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Flaws in the theory of evolution
#23840933 - 11/17/16 08:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Not here to try and convert anyone but i have a few questions about the evolution of man. I personally believe in jesus christ as my lord and savior but thats me. Now me questions lol
1. if we are so evolved and our relatives are monkeys, why did man loose his fur and strength in hands and feet?
2. If we evolved from animals why can man not survive the seasons without building something for shelter or clothing or fire?
3. Why is man the only species that cultivates food such as farming and ranching?
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
#23840946 - 11/17/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. We did not evolve from monkeys.
2. Because humans were never meant to live in places that get that cold. And several animals also have to seek shelter.
3. It's not.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
#23840950 - 11/17/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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1)a. possibly to help keep our evolved brains from overheating B. As an evolutionary way to shed the fleas and ticks and such, without fur its harder for them to hide C. As a sexual evolution much in the way a peacock has its feathers, furless humans could show off healthy skin. Thus being more sexually desireable
2) i think we could survive or the bare minimum, i just think this statement could be construed as more of a comfort thing.
3) because we had to learn cultivation of food to sustain our populations and also to move away from a nomadic lifestyle. Our brains are evolved enough to use tools and better ourselves in many ways
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] 1
#23840962 - 11/17/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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1. Man lost his fur to keep his brain from overheating. The need to keep a cool head is what made us the naked ape. We do not know for sure why we lost our primate strength, but it is theorized that since the human brain has much higher energy requirements, our muscles had to lose out in our development.
2. As the poster above said, humans evolved in a more or less equatorial/tropical environment. The temperature was in an ideal range all year long. Northern tribes in Europe, for example, developed a cultural evolution in habitat technology to remain alive in colder climes after migrating there for whatever reason.
3. Man in his natural state does not cultivate food or engage in farming of any kind. When agriculture appeared in the Fertile Crescent ~10,000 ya, it was a cultural change, not a biological one. We do not know why agriculture formed in the way that it did, because it is a much more difficult way to make a living than foraging. Some think it was population pressure, some think it was an ideological revolution -- we simply don't know. But ultimately the answer to your question is that we engage in it, in part, because we are the only species with the brains and the opposable thumbs to do so. How it began remains a mystery.
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We're not the only species that farms.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Solivagant]
#23840972 - 11/17/16 09:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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No other species farms on anywhere near the level we do. That other species may farm is academic.
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No, it's not. And who cares about "on the level we do." Just because we do it bigger doesn't mean we should treat it like something unique to us. Ants farm fungus and feed millions off it. Sounds like a pretty high level to me.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Solivagant]
#23841002 - 11/17/16 09:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What relevance does ant farming have? Human farming happens for totally different reasons, other than the obvious one to feed people. Moreover, human farming happens for cultural reasons, not sociobiological ones.
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It's relevant because the op acted like humans are the only species that's farms and that that's a flaw in the theory of evolution. To go on without acknowledging that we are far from the only creatures to farm would be silly. And I don't see what "reasoning" has to do with his question. The motives to farm have nothing to do with the question "why are we the only ones to farm?" When we in fact are not.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Solivagant] 2
#23841031 - 11/17/16 09:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a good answer. 
I see where you are coming from now.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
#23841065 - 11/17/16 09:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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TFI said: Not here to try and convert anyone but i have a few questions about the evolution of man. I personally believe in jesus christ as my lord and savior but thats me. Now me questions lol
1. if we are so evolved and our relatives are monkeys, why did man loose his fur and strength in hands and feet?
2. If we evolved from animals why can man not survive the seasons without building something for shelter or clothing or fire?
3. Why is man the only species that cultivates food such as farming and ranching?
1. Are you aware that many Christians believe in the theory of evolution? Look up the founder of the Human Genome Project. Thus your preface has no bearing.
2. Questions are not flaws. All they do is reveal your ignorance on the subject. (Loose? Really?)
3. Why not either actually study the subject, if it is important to you, and/or go to a biology website rather than a philosophy forum for better insight into the mechanisms of evolution? I don't go to a gardening forum when I have a problem with my automobile engine.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: Solivagant]
#23841076 - 11/17/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ok good answers.
Solivgant: the reason i bring up farming is because we substain our population off farms and ranching all of our meat and fruits veggies come from farm/ranches. When was the last time anyone saw a group of animals irrigating land to substain their population growth? And why does man seek to further his population compared to animals who just seek to basically live or do what animals do
About why we lost our hair and strength is always a wild answer but none have come close to me. If man had hair and was like a monkey to an extent wouldnt we have kept that for winter survival? Kept our tails for balance? Evolution to me would me that man gets better not worse, why would we lose our hair to only farm cotton for clothes destroying miles upon miles of natural land only to build clothes. How many trees has man killed in order to build shelter? Animals basically hunker down and survive the cold fronts and storms as where we run and seek our home that we built.. If you really watch nature everything recycles and plays a major role in which nature can recycle and continue.. Man has no place in that recycle system.. We build and destroy
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI]
#23841084 - 11/17/16 09:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Orgoneconclusion: like many liberals you didnt answer the question lol
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] 1
#23841107 - 11/17/16 09:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apparently you have no idea how to debate. Attacking the person is a standard ploy of the ignorant and has no place in philosophical discussion.
I would wager heavily that you have failed to read the very simple rules of the forum and the Fallacies sticky thread. That would be a good beginning.
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] 1
#23841155 - 11/17/16 10:16 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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TFI said: Ok good answers.
Solivgant: the reason i bring up farming is because we substain our population off farms and ranching all of our meat and fruits veggies come from farm/ranches. When was the last time anyone saw a group of animals irrigating land to substain their population growth? And why does man seek to further his population compared to animals who just seek to basically live or do what animals do
About why we lost our hair and strength is always a wild answer but none have come close to me. If man had hair and was like a monkey to an extent wouldnt we have kept that for winter survival? Kept our tails for balance? Evolution to me would me that man gets better not worse, why would we lose our hair to only farm cotton for clothes destroying miles upon miles of natural land only to build clothes. How many trees has man killed in order to build shelter? Animals basically hunker down and survive the cold fronts and storms as where we run and seek our home that we built.. If you really watch nature everything recycles and plays a major role in which nature can recycle and continue.. Man has no place in that recycle system.. We build and destroy
Did you even read my post? We evolved in a tropical/subtropical habitat, so that the loss of fur would not have adversely affected our ability to make a living. Other considerations became necessary as we migrated. There is no winter in the tropics. 
Also, all animals seek to augment their populations. That is the entire essence of survival. Passing on genes. Every single species in the world, from microorganisms to three-toed sloths, is engaged in that activity.
This point will probably be very much lost on you, but civilization occurs for cultural reasons in the end -- we have not changed biologically in over 100,000 years, but civilization as we know it is 8-10,000 years old. Man does not farm naturally. A subtle point, so please think about it before you dismiss it.
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Having an agenda is a far cry from seeking the truth. That much was obvious from the beginning of this thread.
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Very true.
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"I don't want to convert anyone, but I will mention something personal that has nothing to do with evolution."
Intellectual dishonesty at its lowest.
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Divided: i understand theirs no winter in tropics but that dosent explain why man would lose necassary items for survival. The point im trying to light up and nobody has seemed to come across (friends and you guys) is that if were evolving why did we lose our ability to survive the weather? To me (not trying to push my agenda or make you feel stupid by any means) it makes no since why we would lose parts of our body that would be essential for survial only to farm and grow something (clothing material) that we already had., that to me seems like evolution going backwards, were the only species that wears clothes and builds things.
Orgoneconclusion: yet to answer lol but i see where your coming from, forgive my stupidity
The way i look at it is (and keep in mind im a simpleton who still follows the teachings of a book passed down threw time) that it makes absolutely zero sense to get further from nature as we have, if were evolving why did we drop all the essentials needed for basic survival, why do we build homes and cities? If man was from nature why are we so destructive towards nature? Everything and i mean everything man touches goes to shit.. We build cars and decided to drill for oil to run said car instead of keeping horses around. We cut down living legends only to produce paper and homes. We farm the land because its hard to follow a pack of animals or find enough fruit to substain for 20 years in a single area. To me personally if we came from chimps we should follow the chimps but man simply cannot live in the wild without making tools or building something. Why would we evolve to lose that?
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Re: Flaws in the theory of evolution [Re: TFI] 2
#23841349 - 11/17/16 11:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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You still have not listed a single flaw.
Have you taken even a basic course in evolution? Do you even know what it means?
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