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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23912322 - 12/10/16 07:18 AM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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It's been explained how Fox is right wing, CNN is establishment, and MSNBC is left wing.




No, it's been explained that you and some others think it is. That doesn't make it so.

Perhaps you and BBW can take turns patting each other on the back.

This is an example of the arrogance of the left.




You are such a crybaby.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Big Bear] * 1
    #23912951 - 12/10/16 12:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CNN is a fucking joke.  Cable news as a whole is a  joke.  I'm left wing as hell but if you think CNN is that much different than fox you're just kidding yourself. May as well be called an entertainment source at this point, because neither of them should be considered credible




Neither of them are credible. I wasn't making the case that they are, however, CNN is not liberal. MSN is liberal.

Also, FOX News literally manufactures fear with things like 'the war on christmas', out of mid air. CNN doesn't do that. The 'war on christmas' is an ongoing theme for Fox "News", and it is literally a false they have fabricated entirely!

Also, as has been stated numerous times, Fox News'audience has been show to be less informed about the world than people who watch no news whatsoever. The same can't be said of a single other news organization. Fox News viewers still think there was a connection between Iraq and 9/11.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23913024 - 12/10/16 12:45 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
It's been explained how Fox is right wing, CNN is establishment, and MSNBC is left wing.




No, it's been explained that you and some others think it is. That doesn't make it so.

Perhaps you and BBW can take turns patting each other on the back.

This is an example of the arrogance of the left.




You are such a crybaby.




Yeah... LDS doesn't ever really seem to add much, but never fails to bring his superiority and condescension into the conversation.

Now I know he will say that I am arrogant and condescending... And my response will be, 'why yes, yes am I indeed!", but I also bring facts and logic to the table, instead of opinion alone. When confronted with facts and logic, LDS doesn't make a counterargument, he makes a :lolsy: face.

That's all well and good, but I don't have time for 'it is cuz I say it is (or cuz I laugh at you)'. Now he will accuse me of doing the same thing, which is not the case, and I think we don't need to have this stupid fucking conversation.

If the guy in the 'middle' can't see a difference from me, you, and falcon 'circle jerking' after days of tediously dispelling wave after wave of terrible or even outright fallacious arguments, and burgerbrain, Hu, Qman and the like tittie bumping over who made the loudest fart sound, well, it pains me to say it, but I fear that the cancer has metastasized.

If LDS is in the middle, based on the criteria he has given, I suppose I am quite the centrist myself. There are a good 3 non-liberal positions I happen to hold also! I believe women already have pay equity, I am pro-vaccine, pro second ammendment rights, and pro-GMO.

On a side note, you know why right wingers despise educational institutions? Their positions are untenable in a place where critical thinking and logic is celebrated. They are much more welcome among the religious community. They have an affinity for embracing unsubstantiated bullshit.

Now Qman will post a video of a bunch of college students acting like idiots, and ask us to disregard the advances of the 20th and 21st century due to education and intellectual persuits, as he finds his video clip to be quite compelling. Falcon will tell him that one snippet of reality isn't representative of the whole of reality. Qman will have to look up the word 'myopia'...

Its all really just so stupid, and yes, I have become arrogant whilst I sit in the company of mental midgets. I assure you, this is the only place in my life that I have ever been so arrogant, and that arrogance is encouraged daily.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23913075 - 12/10/16 01:08 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CNN is a fucking joke.  Cable news as a whole is a  joke.  I'm left wing as hell but if you think CNN is that much different than fox you're just kidding yourself. May as well be called an entertainment source at this point, because neither of them should be considered credible




Neither of them are credible. I wasn't making the case that they are, however, CNN is not liberal. MSN is liberal.

Also, FOX News literally manufactures fear with things like 'the war on christmas', out of mid air. CNN doesn't do that. The 'war on christmas' is an ongoing theme for Fox "News", and it is literally a false they have fabricated entirely!




Nothing that's bad is liberal!:psycrankey:

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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23913098 - 12/10/16 01:16 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

*Pats The Ecstatic on the back* I almost forgot! You are super cool, great, and awesome!  (yes, I borrowed Trumps 5 page dictionary to make sure I got this post exactly... The greatest!)

Super cool, great, and awesome, because you're not a mindless fucking idiot. Apparently recognizing that offends some people around here, yet Qman finds my arguments ineffective if they don't include a tittie bump from meh Bernie Bros.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23913103 - 12/10/16 01:18 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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*Pats The Ecstatic on the back* I almost forgot! You are super cool, great, and awesome!  (yes, I borrowed Trumps 5 page dictionary to make sure I got this post exactly... The greatest!)

Super cool, great, and awesome, because you're not a mindless fucking idiot. Apparently recognizing that offends some people around here, yet Qman finds my arguments ineffective if they don't include a tittie bump from meh Bernie Bros.




Translation: "Der dem cons der is dum, we librawls the bast "


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23913139 - 12/10/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah... LDS doesn't ever really seem to add much, but never fails to bring his superiority and condescension into the conversation.

Now I know he will say that I am arrogant and condescending... And my response will be, 'why yes, yes am I indeed!", but I also bring facts and logic to the table, instead of opinion alone. When confronted with facts and logic, LDS doesn't make a counterargument, he makes a :lolsy: face.

That's all well and good, but I don't have time for 'it is cuz I say it is (or cuz I laugh at you)'. Now he will accuse me of doing the same thing, which is not the case, and I think we don't need to have this stupid fucking conversation.

If the guy in the 'middle' can't see a difference from me, you, and falcon 'circle jerking' after days of tediously dispelling wave after wave of terrible or even outright fallacious arguments, and burgerbrain, Hu, Qman and the like tittie bumping over who made the loudest fart sound, well, it pains me to say it, but I fear that the cancer has metastasized.

If LDS is in the middle, based on the criteria he has given, I suppose I am quite the centrist myself.
There are a good 3 non-liberal positions I happen to hold also! I believe women already have pay equity, I am pro-vaccine, pro second ammendment rights, and pro-GMO.

On a side note, you know why right wingers despise educational institutions? Their positions are untenable in a place where critical thinking and logic is celebrated. They are much more welcome among the religious community. They have an affinity for embracing unsubstantiated bullshit.

Now Qman will post a video of a bunch of college students acting like idiots, and ask us to disregard the advances of the 20th and 21st century due to education and intellectual persuits, as he finds his video clip to be quite compelling. Falcon will tell him that one snippet of reality isn't representative of the whole of reality. Qman will have to look up the word 'myopia'...

Its all really just so stupid, and yes, I have become arrogant whilst I sit in the company of mental midgets. I assure you, this is the only place in my life that I have ever been so arrogant, and that arrogance is encouraged daily.





10/10 however, at the risk of derailing the thread, i would like to make one distinction here in regard to being pro or anti-GMO.
Many people might say that I am anti-GMO, and indeed, I find myself arguing the positions of the anti-GMO crowd, though not usually for the same reasons.  In reality, however I consider myself quite pro-GMO.  Indeed, genetic biotech will be the computer tech of this century, IMO.  I have no doubt, that humanity will reach the level of genomic fluency, and when that day comes, the design and creation of ideal organisms for almost any purpose will become commonplace. We are not there yet, even by the most optimistic estimates.  The problem arises from the fact that once new genetics are introduced to the wild, there is no practicable way to take them back.  The scales involved in modern agriculture mean that any unforeseen mistakes could become rapidly catastrophic.  I don't think that a frank acknowledgement of the risk involved should necessarily bring the label of "anti-GMO" upon someone.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23913201 - 12/10/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Doesn't all GMO talk get moved to the conspiracy forum?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23913210 - 12/10/16 01:55 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I don't know, does it?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23913337 - 12/10/16 02:40 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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I don't know, does it?




I don't know, I really don't partake in the gmo/conspiracy chat so when it's moved it doesn't really effect me

I thought I read somewhere it did :shrug:


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: hostileuniverse]
    #23913369 - 12/10/16 02:50 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I know Enlil doesn't think much of any sort of debate on GMOs, so i wouldn't be surprised at an admonishment were he to ever post again, but i doubt that he would move this thread if there were a handful of posts on the subject.  To be fair, I was just clarifying a position, and did not and do not intend to derail this thread into a debate on GMOs


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: ballsalsa] * 1
    #23913461 - 12/10/16 03:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

I can understand the anti-monsanto crowd somewhat, but not the anti-gmo crowd. GMO's will continue coming, regardless. I think the pressure on Monsanto will only push them to develope better and better products, so I don't mind that.

What I was really getting at, is that just because you support one or two matters of personal liberty, doesn't mean you can't bd conservative, or make you a centrist. There are some conservatives who believe that people should have rights.

The fact that I am pro-vaccing, pro-gmo, generally pro gun, and stand in opposition to the SJW branch of left wing politics, doesn't mean I'm not a lefty. It doesn't make me a centrist either. I probably wouldn't technically qualify as a liberal though.

Left and right are very large tents. Most people fit into one of those tents, broadly speaking. Left and right are broad terms.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23913514 - 12/10/16 03:36 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

point well made.

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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23914030 - 12/10/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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luvdemshrooms said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said:
It's been explained how Fox is right wing, CNN is establishment, and MSNBC is left wing.




No, it's been explained that you and some others think it is. That doesn't make it so.

Perhaps you and BBW can take turns patting each other on the back.

This is an example of the arrogance of the left.




You are such a crybaby.




Yeah... LDS doesn't ever really seem to add much, but never fails to bring his superiority and condescension into the conversation.

Now I know he will say that I am arrogant and condescending... And my response will be, 'why yes, yes am I indeed!", but I also bring facts and logic to the table, instead of opinion alone. When confronted with facts and logic, LDS doesn't make a counterargument, he makes a :lolsy: face.

That's all well and good, but I don't have time for 'it is cuz I say it is (or cuz I laugh at you)'. Now he will accuse me of doing the same thing, which is not the case, and I think we don't need to have this stupid fucking conversation.

If the guy in the 'middle' can't see a difference from me, you, and falcon 'circle jerking' after days of tediously dispelling wave after wave of terrible or even outright fallacious arguments, and burgerbrain, Hu, Qman and the like tittie bumping over who made the loudest fart sound, well, it pains me to say it, but I fear that the cancer has metastasized.

If LDS is in the middle, based on the criteria he has given, I suppose I am quite the centrist myself. There are a good 3 non-liberal positions I happen to hold also! I believe women already have pay equity, I am pro-vaccine, pro second ammendment rights, and pro-GMO.

On a side note, you know why right wingers despise educational institutions? Their positions are untenable in a place where critical thinking and logic is celebrated. They are much more welcome among the religious community. They have an affinity for embracing unsubstantiated bullshit.

Now Qman will post a video of a bunch of college students acting like idiots, and ask us to disregard the advances of the 20th and 21st century due to education and intellectual persuits, as he finds his video clip to be quite compelling. Falcon will tell him that one snippet of reality isn't representative of the whole of reality. Qman will have to look up the word 'myopia'...

Its all really just so stupid, and yes, I have become arrogant whilst I sit in the company of mental midgets. I assure you, this is the only place in my life that I have ever been so arrogant, and that arrogance is encouraged daily.




So where are the left wingers?  Are they in financial institutions?  NO.  Are they in military institutions? NO. Are they in business institutions?  NO.  Why is that?  Because true liberalism does NOT function in the real world, it only  exists in the theoretical world at the university classroom.

"sit in the company of mental midgets"

You're arrogant because you're too close minded to even recognize how limited your thinking is on most issues, that's why you resort to name calling with people that disagree with your opinion, that's called being not only arrogant, but also childish and foolish.

At least Fal can challenge me with economic debates even if he's usually wrong, you can't even do that. :shrug:


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman] * 1
    #23914047 - 12/10/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So where are the left wingers?  Are they in financial institutions?  NO.  Are they in military institutions? NO. Are they in business institutions?  NO.




lol....where do you come up with this shit? Climb out from under your rock.

and then have the nerve to say this:

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You're arrogant because you're too close minded to even recognize how limited your thinking is on most issues





You literally believe the 3 largest industries (probably) in the nation are wholly comprised of people who share your views, but have the nerve to lecture others on being close minded and arrogant.

You never used to be this bad. I think you drank a little too much partisan juice when Trump won, idk.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23914105 - 12/10/16 06:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So where are the left wingers?  Are they in financial institutions?  NO.  Are they in military institutions? NO. Are they in business institutions?  NO.




lol....where do you come up with this shit? Climb out from under your rock.

and then have the nerve to say this:

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You're arrogant because you're too close minded to even recognize how limited your thinking is on most issues





You literally believe the 3 largest industries (probably) in the nation are wholly comprised of people who share your views, but have the nerve to lecture others on being close minded and arrogant.

You never used to be this bad. I think you drank a little too much partisan juice when Trump won, idk.




"people who share your views"

It has nothing to do with me and my views, but I can assure you they don't hold radical liberal views.

CEO's aren't the type of people that look out for other people and their well being, it's about the bottom line, but you know that already so why are you playing dumb on this issue?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman] * 1
    #23914115 - 12/10/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Hell, the people in true power wouldn't even let Bernie have a chance to run against Trump, has that not taught you anything about where these liberals are in the most powerful nation in the world?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman] * 1
    #23914229 - 12/10/16 06:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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So where are the left wingers?  Are they in financial institutions?




The financial institutions that have been fucking this country over for decades? No. Of course not! They're conservatives, because conservatives condone fucking over this country, while crying like little bitch cunts about some jackoff not standing for the pledge. Sure, raid the treasury, but don't you dare avoid the call to symbolically demonstrate your brainwashed nationalism!

Though, I did manage to wrangle this juicy piece up for you, on the matter.

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When Dan Price, founder and CEO of the Seattle-based credit-card-payment processing firm Gravity Payments, announced he was raising the company's minimum salary to $70,000 a year, he was met with overwhelming enthusiasm.




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Are they in military institutions? NO.




http://vetsforbernie.org/2016/03/military-supports-bernie-sanders/

"Who Are Bernie Sanders’ Top Contributors? Active Duty Army, Navy, & Air Force, That’s Who"

Obama received $678,611 to Romney's $398,450 in donations.

Tulsi Gabbard, ex-military, left the DNC to support Bernie Sanders.

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Are they in business institutions?  NO.




Oh, you mean the business institutions that have been fucking over American workers for decades? You mean the wall street guys who are trying to ease regulations so they can monopolize markets?

Well, yes, there are some decent people to be found here also. A plutocratic 0.01%er (that's 1 percent of 1 percent):



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Why is that?  Because true liberalism does NOT function in the real world, it only  exists in the theoretical world at the university classroom.




Prove it.

True liberalism. Ok, well, I'm not really a 'liberal', by the definition of that word, but leftist politics surely do function in the world, in many places, and have for a very long time. In fact, if you care to look back into American history, leftist economics were employed in the greatest generations of our nation's past. FDR's America.

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"sit in the company of mental midgets"

You're arrogant because you're too close minded to even recognize how limited your thinking is on most issues, that's why you resort to name calling with people that disagree with your opinion, that's called being not only arrogant, but also childish and foolish.




My opinion is full of demonstrable facts, as illustrated above.

Your thinking is limited Qman. You don't allow reason or facts to enter the Q-sphere. You never prove anything you say. You're all fucking hot air. So the next time you wish to make a claim, prove it. Prove something Qman. Prove one god damn thing that you say, just one fucking time, please.

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At least Fal can challenge me with economic debates even if he's usually wrong, you can't even do that. :shrug:




:laugh2:

Oh, that's right, because every time I do, I'm 'changing the subject', correct? You don't possess the faculties to process the points I make, because you're one of the aforementioned folks that make me so arrogant.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23914251 - 12/10/16 06:52 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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CEO's aren't the type of people that look out for other people and their well being, it's about the bottom line




Oh really? You might care to view these, and expand your horizons:



And

Gravity Payments' $70K minimum salary: CEO Dan Price shares result over a year later


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23914260 - 12/10/16 06:54 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Hell, the people in true power wouldn't even let Bernie have a chance to run against Trump, has that not taught you anything about where these liberals are in the most powerful nation in the world?




... So you're a proud defender of corrupt news organizations and political parties?


I just want to take a moment to revel in the fact that all of your shitty arguments (which you have provided no support for, as usual) have once again been crushed, by yours truly.

You know, if you only include the Navy and Air Force, the most intelligence based branches of military, the majority are left leaning.

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At least Fal can challenge me with economic debates even if he's usually wrong, you can't even do that.




Lol... What economic issue have you bested Falcon on? I'm truly curious. Is it because you couldn't understand the fact? I'd bet money on it. Link me to it!

I've proven you wrong on every stupid thing you've decided to allow roll off your fingertips in the past month! Look here, I've done it again! You're butthurt by my arrogance, and that's why you write these well established untruths. Lie to yourself all you like, you're not fooling any of us. You're in the company of HU and Burgerbrain, and you wish to claim superior intellectual prowess lmao!


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