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OfflineTheOneWithFish
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Tripping Anxiety
    #23841061 - 11/17/16 09:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok so a little context... When I first started tripping I could pop a tab or two, or maybe some mushies, and openly welcome and love each and every trip. After a couple intense experiences, (not bad in any way, just intense), I decided to take a little break from tripping. In the past couple months I've been looking to start tripping again, and have experienced a light mushroom dose and a small dose of 2cb, to 'ease me back in.'
Both times I've experienced this weird, anxious and unnerving feeling during the come up, where the minute I start to feel any effects (no matter how small) I start to mentally imagine my past intense trips, my heart starts to beat fast, and my mind starts racing to the point where I feel slightly insane!
Both times this feeling has subsided after an hour or so, and both trips ended up being fairly mild and unsatisfying. I really want to experience the awe and amazement/beauty I felt on higher doses in the past, but the anxiety when coming up makes me hesitant, for I could easily imagine how it would lead me to spiral into a bad/mind-loop trip.
Any of you deal with similar problems? If so, what advice do you have? Thanks :tongue2:


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: TheOneWithFish]
    #23841097 - 11/17/16 09:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I had a very similar experience.  Same as you said, first few trips I welcomed with open arms and had purely blissful experiences, then around the 4th or 5th time we took some mush that was exceptionally strong.  I was doing fine, just intense, when suddenly the two guys I was with both said they were having a bad trip.  This made me feel concerned because they were much more experienced than I was so I kind of "looked up to them".  Then one of the guy's roommate came home and started really fucking with me hard.  He singled me out and spent about 30 minutes (which felt like 3 hours) messing with me and enjoyed watching how confused I got.  This created such a massive mind loop in my head that it took me weeks to feel normal.

After that trip I had the same come up anxiety, to the point where I quit for years.  After spending a few years meditating and reading everything I could get my hands on regarding philosophy, spirituality, quantum physics, biocentrism, etc. I decided I wanted to get back into tripping from time to time because I used to love it so much. 

When I came back I still had the come up anxiety, albeit not nearly as much as I used to.  I haven't found a "cure", but making sure the set and setting are ideal and not being somewhere where an unwanted situation could pop up, as well as only being with people I 100% trust seems to work.  When I am more responsible with set and setting I can take solace in knowing that the come up anxiety will subside soon, which it always does.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: OakTree]
    #23841109 - 11/17/16 09:58 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

As a matter of fact, the last time I tripped was this past June.  My brother and I rented a cabin in the mountains where there was no phone service.  Knowing that it was just going to be the two of us on an awesome piece of property with a little stream running through it and no-one was going to drop in on us or call made the come up anxiety almost unnoticeable.

I understand that we can't just run away to a secluded mountain cabin every time we trip, but I've found that the more in control I am of the set and setting to start with, the lower the come up anxiety.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: TheOneWithFish]
    #23841115 - 11/17/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I am 51 going on 52 and still trip occasionally. I know what you mean about the come up anxiety. I have always had it though, lol. I just try to get as comfy as possible and plan my trip with food, drinks, movies, and or music. I get into some loose fitting clothes (sweats are best in the winter months), be showered/clean, clean house/apt., and make sure my phone is off as well. Just mentally prepare as well as physically and it should make it a little easier on the come up.

I never did more than 3 hits of L back in my 20-30's, and I have never done more than 5g of mushrooms. I have been tripping lately and 1.5 hits of L is plenty. 3.5g of mushrooms was almost too much (cubensis). Age might have a little to do with the anxiety. Maybe the thought of your responsibilities and such you have now are creating anxiety. I have more to lose now if something negative happens and this makes me a bit more anxious when I trip, but I still like to trip and will continue to explore until I no longer want to.

Keep the doses low if you are getting too much anxiety. Just increase in small increments if you want to trip harder instead of just going full force like you used to.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: OakTree]
    #23841123 - 11/17/16 10:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I had a very similar experience.  Same as you said, first few trips I welcomed with open arms and had purely blissful experiences, then around the 4th or 5th time we took some mush that was exceptionally strong.  I was doing fine, just intense, when suddenly the two guys I was with both said they were having a bad trip.  This made me feel concerned because they were much more experienced than I was so I kind of "looked up to them".  Then one of the guy's roommate came home and started really fucking with me hard.  He singled me out and spent about 30 minutes (which felt like 3 hours) messing with me and enjoyed watching how confused I got.  This created such a massive mind loop in my head that it took me weeks to feel normal.

After that trip I had the same come up anxiety, to the point where I quit for years.  After spending a few years meditating and reading everything I could get my hands on regarding philosophy, spirituality, quantum physics, biocentrism, etc. I decided I wanted to get back into tripping from time to time because I used to love it so much. 

When I came back I still had the come up anxiety, albeit not nearly as much as I used to.  I haven't found a "cure", but making sure the set and setting are ideal and not being somewhere where an unwanted situation could pop up, as well as only being with people I 100% trust seems to work.  When I am more responsible with set and setting I can take solace in knowing that the come up anxiety will subside soon, which it always does.




Fucking dickhead bastards fucking with people tripping!

This is great advice.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: TheOneWithFish]
    #23841171 - 11/17/16 10:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know anyone that doesn't get a bit anxious on the come up, I used to trip with people that knew what was coming, so good music was usually playing, and most people mellowed out until things kicked in, most people kind of did their own thing at first, then once things began fully and we were past the anxiousness, we gradually came back around each other with shit eating grins and talked about life, love, and the pursuit of happiness.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: Lucis]
    #23841353 - 11/17/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've been mixing my mushroom trips with pbut lately. Makes it very relaxing. Last time though the pbut hadn't hit hard enough and I had a pretty rough trip thinking hopeless thoughts about all the horrible things people do in this world. Sometimes the pbut barely works and other times it blows me away so I'm just gonna make sure I'm high as shit before I take any mushroom tea again. The trip did smooth out over a few hours but it was hell for a bit.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #23841424 - 11/17/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What is pbut?  interweb says phosphatidylbutanol, but what in the name of the high dingy doo is that??


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: OakTree]
    #23841493 - 11/17/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What is pbut? 





Phenibut


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: Lucis]
    #23841505 - 11/17/16 12:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Thanks.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: OakTree]
    #23841531 - 11/17/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Phenibut is very addicting for some, I find it's a wonderful substance, but I can't take it that often because it causes me extreme stimulation which is very mellow if that makes sense.

I bought some for social anxiety, and it works very well for that, and I have tried numerous doses of it, higher doses of 1grm and up, and lower doses 250mg-500mg, and it always hits me strong, the lower doses just take longer to build.  I don't know if I would want to experience the feeling that phenibut gives me while on shrooms, although they might go well together, like a mild candyflip.

I am honestly surprised it's still legal though.  I buy it in capsules, but don't take it now, just figured since I spent the money on it, better keep it around.  But it was making my brain feel super charged, like it was activating a part of my brain which I usually don't have activated, in the front of my head I could feel it working.:crazy:


If you buy some, then I suggest taking it 2 times a month, no more than 4 times a month though.  It has a nice afterglow effect, so you don't have to take it everyday.  I have noticed after a higher dose I can feel good for a 7 day week.

But start with a low dose for trip anxiety, I bet 250mg would be a solid before trip dose, give it at least two hours to build fully before taking shrooms though, this way it will have kicked in, phenibut takes a while to kick in so don't redose to quickly.



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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: Lucis] * 1
    #23841563 - 11/17/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Some people find lower doses to have more anxiety because on a large dose you break through the comeup stage quickly but lower doses leave you stuck in the comeup.

Picture a rubber band. The more the rubber band stretches the more anxiety and tension you experience.

If you take a 5g dose you stretch the rubber band so far that it snaps very quickly. If you take 1 gram you will stretch the rubber band but not break through. And you will be left feeling tense and anxious.

Idk if you underatand that but thats the best way i could explain it.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23841760 - 11/17/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Fennario - Thanks for the info.  I may just look into that.  Where would you recommend looking to find a quality product?

BANANA.MAN - I love the rubber band analogy.  I find analogies to be the best way to describe things.  I think all of existence is a sort of microcosm; if you look closely enough you find that just about anything can be related to just about anything.

Like the lyrics from that Moe. song:
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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: OakTree]
    #23841790 - 11/17/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Fennario - Thanks for the info.  I may just look into that.  Where would you recommend looking to find a quality product?

BANANA.MAN - I love the rubber band analogy.  I find analogies to be the best way to describe things.  I think all of existence is a sort of microcosm; if you look closely enough you find that just about anything can be related to just about anything.

Like the lyrics from that Moe. song:
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Haha thanks. The rubber band thing came to me when i started taking 3-3.5 gram doses. Terrence mckenna would explain the same theory and i wouldnt quite underatand why low doses were less anxiety provoking until i pictured the rubber band thing.

It was origionally a rubber wall in my mind but i said rubber band because its more straight forward. Nobody will be like "what do you mean a rubber wall?"

Yeah everything in the universe is made up of simple actions and reactions that combine to make more complex acrioms and reactions.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: TheOneWithFish] * 1
    #23841800 - 11/17/16 01:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've tripped only 15 times or so, but like you, my first trips on shrooms were glorious. Then, the anxiety kicked in, and the nausea, and it ruined shrooms. haven't had a good shrooms trip since, 5 bad ones in a row was enough for me. Then I tried LSD, had a few great times, and then they started intermixing with anxious miserable trips, and the joyous vibes of the first trips can't seem to come back. It's to do with me of course, anticipating and my ego clinging on and not accepting i need to change my ways and whatnot no doubt,  pace endlessly on psychedelics and it absolutely doesn't help. I don't know how I'll overcome it but I know i have to if I want to get anymore out of these drugs :tongue:


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: OakTree]
    #23842574 - 11/17/16 04:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Totally agree with the whole "microcosm of the universe" thing! Everything is relative...


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: Ezuma]
    #23842582 - 11/17/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds exactly like what has been happening to me! Plan on tacking a little bit of Xanax (probably half a mg or so) next time I trip because I recall doing that a couple times back in the day, and even though I didn't take it for the purpose of anxiety-relief, from what I remember it did seem to make tripping a little carefree!


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: TheOneWithFish]
    #23842737 - 11/17/16 05:36 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Seems to be a common thing among people who trip.  Usually the first couple of times go smooth then the anxiety come up starts.  Same thing happened to me, it got to me so bad I can't even think about tripping without getting a weird anxiety feeling.  This also happened to me with reefers.  I used to be able to smoke whenever and wherever  now I can't smoke at all even in the comforts of my own abode.  I think part of it is just getting older and having more problems and more anxiety related problems,  also thinking about he consequences involving the law or even my family or people in my town finding out.

It stinks sometimes I still wish I could do those things but that's part of my past and I got to leave it there.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: DTCharlieB]
    #23843262 - 11/17/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Seems to be a common thing among people who trip.  Usually the first couple of times go smooth then the anxiety come up starts.  Same thing happened to me, it got to me so bad I can't even think about tripping without getting a weird anxiety feeling.




Yup. The come up just seems to get rougher the more you trip.

Shit these days it usually takes me a good 2 hours before I even settle in anymore...that said though I did get my hands on some L recently in which I experienced the smoothest, most subtle come up I've had in years.


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Re: Tripping Anxiety [Re: OakTree]
    #23843461 - 11/17/16 09:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Fennario - Thanks for the info.  I may just look into that.  Where would you recommend looking to find a quality product?

BANANA.MAN - I love the rubber band analogy.  I find analogies to be the best way to describe things.  I think all of existence is a sort of microcosm; if you look closely enough you find that just about anything can be related to just about anything.

Like the lyrics from that Moe. song:
    Sometimes You Find
          You Can Rhyme
              Anything with Anyone



There is only one place to get good phenibut right now but I can't give out sources on this site. Don't buy liftmode brand. Find the source that sells pure in bulk.


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