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Year old horse manure
#23844347 - 11/18/16 07:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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This horse manure is at least a year old. It has been sitting in an uncovered tub, under a canopy so it hasn't been rained on. However earth worms are wriggling around inside of it, and bugs have presumably been feeding on it for a long time.


It seems to look and smell fine, especially the lower layers.
I tried to research a couple of topics labeled "old horse manure" and I believe it was RR who posted that the insects and worms feeding on the manure are taking the nutrients out of it, and in other similar threads he suggested that you should probably stick to a source that is more fresh for better results.
I'm not disputing this at all, and the answer seems fairly clear cut at this point.
What I would like to ask is, what are your personal results from using old horse manure? Could you actually tell a difference in the flushes?
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Psilosopherr
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RR said fresh is better? I've never heard that, always read that composted/aged manure was the way to go.
I've used fairly fresh before, its more gross and takes a little more preparation. Never saw a real difference between the two once all is said and done, manure is manure, more or less.
In a nutshell, don't worry about worms stealing the nutes
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I think RR meant that it doesn't have to be brand new or fresh, its just that you don't want the older stuff.
I saw a few other posts when I went digging that you don't want it more than six months old, that was also posted by a "trusted cultivator".
welp I guess I answered my own questions, but its nice to hear personal accounts and I do appreciate all of your individual input
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Man that is really weird, got links?
Been a while since I read about it but I coulda sworn aged manure was what people recommended. FYI, if posts are older than 5 years they may/may not be outdated.
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id get new poop. why use 1 year old worm riddled 'shit'?
and field poo thats 'aged' into nuggets will turn to near flakes/powder when broken up. so you are not going to find 6month old hpoo out in a field. it will degrade into the dirt. STORING poo uncovered for a year sounds gross
in terms of personal results, ive just used gathered hpoo from a field kept in a plastic bin. no clue how old each nugget was. used over the course of a few months for shrooms, veggies and marijuana. yields were impossible to compare because i wasnt using agar isolated cultures.
at the time, my first hpoo grows were much better then brf cakes broken up in trays. but thats not really a comparison anyway. currently i have even larger yields with cvg but using much better genetics.
Edited by mushboy (11/18/16 01:34 PM)
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Re: Year old horse manure [Re: mushboy]
#23845451 - 11/18/16 02:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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but now I am going to a HUGE pile that has aged for 5 years, I am thinking this could be interesting to try, what are your thoughts on aged manure?
Great for your veg garden, but poor for mushrooms. You want field aged manure that has been in the sun and rain for a few weeks, to a few months, so it has lost its ammonia smell, but not fully composted. 5 year old manure would be stretching it, but you can still use it for your flower beds, etc. RR
For people who wanted quotes.
As for the hpoo covered in worms... Last time I checked worm shit is good too. Fuckin dry it out asap tho..
I agree storing wet poo for a year is like wtf nasty lol
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Re: Year old horse manure [Re: Mad Season]
#23845857 - 11/18/16 04:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The stuff I had stored under a canopy outside was in a large tub but the lid was loose for an entire year. I'm honestly puzzled as to how the worms got inside of a 30 inch tall tub.
Perhaps they were larvae that just vaguely resembled earth worms. It was dry at least, and never smelled. Anyhow it was a good call to get rid of it, I realize now that it had a few wood chips in there and I would rather not guess as to which kind they are. I'd like to avoid potential cedar chips.
I miraculously found some on craigslist today that was shoveled straight from the field and still warm. He even put it into trash bags and loaded it into my truck for me. Swell guy.
Going to have to leech it, but that's a small price to pay for this quality.
As for the requested quotes, let me take a gander and I'll dig up a few from our trusted cultivators :
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RogerRabbit said: The fresher manure from near the middle of the row might be better. Since you have access to all age ranges there, perhaps you can do a test project with the very old composted manure, and another tray with the middle age nuggets that have turned grey and dried out, but are still intact and not composted. I've heard that the fully composted manure that looks like soil doesn't work as well, but I've never tried it myself.
Make sure any sawdust/woodchips mixed in are not cedar. If so, you need to remove them. RR
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Holydiver said: It's only too old if it's been in an unturned pile and composted beyond use. I've never gotten the stuff composted to a jet black soil to work. If you can see fibers in it, I'm sure it's good.
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cronicr said: good for flower beds, not so great for mycology, a few months is about all ya want
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cronicr said: none of that manure sounds greatto use, i use up to 6 month old manure not past that and composted means other micro organisms have had there way with it.
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RogerRabbit said: The word is manure please, as you used in the thread title. 'Poo' is what mommy changed out of your diapers, and use of baby-talk in an adult forum makes me want to vomit.
Secondary decomposers such as the common white button mushroom do well on composted manure.
P cubensis is mostly a primary decomposer and does much better on fresh, but field aged(sun dried and rain leached) manure.
I'd suggest going back to the ranch and get the dry nuggets from the field before the rancher has piled them up to compost. RR
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Thanks for digging up the quotes, don't know how I had it so wrong :embarassed:
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Some of the quotes are ten years old, a few are newer. But I trust em.
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I found a bag of old nuggets a cpl weeks ago, they were packed completely dry and stored in a plastic sack, no chance to start the composting process, figure i'll try them on some pans this winter. OPs pics looks pretty wet and disgusting tho.
edit: with old I mean at least 1,5 yrs old.. didnt harvest any manure this summer.
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