & gender segregation is still enforced in judaeism, in the church, in British traditional dance & like with anything there r ppl pushing for change & ppl resisting :shrug:

we r all still coming out of historically sexist cultures not out & each fight is different.

i also think it's unfair too to compare a person's morality from a stable developed safe modern country, where they have access to healthcare, education, even the internet, to a person fleeing a poor war torn underdeveloped country controlled by a brutal despot.

rape is aweful & needs to be addressed & happens in even the most afluent places no need to conflate it simply with a religion


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #24400488 - 06/12/17 07:25 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

They all look vicious to me.
Meaning war and hate when disguised as peace symbols.

There are plenty of gatherings in your culture where you would mostly see males.
Generally protest is one of them.
Along with.
Priests.
Coporate.
Football matches.
Spas.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24400740 - 06/12/17 09:10 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

quinn said:


i also think it's unfair too to compare a person's morality from a stable developed safe modern country, where they have access to healthcare, education, even the internet, to a person fleeing a poor war torn underdeveloped country controlled by a brutal despot.





That's why it makes no sense for developed nations to accept third world migrants into their countries. 

Also, the vast majority aren't a fleeing a war torn nation, they're fleeing poverty and seeking a better life, who could blame them?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: redgreenvines]
    #24400907 - 06/12/17 10:30 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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there was a time when northern ireland was more volatile. much more volatile. the IRA being mostly but not completely active in great britain.

islamic fundamentalism on the other hand is already everywhere, but being islamophobic wont help find the 1 in 100 muslim persons who may sympathize or actually be a fundamentalist.

we do however need to know how terrorists arm themselves and communicate so that they can be prevented from arming themselves while exposing each other.

this is not about immigration, it is about artificial intelligence and 100% surveillance of every-ones' communications, starting, like 7 years ago, and increasing rapidly.

phobias are not healthy, nor is paranoia




Not participating in the main argument but I just wanna say, Northern Ireland was never like Syria or Iraq, not even close. All three decades of the Troubles in Ireland killed 3,500 people. The battle of Mosul alone has killed many times more people than that. Terrorist attacks by jihadists in the past two decades in areas of the world that aren't even in the Middle East, and the Middle East is where over 99% of the violence is happening, exceed the death toll of the Troubles in Ireland.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn] * 1
    #24400937 - 06/12/17 10:46 PM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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the whole fucking world comes from a culture where women r second class citizens :nut:

idk what that photo is or what ur trying to say? there are women in the back & gender segregation is still enforced in judaeism, in the church, in British traditional dance & like with anything there r ppl pushing for change & ppl resisting :shrug:

we r all still coming out of historically sexist cultures not out & each fight is different.

i also think it's unfair too to compare a person's morality from a stable developed safe modern country, where they have access to healthcare, education, even the internet, to a person fleeing a poor war torn underdeveloped country controlled by a brutal despot.

rape is aweful & needs to be addressed & happens in even the most afluent places no need to conflate it simply with a religion




Once again I'm gonna butt in here and say that women are definitely not second class citizens in developed countries. Quite frankly, the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction with men being disadvantaged in almost every system you can think of. Girls are more likely to graduate high school, far more likely to go to a four year university, women are twice as likely to be hired straight out of college as an equally qualified man. Men are 76% of homicide victims, 80% of suicide victims, 61% of those who are homeless, and 93% of workplace fatalities. Women win in 84% of child custody cases. Male criminals convicted of the same crimes as female criminals get 63% higher sentences, female criminals are significantly more likely to avoid charges and conviction entirely if arrested, and twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted.

And to talk of all the different social advantages? Holy shit, we could be here all day.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: quinn]
    #24401152 - 06/13/17 01:34 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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there are women in the back



They are European women witnessing the gathering, not Syrian women seeking asylum. :rolleyes:

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rape is aweful & needs to be addressed & happens in even the most afluent places no need to conflate it simply with a religion



There may be no need if you want to avoid reality. Sweden was long rated one of the safest and happiest countries in the world until recently. Since accepting refugees and other Muslim immigrants, rape has increased almost 1500%.

Win-win, right?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: pineninja]
    #24401158 - 06/13/17 01:45 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

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They all look vicious to me.
Meaning war and hate when disguised as peace symbols.

There are plenty of gatherings in your culture where you would mostly see males.
Generally protest is one of them.
Along with.
Priests.
Coporate.
Football matches.
Spas.




Do some research instead of listing irrelevancies. Demographics show that recent Muslim immigration to all European nations skews heavily male.



Wow! Look at all those women and children!


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: triphead9428]
    #24401298 - 06/13/17 04:21 AM (6 years, 7 months ago)

@qmann
i disagree but anyway we were discussing refugees

@triphead
im not getting sucked into a stat off. historically with few exceptions women have been second class citizens in every culture.

this has only begun to change in the last 100 years it seems largely thanks to industrialisation and technologies of violence, surveillance and bureaucracy.

the hangover of cultures dominated by men and physical force is still here. many of the stats you quote don't mention the darker underside that men are the greater perpetrators of homicide, rape, domestic & physical violence.

@OC
look dude do you expect a woman with dependant children to go on an overcrowded leaky vessel sailing across the ocean like that?

c'mon

clearly the war in Syria doesn't discriminate about who's house will be destroyed or which people will be displaced... of which there are over 6 million, half of which are children.

idk anything about sweden. i do know there are plenty of countries with huge muslim populations that dont exhibit higher rape stats.


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