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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Great Scott] * 2
    #23903145 - 12/07/16 12:12 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
Socialism and societal decay go hand in hand.




Nearly all of the poorest 50% of nations on earth are capitalist.


But hey, Venezuela is collapsing due to oil prices so......checkmate socialism.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23903306 - 12/07/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
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You have no idea how hard it is to start up with all the taxes and regulation bullshit.



I don't think you'll find much argument here.



i'm all for making it easier to have a small business.



I think everyone but the establishment agrees it should be made easier for small businesses to get started.

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my point about "not owning a business" was about paying workers, not taxes. if the only way for you to make a living is by fucking over people by underpaying them, then you shouldn't be allowed to make a living that way. you can appeal all you want to these utterly ridiculous notions about business owner's right to 'liberty', but at the end of the day, it's not working out for anyone, including business owners. want more people consuming your products and services? if so, then you should be for higher salaries for everyone from the base up to about where money isn't even real.

when we all do better, we all do better. it doesn't take a degree in economics to see that.



:hi5:




:justastonishing:

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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: The Ecstatic] * 2
    #23903311 - 12/07/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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The Ecstatic said:
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PeyoteZen said:
Socialism and societal decay go hand in hand.




Nearly all of the poorest 50% of nations on earth are capitalist.


But hey, Venezuela is collapsing due to oil prices so......checkmate socialism.




:thatsaten:

Nice observation.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: finalexplosion]
    #23903353 - 12/07/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Many people today believe that in america we would be better of living under a socialist/communist government



Only individuals with low IQ & testosterone who shockingly are adverse to competition would believe such an absurd thing.



I think you're about as bad as hostileuniverse in making up your own facts.

I can't wait to see your evidence for this...  :popcorn:



Perfect example; most women on college campus' are liberal; pro choice and quick to let you know about it. You got "Proud single mom" and "don't need a man." Factually, single moms use enormous amounts of government resources. Why> Cannot keep their legs closed.

Lower IQ; cannot compete in the free market. Needs free money. You got cuck politicians pandering to this madness.



So most women on college campus' have a low IQ?  I can't wait to see your evidence for this...  :popcorn:


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03] * 1
    #23903365 - 12/07/16 01:22 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Very few are paying more out of moral obligation.

And very few are stealing from their workers.

But his point is valid that most employees are underpaid.




Wondering why you answers stupid fucking questions like that, but if you will, I guess I will add a few things:

Firstly Costco, who is outcompeting Walmart.

Then there's this fucker: Who made the minimum salary $70,000 for every employee, out of a moral obligation he felt.

And for shits and gigs:



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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: millzy] * 3
    #23903401 - 12/07/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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most employees are underpaid because we have high concentrations of profit at the very top of organizations. the standard answer to this problem is that the state of affairs is due to 'market forces'




That may be the standard answer, but let us talk, from an intellectual perspective, and not a retarded pro-capitalist horseshit perspective, about the solution to this problem, which is very simple, and doesn't require me demonizing anyone (such as single mothers), like a stupid fucking asshole.

Here is the solution to the problem of corporate douchebags taking millions of dollars while they drive their company into the ground, etc:

German worker councils, mandated by the government. Any business with a certain number of workers is required to allow those workers a say in all affairs of that business. The board of directors is composed of roughly 50% elected representatives of the workers.

And that my friends, is democracy at work.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23903443 - 12/07/16 01:42 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

My single mother (of 4), the woman I watched work her ass off 12 hours a day, 7 days a week in an auto factory, would be so very proud.

Actually, she is proud. Despite working her body into the ground, she raised a son who can run circles around you fools all fucking day long!


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23903498 - 12/07/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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My single mother (of 4), the woman I watched work her ass off 12 hours a day, 7 days a week in an auto factory, would be so very proud.

Actually, she is proud. Despite working her body into the ground, she raised a son who can run circles around you fools all fucking day long!




Yeah, I'm sure she's very proud of her son who threatens to kill his political opponents :rolleyes:


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23903607 - 12/07/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Despite working her body into the ground, she raised a son who can run circles around you fools all fucking day long!




Why doesn't he post here?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms]
    #23903652 - 12/07/16 02:28 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Despite working her body into the ground, she raised a son who can run circles around you fools all fucking day long!




Why doesn't he post here?




I do post here.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof] * 1
    #23903697 - 12/07/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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millzy said:
most employees are underpaid because we have high concentrations of profit at the very top of organizations. the standard answer to this problem is that the state of affairs is due to 'market forces'




That may be the standard answer, but let us talk, from an intellectual perspective, and not a retarded pro-capitalist horseshit perspective, about the solution to this problem, which is very simple, and doesn't require me demonizing anyone (such as single mothers), like a stupid fucking asshole.

Here is the solution to the problem of corporate douchebags taking millions of dollars while they drive their company into the ground, etc:

German worker councils, mandated by the government. Any business with a certain number of workers is required to allow those workers a say in all affairs of that business. The board of directors is composed of roughly 50% elected representatives of the workers.

And that my friends, is democracy at work.




Yeah, I have always liked that concept that they use in Germany, that's definitely one part of the equation.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23903717 - 12/07/16 02:39 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yeah, I have always liked that concept that they use in Germany, that's definitely one part of the equation.




I believe it would have a huge impact here in America. It may have even prevented the recession. I believe Germany was one of the few countries that didn't experience a recession, but I'd have to double check that.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23903751 - 12/07/16 02:48 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Despite working her body into the ground, she raised a son who can run circles around you fools all fucking day long!




Why doesn't he post here?




I do post here.




Well when you mentioned running circles... it was clear you were referring to someone else.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23903756 - 12/07/16 02:49 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

You know, I'd have to think about it more, but I think I may actually approve of the TPP, if we had worker controlled workplaces. That would only serve to give American workers more power against their government.

Then again, it would give foreign nationals more power over out government also.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23903772 - 12/07/16 02:53 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Bigbadwooof said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
Despite working her body into the ground, she raised a son who can run circles around you fools all fucking day long!




Why doesn't he post here?




I do post here.




Well when you mentioned running circles... it was clear you were referring to someone else.




Oh, you must be confused. Were you not here yesterday, when I explained the differences between Fox news and CNN to you? Oh wait, that's right, your response was 'no, you're wrong'. I'm afraid 'because I said so' is not an adequate response. You've got some real nerve pretending I do anything but run circles around the assholes that post here. Then again, I believe any belief to the contrary can be explained by the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

You can think I'm a dick, but I'm not wrong.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23903806 - 12/07/16 03:01 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Yet... you were wrong. They are 2 sides of the coin. Both biased.

I'm sure you think you do run circles around others. It's that type of leftie arrogance that brought us Trump as president.

But you go on patting yourself on the back. I'm sure the circle-jerk gang will weigh in soon enough. Perhaps they'll sooth your damaged ego.

I do think your wrong about CNN/FOX. And I agree with you... you are a dick among many.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #23903859 - 12/07/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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Yet... you were wrong. They are 2 sides of the coin. Both biased.




That's a false dichotomy. There are more than two sides, and more than two types of reporting agencies.

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I'm sure you think you do run circles around others. It's that type of leftie arrogance that brought us Trump as president.




That's actually not what made Trump president. However, 'Lefty arrogance' comes from conservatives being fucking idiots. There is not one conservative claim that hasn't been utterly shredded on these forums.

There's a reason conservative politicians entangle religion in every argument they make. That's how they garner support from idiots. The oldest trick in the book.

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But you go on patting yourself on the back. I'm sure the circle-jerk gang will weigh in soon enough. Perhaps they'll sooth your damaged ego.




Damaged ego?.. Feels quite intact to me. I don't rely on others for validation. Observable reality will do.

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I do think your wrong about CNN/FOX. And I agree with you... you are a dick among many.




You think I am wrong, based on nothing, or at least nothing valuable enough to share with the rest of us.

I hope you aren't so deluded to think you are not one of the many.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23903864 - 12/07/16 03:17 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

Face it. Libs helped get Trump elected. But by all means, keep doubling down, libs.

4 more years


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23903874 - 12/07/16 03:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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There is not one conservative claim that hasn't been utterly shredded on these forums.




:lolsy:

Extreme arrogance. And quite amusing.


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Damaged ego?.. Feels quite intact to me. I don't rely on others for validation. Observable reality will do.




Yup. Damaged ego with unwarranted arrogance.


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I hope you aren't so deluded to think you are not one of the many.




No, I'm one of the many. I'm just not so foolish as to make the claims you've made in the last few posts.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Bigbadwooof]
    #23903881 - 12/07/16 03:20 PM (7 years, 1 month ago)

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qman said:
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Bigbadwooof said:
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millzy said:
most employees are underpaid because we have high concentrations of profit at the very top of organizations. the standard answer to this problem is that the state of affairs is due to 'market forces'




That may be the standard answer, but let us talk, from an intellectual perspective, and not a retarded pro-capitalist horseshit perspective, about the solution to this problem, which is very simple, and doesn't require me demonizing anyone (such as single mothers), like a stupid fucking asshole.

Here is the solution to the problem of corporate douchebags taking millions of dollars while they drive their company into the ground, etc:

German worker councils, mandated by the government. Any business with a certain number of workers is required to allow those workers a say in all affairs of that business. The board of directors is composed of roughly 50% elected representatives of the workers.

And that my friends, is democracy at work.




Yeah, I have always liked that concept that they use in Germany, that's definitely one part of the equation.



I think it's a great concept.  It seems like both sides might agree?


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You know, I'd have to think about it more, but I think I may actually approve of the TPP, if we had worker controlled workplaces.



I would too.  In fact, in the "Here's Where I Stand On The Issues" thread, I said tariffs and barriers to free trade are actually "Bad, unless corporations hog all the profits from free trade (which is what we see today)".


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