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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841752 - 11/17/16 01:23 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

People have been talking about this democracy problem for 2000 years and we've been muling over the same shit over and over again. The minute a race is tight things get complicated and every system you end up picking will have an unfair flaw. So you have to choose the flaw you're willing to deal with and that's it. Then when a tight election comes around the flaw stick out like a sore thumb and people lose their shit. It is what it is...


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #23841785 - 11/17/16 01:34 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

There are no flaws in a simple majority. 51 > 49 simple math.

This whole draconian electorate system needs to go. It's usefulness was in the days where not everybody could get to the polling stations because there was no way to get them out of the sticks in time....they were represented by an electorate that was supposedly in tune with their choices. It was compounded later by the 3/5 vote a freed slave would be afforded. It has outlived it's usefulness long, long ago. Like Koods said...every other elected official goes by the popular vote. With technology the way it is today there is zero reason for the electoral college.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23841804 - 11/17/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Thayendanegea said:
There are no flaws in a simple majority. 51 > 49 simple math.

This whole draconian electorate system needs to go. It's usefulness was in the days where not everybody could get to the polling stations because there was no way to get them out of the sticks in time....they were represented by an electorate that was supposedly in tune with their choices. It was compounded later by the 3/5 vote a freed slave would be afforded. It has outlived it's usefulness long, long ago. Like Koods said...every other elected official goes by the popular vote. With technology the way it is today there is zero reason for the electoral college.




Until a 3rd candidate shows up and make it impossible to get 51%. Then what do you do?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Patlal]
    #23841810 - 11/17/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Whoever has the most votes....duh


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Thayendanegea]
    #23841811 - 11/17/16 01:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

it gets even messier and more contentious when you have a multi party system like in Kanukistan, where 30% of the vote can land you a majority government :stonedmelt: although the whole thing is notably different so maybe the comparison is pointless, still. Damn splitting of the left vote

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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Ezuma]
    #23841846 - 11/17/16 01:52 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

At least you got a liberal leader to represent your liberal electorate. We get a douchbag right winger idiot to represent our liberal electorate.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841856 - 11/17/16 01:56 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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koods said:
So you believe that the house should decide this election. If you had your way, that is what you think would be best?




Speaking of the best, good question right here:

Despite how screwed up our government and election system is, do you think we still have the best government in the world? In general, is there a system that works better then ours?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: imachavel]
    #23841872 - 11/17/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Actually, I think the parliamentary system is better.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841882 - 11/17/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Is 'pretzel' the DNC talking point of the day? If so, that would be a shame as Patlal hasn't 'pretzeled' anything.

A 'head-not-up-the-ass' reading makes it clear he didn't say that.

The stank of misery/desperation is ripe on you.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841884 - 11/17/16 02:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hillary Clinton did not win the popular vote. 3 million illegals voted. That alone is enough to trounce your narrative, and it doesn't even take into account all the fraud that happened around the country (ie: Hillary winning over 100% of the votes in some precincts).

Let's be real about this. Donald Trump won the Presidency by every conceivable measure. And Hillary cheated and still managed to lose (though she's cheated Trump out of his rightful "mandate") That's all there is to it. There won't be any kind of recount or effort to contest, because the fraud will be taken into account and it will only further prove that Trump won by more than the "official" tally.


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Great Scott]
    #23841901 - 11/17/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

:triggered:


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841910 - 11/17/16 02:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I see

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentary_system

"Advantages and disadvantages Edit

One of the commonly attributed advantages to parliamentary systems is that it is faster and easier to pass legislation,[12] as the executive branch is formed by the direct or indirect support of the legislative branch and often includes members of the legislature. Thus the executive (as the majority party or coalition of parties in the legislature) has a majority of the votes, and can pass legislation at will. In a presidential system, the executive is often chosen independently from the legislature. If the executive and the majority of the legislature are from different political parties, then stalemate can occur. Thus the executive might not be able to implement its legislative proposals. An executive in any system (be it parliamentary, presidential or semi-presidential) is chiefly voted into office on the basis of his or her party's platform/manifesto,[citation needed] and the same is also true of the legislature.

In addition to quicker legislative action, parliamentary government has attractive features for nations that are ethnically, racially, or ideologically divided. In a presidential system, all executive power is vested in one person: the president. In a parliamentary system, with a collegial executive, power is more divided. In the 1989 Lebanese Taif Agreement, in order to give Muslims greater political power, Lebanon moved from a semi-presidential system with a strong president[dubious ] to a system more structurally similar to classical parliamentary government. Iraq similarly disdained a presidential system out of fears that such a system would be tantamount to Shiite domination; Afghanistan's minorities refused to go along with a presidency as strong as the Pashtuns desired.[citation needed]

It can also be argued that power is more evenly spread out in parliamentary government.[citation needed] The prime minister is seldom as important as a ruling president, and there tends to be a higher focus on voting for a party and its political ideas than voting for an actual person.[citation needed]

In his 1867 book The English Constitution, Walter Bagehot praised parliamentary government for producing serious debates, for allowing change in power without an election, and for allowing elections at any time. Bagehot considered the four-year election rule of the United States to be unnatural.

Some scholars like Juan Linz, Fred Riggs, Bruce Ackerman, and Robert Dahl claim that parliamentary government is less prone to authoritarian collapse.[citation needed] These scholars point out that since World War II, two-thirds of Third World countries establishing parliamentary governments successfully made the transition to democracy.[citation needed] By contrast, no Third World presidential system successfully made the transition to democracy without experiencing coups and other constitutional breakdowns.[citation needed]

A recent World Bank study found that parliamentary systems are associated with less corruption.[13]

Some constituencies may have a popular local candidate under an unpopular leader (or the reverse), forcing a difficult choice on the electorate. Mixed-member proportional representation (where voters cast two ballots) can make this choice easier by allowing voters to cast one vote for the local candidate but also cast a second vote for another party.

Although Bagehot praised parliamentary government for allowing an election to take place at any time, the lack of a definite election calendar can be abused. Previously under some systems, such as the British, a ruling party could schedule elections when it felt that it was likely to retain power, and so avoid elections at times of unpopularity. (Election timing in the UK, however, is now partly fixed under the Fixed-term Parliaments Act 2011.) Thus, by wise timing of elections, in a parliamentary system a party can extend its rule for longer than is feasible in a functioning presidential system. This problem can be alleviated somewhat by setting fixed dates for parliamentary elections, as is the case in several of Australia's state parliaments. In other systems, such as the Dutch and the Belgian, the ruling party or coalition has some flexibility in determining the election date. Conversely, flexibility in the timing of parliamentary elections can avoid periods of legislative gridlock that can occur in a fixed period presidential system.

Critics of the Westminster parliamentary system[who?] point out that people with significant popular support in the community are prevented from becoming prime minister if they cannot get elected to parliament since there is no option to "run for prime minister" as one can run for president under a presidential system. Additionally, prime ministers may lose their positions if they lose their seats in parliament, even though they may still be popular nationally. Supporters of parliamentary government respond by saying that as members of parliament, prime ministers are elected first to represent their electoral constituents and if they lose their support then consequently they are no longer entitled to be prime minister.[citation needed]"



Why is the popular notion that's granted among most historians involve the idea that a republic such as ours was originally way more efficient then a parliamentary system but through abuse of a "democracy" and care for the parliamentary system, our system is way less efficient then most other people's system of governance? Did I get that right?

Same system. Different rate of efficiency. People originally came here to escape Europe's government. What went wrong here and right there over 250 years course of time?

I kind of wanted to sway off the subject of right side vs left side for a minute


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods]
    #23841916 - 11/17/16 02:11 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: imachavel] * 2
    #23841926 - 11/17/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

That doesn't even make any sense. I'm just calmly explaining why Koods is wrong and the facts back up my claim.

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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: koods] * 2
    #23841931 - 11/17/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)



If the election was based on popular vote, Trump would've campaigned differently and won even bigger. What's today? Thursday? Koods has been melting for a good 8 straight days. Can our memes make it another eight?



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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: imachavel]
    #23841942 - 11/17/16 02:18 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Quote:

koods said:
:triggered:




I believe this is the term you are looking for

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DPartisan%20Hack%26amp%3Dtrue



I believe that term refers more to Koods. Even though the DNC illegally rigged the primary against his preferred candidate he still ultimately bowed down and voted for Hillary. Koods is a glaring example of what a partisan hack looked like :shrug:


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Webster10]
    #23841944 - 11/17/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Will you hacks quit arguing amongst yourselves and address to me why the parliamentary system is much more efficient now then it was in the 1700s and how they fixed their electorate?

If they can fix their electorate maybe we can fix ours

"After we deport a few million crack cocaine addicts"

Kidding on that last part


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Webster10]
    #23841947 - 11/17/16 02:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

And don't forget...
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PeyoteZen said:
3 million illegals voted.




How much did Hillary "win" by again?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Great Scott]
    #23841948 - 11/17/16 02:20 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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PeyoteZen said:
And don't forget...
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PeyoteZen said:
3 million illegals voted.







How do we know they voted?


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Re: Hillary Clinton Won The Popular Vote By Over 1,000,000 Votes [Re: Webster10]
    #23841961 - 11/17/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Webster10 said:
Quote:

imachavel said:
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koods said:
:triggered:




I believe this is the term you are looking for

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.urbandictionary.com/define.php%3Fterm%3DPartisan%20Hack%26amp%3Dtrue



I believe that term refers more to Koods. Even though the DNC illegally rigged the primary against his preferred candidate he still ultimately bowed down and voted for Hillary. Koods is a glaring example of what a partisan hack looked like :shrug:




Well I don't know if Koods is a partisan hack but in the romp its been said his favoritism for giving admins blowjobs is what lead him to enjoy his primary status as moderator on here

Although that's a different story for a different day and I can't verify it any more then I can verify Hillary's popular vote count

Imho this year we were screwed no matter what candidate we ended up with


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