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    #23844920 - 11/18/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A phobia is an irrational fear.

Is it irrational to fear people who would readily kill you over a cartoon, would behead you for not accepting their religion, who would blow themselves up in the marketplace while killing others, whose core book demands the deaths of non-believers? Need I continue?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 3
    #23844978 - 11/18/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Need I continue?




That depends on what you consider your needs to be. If you are islamophobic and want to refine your categories such that you no longer fear harm at the hands of 23% of humans, then yeah, you probably should continue.



Also, consider arachnophobia.

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More than 43,000 different species of spiders are found in the world. Of these, only a small number are said to be dangerous, and less than 30 (less than one-tenth of one percent) have been responsible for human deaths.




https://www.britannica.com/list/9-of-the-worlds-deadliest-spiders


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: DisoRDeR]
    #23845384 - 11/18/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Rape is up 4,000% in Sweden in the last decade due to predominantly Muslim refugees with similar stats in other European countries with a large influx of refugees. They bring with them a certain viewpoint of non-Muslim women that makes them fair game.

If you lived near such a concentration of immigrants, would you let your daughter or wife go out unescorted?

I would wager that 99+% of all beheadings and suicide bombers in the last few decades are perpetrated by Muslims.

No spiders blow people up. :nono:


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23845421 - 11/18/16 02:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

50% of Australians want an end to Muslim immigration.

Our Trump is Pauline Hanson. She recently won a few seats and also congratulated Trump + USA's choice on air.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: beforethedawn]
    #23845473 - 11/18/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Of course! It is a toxic culture/religion.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 2
    #23845528 - 11/18/16 03:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Of course! It is a toxic culture/religion.



It wasn't always that way, neither is the religion as a whole. First take a look at Indonesia, they are a Muslim country who were one of the first people to elect a woman leader, and they seem to be doing pretty well.

I'm not entirely sure how to true this is, but i was under the impression that ultimate religious martyrdom, suicide bombing, was started as a Syrian intelligence operation put into place by Bashar Assad's father as political tactic for a means to start the unification of the arab state under his contol. Which then was adopted by more radical extremists, which caused a snowball effect, creating the uncontrollable state of chaos the sects of Islam are now in.

Nowhere in the Koran does it condone suicide martyrdom for anything. I dont think Islam is to fully blame, its a VERY complicated situation over there which shouldnt be simplified to a single finger point.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: concretelush]
    #23845542 - 11/18/16 03:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The root cause I don't much care about. I doubt those reporters who were beheading made excuses for their captors/killers.

Bottom line: a Middle Eastern Muslim who comes to the USA or the UK is magnitudes safer than a Christian of European ancestry going into many Middle Eastern countries.

Almost ALL of the "no-go" zones throughout Europe are Muslim. What does this tell us?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 5
    #23845672 - 11/18/16 03:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The root cause I don't much care about.



There in lies your misunderstanding.

So when you study a plant you ignore the roots, those dont matter? No foundations for Orgone?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #23845714 - 11/18/16 03:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Is it irrational to fear people who would readily kill you over...




OK, if you wanna get super rational let's use math

What are the chances of an islamic extremist killing or harming you in any serious way?  Pretty slim, right?

So when is fear irrational?  When the fear does not have a preserving or protecting influence on your life? 

How is it rational to fear something that isn't going to happen?  Something like becoming a victim of islamic extremism? 

According to math, we all should have an extreme fear of traveling in an automobile.  Forget this islamaphobia stuff, let's start a popular trend of people having a sober fear of dying in a car accident.  I think terrorist, and car crash are comparatively gruesome ways to die.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: Hippocampus]
    #23845756 - 11/18/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Would you go to Iraq? Yes or no?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23845956 - 11/18/16 05:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

No


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 1
    #23846247 - 11/18/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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OrgoneConclusion said:
A phobia is an irrational fear.

Is it irrational to fear people who would readily kill you over a cartoon, would behead you for not accepting their religion, who would blow themselves up in the marketplace while killing others, whose core book demands the deaths of non-believers? Need I continue?




Yes.  You believe in the mainstream story, shaking in your boots over a story that you were told.  It's the War Of Terror, not the War On Terror.  You probably believe it's good that we are in Afghanistan guarding poppy fields to protect farmers producing heroin to provide money to the black organizations parading as do gooders too. You need a wake up call as to what's really going on, if you fear some jihadist blasting himself up on your porch.  Need I continue?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23846264 - 11/18/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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A phobia is an irrational fear.

Is it irrational to fear people who would readily kill you over a cartoon, would behead you for not accepting their religion, who would blow themselves up in the marketplace while killing others, whose core book demands the deaths of non-believers? Need I continue?




there are many dangers in the world

there are all sorts of neighborhoods where jews, or whites or blacks or non chinese or non mafia  etc etc are not safe

the world is out of control
hence some street smarts  and good luck are necessary to survive for even a short while

raising a big fuss about all of the injustices is a full time occupation
the radio station NPR does a good job of keeping it up night and day
and I guess it makes some intellectual types feel they are well informed
but the emotional tone is like a stuck record

I have cut my listening way back

as many of the wise have pointed out
there are more fruitful and healthier ways to use the mind
and our time here is rather limited


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: laughingdog]
    #23846384 - 11/18/16 07:32 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

there was a time when northern ireland was more volatile. much more volatile. the IRA being mostly but not completely active in great britain.

islamic fundamentalism on the other hand is already everywhere, but being islamophobic wont help find the 1 in 100 muslim persons who may sympathize or actually be a fundamentalist.

we do however need to know how terrorists arm themselves and communicate so that they can be prevented from arming themselves while exposing each other.

this is not about immigration, it is about artificial intelligence and 100% surveillance of every-ones' communications, starting, like 7 years ago, and increasing rapidly.

phobias are not healthy, nor is paranoia


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23846416 - 11/18/16 07:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Number of atheists blowing themselves or buildings up for God?

Absolute Zero! (Brrrr!) :cookiemonster:


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: laughingdog]
    #23846428 - 11/18/16 07:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/2367/european-muslim-no-go-zones

751 "No Go" zones in France alone, where non-Muslims are not welcome and are likely to be beaten, if not killed.

Nowhere is there a list of French neighborhoods where Muslims are risking life and limb. It is not even remotely in balance with hatred even on both sides. :nono:


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23846611 - 11/18/16 08:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It is not even remotely in balance with hatred even on both sides. :nono:




listen to yourself
you are complaining that the world isn't fair

you are not in charge of France
why are you upsetting yourself?

what do you think complaining that the world isn't fair will accomplish?

I suppose in this day and age and place if you were running for office it might get you elected, are you running for an office?


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: laughingdog]
    #23846673 - 11/18/16 09:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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you are complaining that the world isn't fair




No. I am saying that a rational fear is not a phobia.

If it were only radicals you might have a point, but it is not. The entire thrust of the religion is to convert or kill the non-believers. At the very least, they want to impose their laws wherever they go rather than integrate.

They will even tell you so, it is just that most don't act out publicly when in a minority, but given sufficient numbers, the story quickly changes.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23847275 - 11/19/16 12:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It doesnt matter. There are always kill zones. Fear cant save you form a bombing. Everyone hates everyone. Also Timothy Mcveigh didnt beleive in god. Blows up stuff good. So burrrn.
No one ever talks about Buddhist attacking us but it can happen just like it did long ago.


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Re: Islamophobia [Re: OrgoneConclusion] * 5
    #23847683 - 11/19/16 08:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Number of atheists blowing themselves or buildings up for God?

Absolute Zero! (Brrrr!) :cookiemonster:




ahemm. when they go  "Allah Akbar" before exploding they are not thinking of god, but of duty to their (crazy) cause. Like all soldiers, they do not question their role.
the way they are trained to do it is like this, you yell out and then you blow up. DONE.

it's not religion so much as indoctrination to a political cause that they have fallen in with.

sure some dream of virgins, so do many dope fiends.
maybe that is religious, but virgins occur (briefly) in all races.

terrorism does not include all or even a majority of all muslims. wide brush xenophobia is their problem too, if you adopt it you are in the same boat.

Don't go for simple solutions for complex multi-generational vendetta type problems which is what underlies terrorist rebels, and demented fundamentalists.


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