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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
#23853245 - 11/21/16 03:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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coke is very old and natural and has been in the west for 100's of years and in south america for thousands of years, ephedra (natural speed) has been available for 1000's of years. your premise is not solid.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
#23853254 - 11/21/16 03:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Organically they do have shamanic uses and as sympathomimetic drugs I don't doubt they act in similar ways to psilocybin. Maybe the use of different entheogens resulted in the diversity of morals and cultures we see today.
I haven't had coke before(by choice) so I can't compare the experience.
As long as the sympathetic nervous system can be temporarily inhibited and/or stimulated by an entheogen available to our ancestors, my point stands.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
#23853295 - 11/21/16 04:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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your point is absurd. psychedelics are not primarily sympathomimetic.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
#23853309 - 11/21/16 05:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Entheogen use can act to numb the sympathetic nervous system and inhibit the fight or flight response is all I'm saying
A drug doesn't have to act primarily on the sympathetic nervous system to have an effect, especially when considering psychedelics.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
#23853353 - 11/21/16 06:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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but in each case they do not numb the sympathetic nervous system they stimulate it. can you imagine how wrong your triune thing is. scrap it immediately and study science from scratch. try not to remember things backwards.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: phio]
#23853596 - 11/21/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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TFI said: Not here to try and convert anyone but i have a few questions about the evolution of man. I personally believe in jesus christ as my lord and savior but thats me. Now me questions lol
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TFI said: 1. if we are so evolved and our relatives are monkeys, why did man loose his fur and strength in hands and feet?
Fur serves many purposes. One is the regulation of body temperature throughout the seasons. Man developed clothing and other forms technologies to solve this problem. There are other causes i'm sure if you google it. Man created google so you can look this kind of stuff up. Strength in hands and feet are relative to function. We developed tools and technologies.
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TFI said: 2. If we evolved from animals why can man not survive the seasons without building something for shelter or clothing or fire?
Technology is an evolutionary tool that is able to be forged by man's evolved brain. You're missing the point.
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TFI said: 3. Why is man the only species that cultivates food such as farming and ranching?
Technology. You're missing the point.
Ok but if man came from nature and not god why would nature create something so destructive? Why would we shed our fur only to plow fields for clothing? Why would nature evolve something that destroys everything lol destruction of forrest for homes, digging for oil to burn in our cars we build.. Other animals have no need for this
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
#23853669 - 11/21/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nature isn't conscious. Evolution is random.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#23853799 - 11/21/16 10:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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But out of all this time earth has been here nothing comes close to the destruction caused by man. Nothing. We just happen to be the exception of destruction?
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
#23853822 - 11/21/16 10:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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TFI said: ... Ok but if man came from nature and not god why would nature create something so destructive? Why would we shed our fur only to plow fields for clothing? Why would nature evolve something that ...
this explains the flaw in your comprehension. you are equating nature and god as "higher beings" able to create, and or "evolve" creatures.
At least with nature you can say the fabric of nature creates and perpetuates itself, and evolution is part of that process, but nature is not an actor. You can watch parts of nature changing, mating, spawning, growing, dying etc - this is the activity of naturalists, many of whom are biologists. What they are observing in nature is how things are naturally, i.e. without interference.
You can say we went out into nature, but you do not mean that you entered an entity, but rather that you had a walk outside or in the forest, and not in the house, unless you have an indoor garden or built the house around a tree.
Evolution is not derived from evolving, it is instead observed after such events in which new species form by surviving mutations and breeding successfully.
at the most you can say one species evolved from another, or you could say that a species that has several mutations and is experiencing a genetic drift is "potentially evolving", but until a new species forms (which does not breed back into the main population), you would not say that evolution had occurred. The vast variety of breeds of dogs, for instance does not quite indicate that dogs are evolving, but if,for example, noodle hounds begin to appear that can not cross bred with other dachshund dogs, and if the new noodle hound puppies are sexually fertile with other noodle hounds, then the noodle hound will be a newly evolved species with the obvious link to other dogs through the dachshunds (with which they no longer mate and produce sexually viable puppies - i.e. new separate species).
In any case nature is not behind this - nature is not an agency for evolution, but it does accommodate evolution, because nature accommodates mutations, and nature accommodates survival and nature accommodates death. Even all that accommodating does not mean to say that nature an agent, only that nature absorbs these events normally.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#23853831 - 11/21/16 10:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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When a horse and a donkey make a baby it is infertile. Evolution is stupid.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Crazy_Horse]
#23853845 - 11/21/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So nature will absorb the events of a nuclear holocaust caused by man and eventually absorb the events of life in the center of said holocaust? (Trying to think of most harmful man made disaster) basically meaning nature has no role right?
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
#23853860 - 11/21/16 10:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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nature accommodates things without interference, but even it absorbs things that are very unnatural such as an atom bomb to a greater and lesser degree.
we should not fuck too much with nature, nor should we imagine that any god can save us from disasters of our own making.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
#23853874 - 11/21/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Evolution makes blobfish sad.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines] 1
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
#23854875 - 11/21/16 04:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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redgreenvines said: but in each case they do not numb the sympathetic nervous system they stimulate it. can you imagine how wrong your triune thing is. scrap it immediately and study science from scratch. try not to remember things backwards.
I understand that entheogens stimulate the nervous system but in doing so they over time numb that part of the nervous system. It's like when you work out and stimulate your muscles, eventually they feel numb and worn out.
Are you scared of the idea or something?
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
#23855220 - 11/21/16 06:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think aspects of Freud's ideas can be used for diagnosis of mental conditions
Absolutely. Psychoanalysis is an incredibly powerful methodology.
I used to blow off Freud as a nut, but the guy was a genius.
He identified aspects of the major causes of neurosis (depression, anxiety, rage, violence)
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: RJ Tubs 202]
#23855514 - 11/21/16 08:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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no wonder we have trump
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
#23855539 - 11/21/16 08:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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We have Trump because the American public is sick of corporate greed and the obvious oligarchy they find themselves in.
America was fit for regime change and instead of a progressive senator like Bernie Sanders a fraudulent scam artist made his way through with false promises because the DNC smothered Bernie with the media, hence why DNC chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz was fired and Donna Brazile had to step down from her position in CNN.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: sudly]
#23856417 - 11/22/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Trump became president because everyones sick of obama. Sick of weakening our nations defense, sick of letting millions of illegal aliens into the country, sick of sending our jobs to china and mexico, sick of the threat that the government wants to ban firearms, sick of uppity arrogant people like clinton and berney sanders, sick of the way obama spent trillions upon trillions of our dollars, sick of letting isis run rampant... I could go on an on lmao. All i herd from berniesanders is were gonna tax the rich and have free college.. (And the crowd goes wild) freeeeeeeeeee.. (Bernie bernie bernie)
If were going to have free college whos gonna pay for the colleges to run and pay and keep up with the latest books and education.. Guess that would be me and you and you and you and the rest of the american people, on top of keeping obamacare.. Yay more taxes.. No wonder the working class is getting fucked, jobs keep going oversees and taxes get higher... Thats just a few reasons trump is president. Not saying yes the be all to end all but its better than a communistic cunt or a socialist old fart
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
#23856651 - 11/22/16 09:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I guess we found a strong Trump supporter, any alt right feelings to go with your evolutionary wisdom?
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