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Re: Life extension on psychedelics [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23843798 - 11/17/16 11:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I am not talking about life extension in terms of the biological processes that go on.  I am talking about life extension in terms of conscious awareness alone.




so then dont call it life extension, because by definition it is not..  Call it what it is please. Maybe just edit your original post and the thread title.  Because your not talking about "life extension" , which by def.  is biological processes, your talking about Awareness. They are not the same.




I think I would instead call it an alternative to life extension then.  So many people wish they could live for thousands or millions of years and they think that the only way that can happen is if scientific technology somehow manages to extend our lives.  But this doesn't have to be.  A person can take a psychedelic drug and live a vast amount of time during a trip.


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Re: Life extension on psychedelics [Re: MattMVS7]
    #23843813 - 11/17/16 11:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Gotcha.  Yeah I agree to a degree, dreams too


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Re: Life extension on psychedelics [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23843816 - 11/17/16 11:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Gotcha.  Yeah I agree to a degree, dreams too




But for a person who has had a powerful trip that they said lasted for thousands or even millions of years, then do they mean that literally?  In other words, were they actually aware for thousands or millions of years from their subjective point of view (i.e. aware of every day, hour, minute, and second that has passed for that whole entire time just like how that would happen here in this physical reality)?  Or did it really just seem like the trip lasted that vast amount of time, but was not actually that long for him/her?


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Re: Life extension on psychedelics [Re: MattMVS7]
    #23843835 - 11/17/16 11:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You should be able to answer that question correctly by just asking yourself.

I have had a few experiences which you describe, but i wouldnt say they were 10,000 years or what not, but timeless - so they seemed a un-quantifiable amount of time, like a life time I suppose, or like a full dream, but that is just metaphor, because it was a subjective experience, aka know one else knew but me, others werent aware of what I was aware of, or rather no longer aware of - aka time, and space, as we know them normally.  But upon emerging from said trip the people in my life and the clock had just carried on and 8 hours had passed.  And my body had been carrying on while I was there.  It was the kind of trip where you drop your body and mind.


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Re: Life extension on psychedelics [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23843872 - 11/18/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You should be able to answer that question correctly by just asking yourself.

I have had a few experiences which you describe, but i wouldnt say they were 10,000 years or what not, but timeless - so they seemed a un-quantifiable amount of time, like a life time I suppose, or like a full dream, but that is just metaphor, because it was a subjective experience, aka know one else knew but me, others werent aware of what I was aware of, or rather no longer aware of - aka time, and space, as we know them normally.  But upon emerging from said trip the people in my life and the clock had just carried on and 8 hours had passed.  And my body had been carrying on while I was there.  It was the kind of trip where you drop your body and mind.




My question is in regards to those whose experiences were not timeless, but seemed to drag on for thousands or millions of years.  I cannot answer this question for myself since there is no way to.  Were they aware that whole entire time (every hour, minute, and second) of all those thousands/millions of years just like how a person would be aware of every hour, minute, and second of all those thousands/millions of years here in this physical life?  Or did it just really seem like that and wasn't actually the case?  There is a big distinction here and I wish to know which is true.


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Re: Life extension on psychedelics [Re: MattMVS7]
    #23843888 - 11/18/16 12:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Its considered distorted.  So its not really living forever or a super long time.  Its a way of speaking about what the experience was like is all.  Probably an illusion.  If it was real they would have thousands of life times worth of experience and memory to share with the world.  And no one really has or can. Maybe Im wrong, show me! that would be cool if it were true.


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Re: Life extension on psychedelics [Re: The Blind Ass]
    #23843906 - 11/18/16 12:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Its considered distorted.  So its not really living forever or a super long time.  Its a way of speaking about what the experience was like is all.  Probably an illusion.  If it was real they would have thousands of life times worth of experience and memory to share with the world.  And no one really has or can. Maybe Im wrong, show me! that would be cool if it were true.




That would actually be the most horrible thing to me.  Let's pretend it was a horrible trip that lasted that long, then one would be driven to insanity if they had to undergo immense torment and suffering that whole entire time.  So that is why I am hoping this isn't true.  I don't plan on taking any psychedelic drug, but near death experiences can be the same as a psychedelic trip and I don't want to have some sort of horrible nde that would last that long.

If you read the accounts of others here who have taken psychedelic drugs, they do say that they have literally lived thousands or millions of years during a trip.  Now I am not sure if that is really true or if it was simply a distorted perception as you have pointed out.


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