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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996435 - 01/09/17 08:00 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Russians have the highest level of university degree citizens (54%) in the world.

Something also tells me graduating in Russia is even more competitive and challenging than the US today.

This also tells us that more education doesn't necessarily create economic prosperity.



What's your point?  Russia is a capitalist country which is more Laissez-faire than the US.

Better educated people there do better than those without education.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23996438 - 01/09/17 08:03 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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well, that's a plus. it's too bad they keep pushing people around.

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This also tells us that more education doesn't necessarily create economic prosperity




economic prosperity doesn't come without innovation.




Innovation is only one part of the equation.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23996443 - 01/09/17 08:04 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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There we are all notable achievements, but they don't mean the USSR had a well functioning economy or a thriving civilization



People there were a lot better off than people in laissez-faire capitalist countries.

Just look at all the countries with the strongest middle class, and you'll see they are the countries with the MOST government intervention.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23996446 - 01/09/17 08:05 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Russians have the highest level of university degree citizens (54%) in the world.

Something also tells me graduating in Russia is even more competitive and challenging than the US today.

This also tells us that more education doesn't necessarily create economic prosperity.



What's your point?  Russia is a capitalist country which is more Laissez-faire than the US.

Better educated people there do better than those without education.




Yet, the Russian economy isn't doing so well despite its highly educated workforce.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996453 - 01/09/17 08:07 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Innovation is only one part of the equation.



what's the other parts?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996666 - 01/09/17 09:20 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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What's your point?  Russia is a capitalist country which is more Laissez-faire than the US.

Better educated people there do better than those without education.




Yet, the Russian economy isn't doing so well despite its highly educated workforce.



Was there someone who argued that countries with the best educated workforce have the best economies?  I don't recall seeing that argument.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23996730 - 01/09/17 09:48 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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What's your point?  Russia is a capitalist country which is more Laissez-faire than the US.

Better educated people there do better than those without education.




Yet, the Russian economy isn't doing so well despite its highly educated workforce.



Was there someone who argued that countries with the best educated workforce have the best economies?  I don't recall seeing that argument.




That's true, I just find it funny that when US politicians talk about what ills the US economy or US workers, they always bring up education as being the key issue for success.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23997122 - 01/10/17 01:08 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Empirical evidence shows people with more education do better than those that don't.  Here's the change in income over time for people with different levels of education:



I have no idea if more educated countries do better than less educated ones as I haven't seen the data.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23997348 - 01/10/17 05:35 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

other countries focus education on reading, science, and math.  Meanwhile Americans offer classes like drama and stupid shit.  Not to mention the dumbing down of education due to immigrants and lazy shitty parents that dont read to their kids, or really seem to care about them.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23997553 - 01/10/17 08:27 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Empirical evidence shows people with more education do better than those that don't.  Here's the change in income over time for people with different levels of education:



I have no idea if more educated countries do better than less educated ones as I haven't seen the data.




They only do better if those educated people are in an environment which has opportunities that benefit them, that's not always the case.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman] * 1
    #23997605 - 01/10/17 08:59 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

Well....yeah, you could say that about any socioeconomic advantage. Doesnt make fal, or rather the data, wrong.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: The Ecstatic]
    #23997643 - 01/10/17 09:17 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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Well....yeah, you could say that about any socioeconomic advantage. Doesnt make fal, or rather the data, wrong.




I'm not trying to suggest that he's wrong, I'm simply illustrating that more education isn't directly correlated to economic prosperity.

His chart just shows higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23997672 - 01/10/17 09:30 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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His chart just shows higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US.



So now you're saying we have economic prosperity?  :shrug:


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23997695 - 01/10/17 09:40 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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His chart just shows higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US.



So now you're saying we have economic prosperity?  :shrug:




The chart goes back to 1964, so it does reflect time periods of US economic prosperity for US workers.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23997716 - 01/10/17 09:52 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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His chart just shows higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US.



So now you're saying we have economic prosperity?  :shrug:




The chart goes back to 1964, so it does reflect time periods of US economic prosperity for US workers.



The income for educated workers is rising faster now than it was in the 70's and 80's.  So if your logic is correct, we have better economic prosperity now than we did then.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23997732 - 01/10/17 10:02 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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His chart just shows higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US.



So now you're saying we have economic prosperity?  :shrug:




The chart goes back to 1964, so it does reflect time periods of US economic prosperity for US workers.



The income for educated workers is rising faster now than it was in the 70's and 80's.  So if your logic is correct, we have better economic prosperity now than we did then.




My "logic"?  Did I claim that the difference in incomes between educated workers and non- educated workers is a reflection of "economic prosperity"?

BTW, there's a difference between general economic prosperity for the US as a whole and then US workers.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23997845 - 01/10/17 10:54 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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His chart just shows higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US.



So now you're saying we have economic prosperity?  :shrug

The income for educated workers is rising faster now than it was in the 70's and 80's.  So if your logic is correct, we have better economic prosperity now than we did then.




My "logic"?  Did I claim that the difference in incomes between educated workers and non- educated workers is a reflection of "economic prosperity"?



Yes, your logic.  You just claimed "higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US."  Did you mean something different than what you just said?

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BTW, there's a difference between general economic prosperity for the US as a whole and then US workers.



Ok, and is there a point to this statement?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23997912 - 01/10/17 11:25 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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His chart just shows higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US.



So now you're saying we have economic prosperity?  :shrug

The income for educated workers is rising faster now than it was in the 70's and 80's.  So if your logic is correct, we have better economic prosperity now than we did then.




My "logic"?  Did I claim that the difference in incomes between educated workers and non- educated workers is a reflection of "economic prosperity"?



Yes, your logic.  You just claimed "higher relative incomes with more education during times of economic prosperity inside of the US."  Did you mean something different than what you just said?

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BTW, there's a difference between general economic prosperity for the US as a whole and then US workers.



Ok, and is there a point to this statement?




"Did you mean something different than what you just said?"

I think you're speculating that I suggested the educated workers created the economic prosperity, I did not.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23997940 - 01/10/17 11:34 AM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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I think you're speculating that I suggested the educated workers created the economic prosperity, I did not.



No, in fact I very specifically said:

"Was there someone who argued that countries with the best educated workforce have the best economies?  I don't recall seeing that argument."

Can you follow the discussion?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23998058 - 01/10/17 12:15 PM (7 years, 20 days ago)

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I think you're speculating that I suggested the educated workers created the economic prosperity, I did not.



No, in fact I very specifically said:

"Was there someone who argued that countries with the best educated workforce have the best economies?  I don't recall seeing that argument."

Can you follow the discussion?




And I agreed with you that nobody was making that argument.

This discussion really isn't going anywhere, you're looking for a debate when there's no debate to be had.


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