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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23996194 - 01/09/17 06:44 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

I'm talking about the corn, soy, and wheat policies specifically a how we overproduce them. Our government started subsidising bad farming practices like thee, and how mogenization and pasteurization for the few cases of ecoli there were

So where do I give credit to if I do well? Does every individual institution and person that benefited me in any way need some praise? Its good to be grateful to society for its opportunities, but your work is your sweat.


China, USSR, North Korea, Laos, North Vietnam. You brush esenoff, by ideals of communism, an ideology made by someone without education in economics, has caused the eradication of literally hundreds of millions of people.


China had the largest starvation with 100 million people.
Why would you say Russia did well after communism? Its still poor, drunk, and backward. Very dangerously drunk


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23996200 - 01/09/17 06:45 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

"Communism did pretty well in the USSR after Stalin"

That's a good one. :rofl2:


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman] * 2
    #23996210 - 01/09/17 06:47 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

make a point or pipe down.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23996229 - 01/09/17 06:56 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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I'm talking about the corn, soy, and wheat policies specifically a how we overproduce them. Our government started subsidising bad farming practices like thee, and how mogenization and pasteurization for the few cases of ecoli there were



Whether or not farm subsidies are a good idea is a separate discussion.  But it didn't lead to monoculture based farming.

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So where do I give credit to if I do well? Does every individual institution and person that benefited me in any way need some praise?



No, none of them need praise.  The point was that if you got lots of help to earn money, you shouldn't claim you did it yourself.

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Its good to be grateful to society for its opportunities, but your work is your sweat.



I can't argue with that.

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China, USSR, North Korea, Laos, North Vietnam. You brush esenoff, by ideals of communism, an ideology made by someone without education in economics, has caused the eradication of literally hundreds of millions of people.



First of all, Karl Marx was a great economist.  Secondly, the eradication of millions of people had nothing to do with communism; that was the result of war and dictatorships.  Again, look at communism post Stalin.

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Why would you say Russia did well after communism? Its still poor, drunk, and backward. Very dangerously drunk



I didn't say that.  I said communism did pretty well after Stalin.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996231 - 01/09/17 06:57 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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"Communism did pretty well in the USSR after Stalin"

That's a good one. :rofl2:




make a point or pipe down.



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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #23996247 - 01/09/17 07:02 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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"Communism did pretty well in the USSR after Stalin"

That's a good one. :rofl2:




make a point or pipe down.



:whathesaid:




Do you have low expectations or something, what exactly do you mean when you say "did pretty well"? 

I'm kind of surprised to see you make a statement like that, even for you that's over the top. :lol:


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996283 - 01/09/17 07:14 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

did you support the war in Vietnam?

i wonder, i'm just curious.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996301 - 01/09/17 07:22 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Subsidies helped lead to the farming practices we have today with extreamlynlarge fields of one crop, weather or not monoculturing started earlier

What does that even mean? That type of stupidity calls all work into question and is just a tactic to call into question the ownership of one's earnings.

Communism partially had to do with the advent of rationalism in Russia. A godless totalitarian state where the murderous state took the form of god.

He literally wasn't and economist

Totalitarianism is the end result of communism. Someone has to represent he people Andre people are one entity, so of course one or a few would haconcentrated authority.

Its weird when supporters not communism denounce the revolutions based on the ideals as not communist.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23996308 - 01/09/17 07:24 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

you are reifying communism, just like everyone else does...everyone else, every other mindnumbing individual.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23996322 - 01/09/17 07:28 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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did you support the war in Vietnam?

i wonder, i'm just curious.




No.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: specialpeopleclub]
    #23996330 - 01/09/17 07:29 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

this thread isn't even about communism...


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: ballsalsa]
    #23996376 - 01/09/17 07:39 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Socialism and communism are kind of used interchangeably


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman] * 2
    #23996384 - 01/09/17 07:41 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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did you support the war in Vietnam?

i wonder, i'm just curious.




No.



would you have allowed them to be communist?


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: TFI] * 2
    #23996388 - 01/09/17 07:42 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

America is not a democracy, its a Hypocrisy.  This shit hole is polluting and destroying the planet.  Big business and industry is all that matters here. Money over morals, time and time again. We have it coming.  We are fat, stupid, arrogant with rampant immorality.  I cant blame anyone for wanting to destroy it, to be completely honest..


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996397 - 01/09/17 07:45 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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Do you have low expectations or something, what exactly do you mean when you say "did pretty well"? 

I'm kind of surprised to see you make a statement like that, even for you that's over the top. :lol:



I mentioned many times how the Soviets kicked our ass in space (they launched the first ICBM, launched the first satellite, put the first monkey in space, put the first human in orbit, and had the first moon landing (unmanned).  They would have had the first man on the moon if not for the disaster of their N1 rocket.  Yet US propaganda claimed US technology better as we "won" the "space race".

In medicine, Russia had many firsts, as they discovered stem cells, did the first blood transfusion, the first heart lung transplant...

They developed the first nuclear power plant, the first commercial airliner, invented 3D holography...

Here's a whole lot of other Russian innovations.


Russia (Post Stalin) had virtually no homelessness, no unemployment, no hungry people.  Most everyone was at least lower middle class.

I'm not even claiming Russians were better off than Americans, only that they were better off than laissez-faire capitalist countries.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: akira_akuma]
    #23996409 - 01/09/17 07:48 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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did you support the war in Vietnam?

i wonder, i'm just curious.




No.



would you have allowed them to be communist?




I don't believe the US has any business in trying to micromanage the world.

Unfortunately, Republicans and Democrats don't feel the same way.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996421 - 01/09/17 07:54 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

Russians have the highest level of university degree citizens (54%) in the world.

Something also tells me graduating in Russia is even more competitive and challenging than the US today.

This also tells us that more education doesn't necessarily create economic prosperity.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996422 - 01/09/17 07:54 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

well, that's a plus. it's too bad they keep pushing people around.

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This also tells us that more education doesn't necessarily create economic prosperity




economic prosperity doesn't come without innovation.


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
    #23996424 - 01/09/17 07:55 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

There we are all notable achievements, but they don't mean the USSR had a well functioning economy or a thriving civilization


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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: specialpeopleclub] * 2
    #23996425 - 01/09/17 07:56 PM (7 years, 21 days ago)

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None of them need praise.  The point was that if you got lots of help to earn money, you shouldn't claim you did it yourself.



What does that even mean? That type of stupidity calls all work into question and is just a tactic to call into question the ownership of one's earnings.



That's exactly what I'm doing.  If you're rich but didn't earn it, I do call your wealth into question.  Similarly, if you work all day to make someone else rich, and you're not so well off yourself, I also call that into question.

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Communism partially had to do with the advent of rationalism in Russia. A godless totalitarian state where the murderous state took the form of god.



Can you (pretty please) look at Communism post Stalin?

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Karl Marx was a great economist.



He literally wasn't and economist



:whateveryousayfreak:

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Totalitarianism is the end result of communism. Someone has to represent he people Andre people are one entity, so of course one or a few would haconcentrated authority.



Totalitarianism is also the end result of unregulated capitalism.  When just a few people hold all the wealth, they also hold all the power.  We're already an oligarchy.


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