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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] * 1
    #23841364 - 11/17/16 11:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There are answers for all of these questions, some of which have already been given.  On the fur issue, I replied above:

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1.  Man lost his fur to keep his brain from overheating.  The need to keep a cool head is what made us the naked ape.  We do not know for sure why we lost our primate strength, but it is theorized that since the human brain has much higher energy requirements, our muscles had to lose out in our development.




Is that not a sufficient answer? 

We also started to farm well after we evolved into our current form, which I also covered.  To answer your question adequately would take an anthropological treatise that is far from the scope of this thread.

But that's enough polite banter from me, I'm with OC in the sense that I don't think you really want answers.  You've gotten a few and ignored them.  Whatever.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] * 1
    #23841388 - 11/17/16 11:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

TFI your confusion is due to different meanings of the word 'evolution' and your not knowing there are different meanings.

Yes colloquially evolution may mean perfection, as in: "Look how my drawing, or novel, or hook shot evolved until I got it just right".

But biologically it has a different meaning, having to do with adaptation, reproductive fitness in a particular time and place, and so on. It is understandable by a layman willing to invest a little time, but a little too complex to expect anyone on this message board to give a science lesson. The info is readily available, even on youtube no reading necessary, also consider that genetic evidence, in court saves folks incorrectly convicted, from death.

Who knows if you find yourself taking the time to understand how it works you just might actually find it interesting and enjoyable.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: laughingdog]
    #23841534 - 11/17/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Good clarification. :thumbup:

If a creature is alive today it has evolved perfectly, meaning that it adapted to its environment.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23841601 - 11/17/16 12:31 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Good clarification. :thumbup:

If a creature is alive today it has evolved perfectly, meaning that it adapted to its environment.




an example of this is that our DNA sequence for how we metabolize sugar is the exact same as trees, plants, mushrooms, monkeys (everything in the world). because why would you do it differently if it works so well.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: numnum59]
    #23841608 - 11/17/16 12:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

also to OP look at how humans domesticated dogs from wolves. all dogs to date from German shepherds to apple head Chihuahuas came from the same ancestor, wolves. this is artificial selection. we picked the traits we liked and the dogs evolved that way.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23841618 - 11/17/16 12:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

well the basis of my questions were like asking if god is real or not? Nobody has a solid answer, nobody really knows. I didnt wanna start a fight or im right your wrong type of deal. I read each reply and simply replied with another question. Like whys my motor broke? Well your spark plugs dont work. Why? Why why? Why! Lmao all of you have givin me things to think about which is what i wanted. I didnt mean to ignore answers as i simply cannot answer some, clearly lmao.

I guess i tend to look into the future of things and see how is it going to continue? everything in nature plays a specifc roll in how tomorrows generation will survive, except man lol we dominate the world and harvest nature to our benfits. I suppose that we evolved into the humans we are today by using our surroundings. That makes sense. What dosent make sense to me is we build. We built these huge cities and run them off fossil fuel. Instead of having a huge grouping of humans in the wild. Everything we use to survive is built by man, the second things break or if we lose our winter clothes we are fucked, better hope the storm passes quick lol. animals dont have to. And if we came from animals why did we lose all that stuff only to destroy the world around us? But you guys have peaked my intrest and ima go try to understand how and where we evolved from.

Im literally laughing at the notion we lost our fur due to overheating but im sure yall are laughing at me for thinking jesus is our lord and savior. Lifes like a mirror, sometimes you see yourself sometimes you see the surroundings behind you. I think im looking at myself here so ima go read lmao


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
    #23841631 - 11/17/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ok see now i see im wrong on what im trying to pick at. But thats cause every idoit like me takes things for.

What would you call it tho? Mankinds beginning? Cause what i know about evolution is very nill, what they tought me was evolution. Came from monkeys. Evolved into what we are today.. Picking on evolution isnt what im tryin to get at i suppose, hell i guess im not sure what to call it lmao


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
    #23841668 - 11/17/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"well the basis of my questions were like asking if god is real or not?"

depends on how you define God and secondly on what the definition means to you
and thirdly what consequences the answer you decide upon has for you in your life.

Note you have not defined the word 'real' either. Hence my answer hints at how one might  direct their thought process to sort it out - as No one here is your God and can give you the answer, that even "god' apparently is not giving you.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
    #23841672 - 11/17/16 12:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

To briefly answer your question about why modern civilization is such a cluster-fuck of toxic cities and mind-numbing exploitation of what remains of the natural world, let me say that:

Populations grew at a small but nonzero rate at certain places during the late Paleolithic and early Neolithic, and in some places population pressure came to a point that foraging was no longer sufficient to sustain the population.  (That's one theory).  What that meant was that crops had to be grown and cared for.  What this also meant was that irrigation became necessary.  And what that meant was that some chief or leader had to be elected to administer the irrigation procedures, and possibly other matters.  Over time this grew more complex.  Animal husbandry became common, religions formed, specialization in artisan, priest and warrior classes (etc.) became the norm, and history unfolded.  What you see around you today is the result so far of the complexification of this process.  Things today are very complicated, but with a little imagination it's not too hard to see how everything evolved culturally from the initial conditions I've mentioned.

Here is an interesting quote from Marvin Harris: "...for the first time there appeared on earth kings, dictators, high priests, emperors, prime ministers, presidents, governors, mayors, generals, admirals, police chiefs, judges, lawyers, and jailers, along with dungeons, jails, penitentiaries, and concentration camps. Under the tutelage of the state, human beings learned for the first time how to bow, grovel, kneel, and kowtow. In many ways the rise of the state was the descent of the world from freedom to slavery."


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] * 1
    #23841676 - 11/17/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I never seen a monkey having a human baby.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: laughingdog]
    #23841679 - 11/17/16 12:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"Im literally laughing at the notion we lost our fur due to overheating"

fur was not just lost, it goes along with sweating for cooling, we are only mammal that can do this -- do a web search on " hunter gatherer endurance hunting " for the in depth explaination.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: laughingdog] * 1
    #23841704 - 11/17/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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do a web search on " hunter gatherer endurance hunting " for the in depth explaination.



Or just watch this:



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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: laughingdog]
    #23841730 - 11/17/16 01:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

the fundamental flaw in evolution comes from its basis in geologic gradualism.  gradualism is the mainstream theory of geologic formations and changes.  catastrophism is the actual observed reality.

when you start putting the pieces together, it becomes obvious that there was a great civilization here for many thousands of years that was wiped out by a catastrophe. the unlucky survivors took shelter in caves and relearned to be earthlings on a new surface. from those traumatized few, we have emerged.

biological diversity is waning, not increasing. the natural state of the universe is from order to disorder unless acted on by outside forces. evolution is a failed attempt to refute this basic truth.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: nothing exists]
    #23841759 - 11/17/16 01:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I eagerly await your Nobel Prize for deconstructing the theory of evolution , or at the very least, your published white paper in a reputable journal. :waits:


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: laughingdog]
    #23841779 - 11/17/16 01:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

"well the basis of my questions were like asking if god is real or not?"

“That makes sense. What dosent make sense to me is … only to destroy the world around us? “

both your questioning about God or religion and about evolution seems to relate to the question of why is the world and mankind so difficult or messed up.

It might surprise you that while most religions attempt to supply some sort of answer,  (such as “original sin” - or the idea that “bad” people deserve punishment in hell), and prescribe moral behavior as a way to salvation in the afterlife; Buddhism takes as it’s starting point , that we all do indeed suffer, in both obvious and more subtle ways, but proceeds to analyze: how we process our experiences internally, and how this directly affects how much we suffer in each moment.

This different approach allows the individual to experiment and experience answers from their own mind and body (physiology and psychology). As a result it may be more interesting, than being given ‘answers’.

That how we process our experiences internally,  is actually available to our personal investigation, is perhaps a true miracle. And that we can change how we attend to experience, is another.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
    #23842158 - 11/17/16 03:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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(... various obliquely related questions answered inline below ...)



1. if we are so evolved and our relatives are monkeys, why did man loose his fur and strength in hands and feet? - evolution involves survival from mutation in a competitive environment. Mutations that express a variety of fur and hair and even scales are very common among mammals - just do a little research on this and you will find it fascinating

2. If we evolved from animals why can man not survive the seasons without building something for shelter or clothing or fire? -Many animals create a den or shells and do not even try to live without their den's or shell. Our homes and clothing are more artful correlates of that - just do a little research on this and you will find it fascinating

3. Why is man the only species that cultivates food such as farming and ranching? - many animals grow crops of fungus to eat or harvest and process bounty from the wild, or herd other animals (like ants herding aphids) - just do a little research on this and you will find it fascinating

if nothing else use Google and ask such questions, one by one, and you will be the wiser for it.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23842379 - 11/17/16 04:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I'm getting more hair as I get older, does that mean I am devolving?


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
    #23842550 - 11/17/16 04:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Not here to try and convert anyone but i have a few questions about the evolution of man. I personally believe in jesus christ as my lord and savior but thats me. Now me questions lol

1. if we are so evolved and our relatives are monkeys, why did man loose his fur and strength in hands and feet?

2. If we evolved from animals why can man not survive the seasons without building something for shelter or clothing or fire?

3. Why is man the only species that cultivates food such as farming and ranching?




1. Hominids adapted to not living in jungle trees.

2. We adapted to a lifestyle of technology though people like Bear Grylls are a fine example of humans being able to survive in the wild.

Additionally animals have different physiologies e.g. a polar bear can survive better in the Arctic than a camel.

3. We are not the only animals that cultivate food or perform activities such as farming.
Symbiotic relationships in nature can give rise to farming and cultivation as is seen between the relationship of ant species and aphids in a natural phenomenon called Aphid-Herding.


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23842638 - 11/17/16 05:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I eagerly await your Nobel Prize for deconstructing the theory of evolution , or at the very least, your published white paper in a reputable journal. :waits:



it is obvious that people are losing interest in your faked up science religion. no reputable journal has credibility. and neither do their supporters. your club has been inbred to the point of disability. my condolences on your loss.

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The reason for the mass retraction is mind-blowing: A “peer review and citation ring” was apparently rigging the review process to get articles published.




https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/10/scholarly-journal-retracts-60-articles-smashes-peer-review-ring/?tid=a_inl


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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
    #23842658 - 11/17/16 05:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Get with it gramps, peer review and science are out. Wild speculation is in. you are what's known as a dinosaur.


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