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hostileuniverse said: Socialism is great, just ask Venezuelans and the Greeks
you're lacking in original thought.
Doesn't make the statement any less true
Capitalism may have its drawbacks but I'd rather be poor here than in Greece or Venezuela, unlike the progressive retards that litter this subforum, I can see the forest despite the trees
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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: qman]
#23925994 - 12/14/16 01:19 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The Fed now holds a shitload of bonds from QE that they can cash in at anytime to take the stimulus money back out of the economy to prevent runaway inflation.
Yeah, like that's ever going to happen. 
Not sure why you think that's funny. The Fed purchased a shitload of bonds from the banks, and it's the Fed's duty to cash them in if we see runaway inflation. I think the is a substitute for having no argument.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I've said MANY times that more should have gone to Main St. But the concept is still same - pumping enough money into the economy stops depressions.
No it's not, one policy creates economic growth, higher wages, a strong middle-class and less wealth/income inequality. The other policy creates what we have today, slow growth with slow inflation while asset classes (stocks, bonds, real estate) trade at all-time highs.
No duh they should have helped Main St more. That's something I've said MANY times, and we both can agree on that. But the point is that a massive stimulus was absolutely necessary to prevent an economic collapse.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The solution is still valid, whether people at the top want it or not.
I agree
Great.
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qman said: Trump's infrastructure stimulus is likely to never happen, top Congressmen from his own party have already pissed on it many times in the last few weeks.
They're going to give the very rich and big corporations some tax cuts which will be revenue neutral, that's about it. The rich will get rich as the middle class goes even deeper down the hole.
I'm not disagreeing. But the solution ballsalsa gave is still valid, whether people at the top want it or not.
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akira_akuma
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hostileuniverse said:
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akira_akuma said:
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hostileuniverse said: Socialism is great, just ask Venezuelans and the Greeks
you're lacking in original thought.
Doesn't make the statement any less true
Capitalism may have its drawbacks but I'd rather be poor here than in Greece or Venezuela, unlike the progressive retards that litter this subforum, I can see the forest despite the trees
despite the trees? 
that's unintentionally hilarious; or was that intentional? cause lol
there are drawbacks to any economic system- point is to try find solutions to those drawbacks.
and people often will disagree on how to do that. why do you think there are different schools of thought within economics? because it's not etched in stone how to do economic policy, and we construct the notion of an economic policy. people are learning as they go along- as we make all this stuff up.
economy is like ecology, seems to be the best comparison.
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The Fed now holds a shitload of bonds from QE that they can cash in at anytime to take the stimulus money back out of the economy to prevent runaway inflation.
Yeah, like that's ever going to happen. 
Not sure why you think that's funny. The Fed purchased a shitload of bonds from the banks, and it's the Fed's duty to cash them in if we see runaway inflation. I think the is a substitute for having no argument.
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: I've said MANY times that more should have gone to Main St. But the concept is still same - pumping enough money into the economy stops depressions.
No it's not, one policy creates economic growth, higher wages, a strong middle-class and less wealth/income inequality. The other policy creates what we have today, slow growth with slow inflation while asset classes (stocks, bonds, real estate) trade at all-time highs.
No duh they should have helped Main St more. That's something I've said MANY times, and we both can agree on that. But the point is that a massive stimulus was absolutely necessary to prevent an economic collapse.
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qman said:
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: The solution is still valid, whether people at the top want it or not.
I agree
Great.
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qman said: Trump's infrastructure stimulus is likely to never happen, top Congressmen from his own party have already pissed on it many times in the last few weeks.
They're going to give the very rich and big corporations some tax cuts which will be revenue neutral, that's about it. The rich will get rich as the middle class goes even deeper down the hole.
I'm not disagreeing. But the solution ballsalsa gave is still valid, whether people at the top want it or not.
"if we see runaway inflation"
Yeah, with no wage growth in 15 years for the bottom half of earners, no government stimulus, no velocity of money and a very strong US dollar, I don't think you're going to "see runaway inflation" anytime soon, that's what I found humorous about your statement.
"massive stimulus was absolutely necessary"
Buying mortgage and T-bonds is NOT "massive stimulus". It's was giving free money to insolvent large banks who later refused to extend credit back into the general economy, instead they flood it back into financial assets, that's NOT "massive stimulus".
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qman said: most of the bailout money was through the Federal Reserves QE program, that will never be paid back.
The Fed purchased a shitload of bonds from the banks, and it's the Fed's duty to cash them in if we see runaway inflation. I think the is a substitute for having no argument.
Yeah, with no wage growth in 15 years for the bottom half of earners, no government stimulus, no velocity of money and a very strong US dollar, I don't think you're going to "see runaway inflation" anytime soon, that's what I found humorous about your statement.
Well, even if the Fed doesn't sell the bonds back, QE was stimulus money that the taxpayer isn't on the hook for. Cha ching!
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: a massive stimulus was absolutely necessary to prevent an economic collapse.
Buying mortgage and T-bonds is NOT "massive stimulus". It's was giving free money to insolvent large banks
Didn't you just post a link showing this wasn't 'free money' and that the banks paid it back?!? 
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qman said: The banks later refused to extend credit back into the general economy, instead they flood it back into financial assets, that's NOT "massive stimulus". 
This was already disproven with empirical evidence. How quickly you forget.
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Everything Fal posts has also been debunked but that doesn't stop him!
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akira_akuma
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nah. it hasn't been debunked. you've just espoused your proven values. have a banana.
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akira_akuma said: nah. it hasn't been debunked. you've just espoused your proven values. have a banana.
I do like bananas
Does that make me a monkey?
Oh no i just called myself a monkey
which makes me racist
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akira_akuma
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see, that's the spirit!
well well well...how meta...
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akira_akuma said: nah. it hasn't been debunked. you've just espoused your proven values. have a banana.
Did HU claim something I said was debunked (I currently have him on ignore)?
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ha. yeah, he said it's you don't stop!
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Did HU claim something I said was debunked (I currently have him on ignore)?
ha. yeah, he said it's you don't stop!
I previously offered elax 5 shrooms if he showed I was a liar as he claimed. He never even tried to collect.
Now I'm offering hostileuniverse 5 shrooms if he shows which post above was debunked...     
(Someone will have to let me know if he attempts to collect)
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Cmon peeps keep it clean I've been enjoying the conversation.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: Did HU claim something I said was debunked (I currently have him on ignore)?
ha. yeah, he said it's you don't stop!
I previously offered elax 5 shrooms if he showed I was a liar as he claimed. He never even tried to collect.
Now I'm offering hostileuniverse 5 shrooms if he shows which post above was debunked...     
(Someone will have to let me know if he attempts to collect)
For ignoring someone, you sure do bring them up a lot
***still living rent free in their heads
Amira, I've debunked his shit before, he just ignores it,
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hostileuniverse said: Socialism is great, just ask Venezuelans and the Greeks
you're lacking in original thought.
Doesn't make the statement any less true
Capitalism may have its drawbacks but I'd rather be poor here than in Greece or Venezuela, unlike the progressive retards that litter this subforum, I can see the forest despite the trees
just thought i'd point out another instance of this poster using insulting language in response to being tasked with backing his claims.
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Re: Socialism vs democracy [Re: millzy]
#23930611 - 12/15/16 07:13 PM (7 years, 1 month ago) |
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Where were you when I was constantly being attacked and insulted?
Oh that's right, with your head up Obamas ass
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akira_akuma
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literally every post since you've started posting here has included the epithet "libtard", so please...enough. you've brought it on yourself, which is why no one does anything when they are basically trolled into being baffled at your tomfoolery. you're only kept on this forum because you are "the other voice" in the room...and Ythan is either drooling in the corner on the floor on Heroin dying, or he just doesn't give a fuck anymore, or he's on the last vestige of conducting the Pub as anything but another OTD. he just doesn't want to silence the only conservatives in the room.
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you guys are making my horse scared. Plz stop fighting. We are Americans. We have shit to blow up remember? Shit that's Far Away
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You sure?
I'm sure they're more left wing than Fox and CNN.
I sometimes forget sarcasm doesn't read well.
Fox leans right. CNN leans left. MSNBC leans so far left they trip over themselves.
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Falcon91Wolvrn03 said: You sure?
I'm sure they're more left wing than Fox and CNN.
I sometimes forget sarcasm doesn't read well.
Fox leans right. CNN leans left. MSNBC leans so far left they trip over themselves.
You have a warped view of what left and right is.
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