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Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis
    #23840971 - 11/17/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A lot of us that smoke daily wants to go back to the days when they smoked for their first time and those crazy highs.
I will list what potentiates weed in my opinion and from lots of research (i wont list any psychedelic because its obvious that they potentiate each other)
They are all very easy to find.
Heres the list:

-CACAO: for me its the strongest potentiator, the first time i tried cacao and weed i got the "first time smoking" high and the trippiness. You need cacao not any chocolate, i recomend at least a 70% cacao chocolate and eating a lot :smile:

-ALCOHOL: be carefull about this one because it can become very unpleasant and you may have "the spins" if you drink a lot. It is scientifically proven that if you have alcohol in your blood the intake of thc is higher so its not that you only get more fcked up you get more thc from the same amout of weed (i normally just drink a beer or a very small shot of anything)

-TEA: Combining tea and weed is very pleasant and i think that they found that tea increase the high so its not just the combination of both effects.

-CURCUMIN (turmeric): this indian spice is amazing with weed i normally take one capsule in the morning then smoke and you really dont get tired after getting baked and everytime i take curcumin i need a lot less weed for the same effects. You can eat it with your food or take capsules.

-TOBACCO: personally i feel that tobacco doesnt get you higher but a lot of people say it does and tobacco do contain maoi so idk. Personally when i smoke tobacco after weed i feel like my high is gone for 2-3min then i comes back.

-COFFEE: it does contain maoi and also boost you but it doesnt get you a lot higher just makes the high more pleasant for some people.

-MANGOES: magoes contain mycerene(i think i spelled it wrong) it is found in canabis and it is believed that it doesnt get you higher but increase the time you are high and the euphoria.

All of those(except tobacco) should be ingested 30min to 1h before smoking, sometime 20min is enought on empty stomach.
All of them(except alcohol and mangoes) contain maois and even if they dont interact directly with thc they do synergize well with weed and potentiate each other.
Feel free to correct any false info or tell us any tips you have to get higher or anything that potentiate weed.


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flyingBanana420] * 3
    #23840979 - 11/17/16 09:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

how to potentiate cannabis: take a break


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I do not know its name; I call it tao.
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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flyingBanana420]
    #23840987 - 11/17/16 09:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I have to agree with the Tobacco idea. I have many friends who say it is a huge bonus after smoking and I always thought that also. I have thought of these for the past while now and I agree, I can be nice and baked and smoking a cig actually brings my high way down. I never noticed the effects until I payed attention.


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flyingBanana420]
    #23841298 - 11/17/16 11:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Quote:

flyingBanana420 said:

-MANGOES: magoes contain mycerene(i think i spelled it wrong) it is found in canabis and it is believed that it doesnt get you higher but increase the time you are high and the euphoria.





This is wrong.
It does actually potentiate the effects of THC I actually had an overdose scenario with too much mycrene and it was completely by accident. It wasn't until I was on the ground of my bathroom floor barley able to move wondering why the hell this was all happening to me that I realized....I had been drinking Mango Nectar all day dammit.

It only lengthens the duration if you drink it after you got high. The hops in beer also contain myrcene.


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: AuroraBorealis88]
    #23841526 - 11/17/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How to potentiate cannabis:
Stop smoking cannabis and try shrooms or DMT


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: alwaysbenice] * 2
    #23841585 - 11/17/16 12:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Peganum Harmala, definitely.

As for Tobacco, for me personally Tobacco actually brings me down from the Cannabis headspace so it seems to block out the high ime.

Also there's EO's one can use, like Lemon EO or Orange EO. Lemon EO is really nice, contains Limonene and takes away the anxiety and paranoia and makes the Cannabis feel pretty nice, the Orange EO contains Limonene and Myrcene.


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: Sabnock]
    #23841670 - 11/17/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Sabnock said:
Peganum Harmala, definitely.




Yes. Ground seeds mixed into the bowl and the high is a bit more intense and lasts up to twice as long. :thumbup:

//edit: Same with passionflower / passiflora incarnata. You can buy the dried herb for making tea. The herb is also smokable, just like rue it contains MAOI -compounds to lengthen / increase THC-effects.

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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: Sabnock]
    #23841684 - 11/17/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Mescaline, wait a few hours and then smoke. You'll be a lot higher then if you didn't take the cactus, trust me.


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: Pandemoon] * 1
    #23841717 - 11/17/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Freebase your rue seed first; it works way better for smoking.  Just crush together with a pinch of baking soda and a splash of water before drying.

I also like a bit of salvia in my bowls as it seems to extend effects, maybe some peppermint leaf can help absorption.

"Tobacco increases the vaporization efficiency of THC by as much as 45% under the conditions tested."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18855154?ordinalpos=8&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum

I wonder if any inert substance in a spliff would do the same by encouraging vaporization of thc rather than combustion.


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Edited by flickedbic (11/17/16 02:05 PM)


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: alwaysbenice]
    #23845493 - 11/18/16 02:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah i think smoking dmt before smoking weed increases your high by just a little bit :laugh:


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flickedbic]
    #23845509 - 11/18/16 03:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Flickedbic i saw you tried LSA adducts and i experimented with them but which one actually got you the highest with most visuals of all adducts? I tried making LSH and didnt notice big difference mb placebo but with cinnamon+cumin and a low dose mg i got pretty high but the quality and quantity of mg wasnt enought for any OEV but some CEV.


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flyingBanana420]
    #23846543 - 11/18/16 08:23 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The cinnamaldehyde adduct was the only one that gave me actual  OEV along with some rippling visual effects.  It also gave me bronchial constriction so keep the dose low.

If you mix cinnamon and cumin adducts then you've got to form  and dose them seperately to syncopate peaks... The cinnamaldehyde adduct should be dosed an hour after the cuminaldehyde adduct because it hits really fast (in the hour), while the cuminaldehyde adduct takes as long or maybe longer than LSH to come on (2 hours plus).

I like the cuminaldehyde adduct more:

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LAA+ mint/acetaldehyde  (LAH) gives me vasoconstriction but no bronchial constriction.  Super euphoric. 
LAA+ cinnamaldehyde gave me bronchial constriction.  This is also the only one that has given me actual OEV, and with half my usual dose at that.
LAA+ cuminaldehyde isn't as euphoric as LAH, and isn't as visually strong as cinnamaldehyde adduct, but it is very nice. 

LAH is my favorite, followed closely by the cuminaldehyde adduct then the cinnamaldehyde one.


Quick differentiation:

LAH:  great euphoria and light visuals (haloes, tracers, brightness and color saturation).

LACinnamaldehyde: short duration, rapid come-on, energetic, occasional OEVs (a rapidly expanding white bubble-ring shooting out of the Persian rug).

LACuminaldehyde: good mood,  fair-good energy, long duration, fair-strong visual effects (from gentle "breathing" to "rubber walls", or how a video camera captures after a splash hits it, as water is streaming down the lens).  Thinking is unclouded but not as enhanced or on overdrive mode as with LAH.  Felt holy.


There are a couple other aldehydes that have been proven to be pleasant and useful(German chamomile I think contains one), and many more that form unpleasant or inactive adducts.



My understanding of this reaction in a nutshell:
LSA (call it what you will) + some aldehyde + low PH (4) + cold agitation = an adduct of some form.



Here's my thread on Cuminaldehyde written during and after a great day with it- "hbwr cumin mix kicks ass":  https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21168691#21168691

~Halfway down that^ thread Achuma chimed in on his favoring the cumin adduction over cinnamaldehyde:

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I had a good low dose of the cumin/HBWR mixture and it seemed like it was some mighty powerful stuff(...)  I preferred the one light cumin/ergine experience over my several cinnamon/ergine experiences.





Here's a post of mine on the Cinnamaldehyde reaction: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22081081#22081081





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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Edited by flickedbic (11/18/16 08:39 PM)


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flickedbic]
    #23847542 - 11/19/16 05:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I actually mixed the water containing lsa with cinnamon and cumin then drank it 1h after.
So if cumin take 2h and cinnamon come fast can i take the cumin alone 1h before ingesting the mixture of lsa and cinnamon?  Or does the reaction of cumin and lsa needs time to take place?


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flyingBanana420]
    #23847778 - 11/19/16 08:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Mix the cumin with the LSA before taking it... cumin won't do anything by itself.  Then, mix the cinnamon with LSA and take that one hour after you've drunk the cumin LSA mix.

Both mixtures take the same time to form their adducts, but the cinnamon one comes on really fast and is over quick too so take that mixture an hour after the first mixture.


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flickedbic]
    #23849228 - 11/19/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Oh okay and thanks for the help.
Do you think bronchialconstriction will be strong and does ventoline or any medication for asthma helps with it?


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flyingBanana420]
    #23849639 - 11/19/16 07:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Do you think bronchialconstriction will be strong




It's hard to say, I only experienced it once with the cinnemaldehyde adduct, another member here experienced it with the peppermint  (acetaldehyde) adduct which I've never heard before, so it could be an individual reaction...  just another reason to start low when testing new compounds and combinations.


I'm sure a bronchodilator could be useful.  I read that
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CO2 and NO are most effective natural bronchodilators.


http://www.normalbreathing.com/CO2-natural-bronchodilators.php

Hyperventilating  (like during an exciting peak) causes bronchialconstriction by lowering CO2, this could also be playing a role.
So slowing one's breath and breathing through the nose (where N.O. is) should help. 

There is also the old asthmatic trick of breathing into a paper bag to increase CO2 and cause rapid dilation.

Lots of folks love inhaling N.O. (nitrous oxide) at the peaks of their psychedelic experiences anyways, so that's another option to consider... Edited, thanks for catching that BANANA.MAN


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


Edited by flickedbic (11/20/16 05:55 AM)


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flickedbic]
    #23849813 - 11/19/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

NO is nitric oxide.

N2O is nitrous oxide just so you know.



Kratom/opiates

Coffee

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Raw cacao

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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: BANANA.MAN]
    #23850667 - 11/20/16 07:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Smoked weed couples wonderfully with the peak of morning glory and it's various adducts.  Bronchodilation is another reason to light up:

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The New England Journal of Medicine, a peer-reviewed medical journal, published a 1973 study titled "Single-Dose Effect of Marihuana Smoke. Bronchial Dynamics and Respiratory-Center Sensitivity in Normal Subjects," by L. Vachon et al., that stated:

"Marihuana smoke, unlike cigarette smoke, causes bronchodilation [expansion of the air passages] rather than bronchoconstriction [narrowing of the air passages] and, unlike opiates, does not cause central respiratory depression."

1973 - New England Journal of Medicine 




http://medicalmarijuana.procon.org/view.answers.php?questionID=000132

More recent research confirms the findings;

http://archives.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/2014/01/30/breathe-easier-study-reveals-why-marijuana-smoke-opens-airways


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Favorite entheogen experiences in descending order:
1)Combo of oral DMT + smoked Bufotenine
2)Amanita (urine drank twice)
3)Mushrooms > Achuma 16"+cid(still need higher dose Achuma)> Cid (still need high dose)
4)Morning Glory-HBWR (+cumin, cinnamon aldehyde adducts) > Methyl chavicol (need more activators)
5)Salvia (need to try quid)


All readable matter in the above post is ficticious... any similarities to real life are purely coincidental.

Blessing.


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: flyingBanana420]
    #26794655 - 06/30/20 02:13 PM (3 years, 6 months ago)

Perhaps the initial sensation of marijuana is not comparable to the subsequent sensation, but I do not feel the difference between the first time and the current one. I don't smoke marijuana for fun I so struggle with pain in my back. Five years ago, I was in an accident and got a lot of injuries. They passed, but the pain remained. Friends advised me to try cbd cartridges for VAPE. I tried and was surprised because for the first time in a long time I stopped feeling pain. It was a wonderful feeling. Now I feel it every time I smoke cbd cartridges. Marijuana is medicine, not fun! I'll try it here knockoutcbd.com


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Re: Guide: How to potentiate Cannabis [Re: OwenMackay]
    #26796536 - 07/01/20 08:47 AM (3 years, 6 months ago)

what a fun thread!

I have settled on gum hash,
almost as strong as shatter but easy to smoke in a one hitter.
(not that easy to load into the one hitter but at least it does not stick to everything.
I accidentally bought some when I went for mazar sharif which was sold out. The bud tender said "you will like this", and I do. but it is twice the price of hashish (like shatter).



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