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moonrockmushy
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#23840646 - 11/17/16 03:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So I recently locked my key in my office at work, which was slightly embarrassing but luckily my boss showed up with a spare key before I broke out the steel mallet.
In the meantime I was trying to pick the lock with metal rods and paperclips and a screwdriver. Had no luck but I think I understand the principle or pin and tumbler locks, and have always been curious about lock-picking from a problem solving perspective.
I know there is at least one locksmith here, but I forget who. I was wondering if anyone had any recommendations on what I should be buying as a beginner. I know that you usually get what you pay for, and I do have some cash I could drop, but don't want to spend money when I don't really know what I'm looking for.
Do bump keys actually work?
Any brands or material I should be looking for/avoiding?
Should I just get a padlock to learn on, just use doors around the house, or buy a special learning lock with the clear plastic or changable pins?
Any advice would be appreciated.
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I dunno how much value my advice would really have. I taught myself to pick locks, I don't make a habit of it but my grandma lost a key to the drawer for her desk that had all her pictures and stuff. I got pretty good at it (to the point that having the key would be pointless) but it wasn't a high security lock so I dunno how long it would take me fiddling around with one before I got that open. I would guess I could get into most basic locks if I really wanted to.
Bump keys do work, assuming the lock isn't bump resistant. Though they might be illegal to carry around in some places or under a catch all clause of "burglary tools". Then again, a professional lock pick kit would probably be no different .
Everyone learns things differently. If you can visualize what you're doing in real time then a see through practice system might be more beneficial to you, but since you won't be able to see in a legitimate lock it might be better to just learn by feel only.
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moonrockmushy
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Yeah I'm not going to be carrying them around, so that is not a concern. I guess I should just find a shitty lock with some play in it and work my way up to more challenging ones.
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Why do I get the feeling this advice is going to be used for something illegal
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moonrockmushy
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If already have a prybar, sledge, and cutting torch and I don't steal now. Locks aren't what's preventing me from becoming a burglar.
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Well if you're not carrying it around, it's going to be as useless as the key you left at home
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Mang, there is this really common brand of combo locks and a good hack online for them I can't remember atm to fucking high. I got really good at opening them in middle school, so good I would pop and swap them all the time so ppl couldn't get into their lockers aha.
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It's pretty easy to improvise lockpicking tools once you understand exactly what you need to do
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If I were you, I'd practice on a lock using just lock picks...get to the bump keys after you have managed to pick a few locks the old fashioned way!
That's how I learned, anyway: I got locked out of my house after school. Rather than wait the hour or so until someone got home, I started trying to pick our lock. Used a small flathead screwdriver as a torque tool, and a hairpin for a bouncer. Took me about 45 minutes the first time. I was able to get that down to 10 minutes after a couple days
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Re: Lock-picking [Re: trendal]
#23841863 - 11/17/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yeah I have access to a machine shop and all kinds of scrap metal. I was actually in the middle of making a pick with a small strip of steel when my boss showed up. Maybe I will see how I can do with that first and at least that will give me an idea of what I need. a paperclip just didn't have enough tension to lift all the pins at once. I could get the first few but not set any that I could tell, and when I tried getting the back ones it would bend too much.
I used to be able to crack those locker locks in high school. More interested in pin and tumbler atm.
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Simple doors can be opened with a flat-edge/credit card
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moonrockmushy
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Yeah this is a simple handle lock but the frame of the door extends past the edge, so that wasn't possible without doing damage.
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moonrockmushy
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Shroomslip said: Well if you're not carrying it around, it's going to be as useless as the key you left at home 
I didn't leave the key at home, I locked it in the office.
I'm not going to carry picks everywhere. Possibly I will throw them in my car toolbox, but that is just as likely to get me in trouble should I ever get searched as it will save the day.
More interested in it as a problem solving exercise like I said. I am a hoarder and so are my employers, locks are not in short supply. I could have smashed the handle off with a hammer and put on a new one, or cored out the lock and nobody would have cared.
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Just look up dirty lock picking.
It's pretty easy to open a door or locked cupboard with a pair of paper clips.
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Re: Lock-picking [Re: TNK] 1
#23842053 - 11/17/16 02:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I won't go into detail about picking locks because I belive that it is a skill that not everybody should have. But if you understand the principle of a pin tumbler lock get yourself some spring steel and you should be able to work it out.
The picture above is fairly accurate but it's missing the second set of pins.
And not sure on the laws where you are but here it is illegal for even a locksmith to have picks in their vehical unless they can prove they are on the way to or from a job.
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Those pics are from morrowind so that is surprising they are even remotely accurate. I guess not that surprising, Morrowind was the shit
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moonrockmushy
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It's not sorcery.
I understand how it looks. Like I said I don't care about opening doors, just seems like a neat skill to have in a fix.
I should have some spare time at work tomorrow I will bust out some tools and give it a go.
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zZZz
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Start off with one of these

I'd use these to the pick the locks at schools and such so I could skate at the schools without jumping fences n shit. That was many moons ago tho.
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Re: Lock-picking [Re: zZZz]
#23842343 - 11/17/16 03:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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What is the knob for just to change the tool?
Also you would need a tensioner too, right?
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zZZz
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The knob is just to lower the pick, same as a pen..
I don't know what u mean by tensioner, but that thing on the pen comes off and u use it to twist the door knob once u loosen it..
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Re: Lock-picking [Re: zZZz]
#23842371 - 11/17/16 04:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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ahh I see I thought that was just a pocket clip.
I'm tempted. $25 isn't bad and I could just grind off the markings and throw that in the bottom of my toolbox and it wouldn't be sketchy.
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Here are some files I have on lockpicking, I've got some ebooks somewhere as well but am having trouble finding them. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/3b0910iyjfgd77c/AAC7a3TjUEbjQd7mV8RvbVGJa?dl=0
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shit im tempted to get one too, It's a good way to pass the time, get urself a lock and u can do it while ur watching tv or something, and even start timing urself when u get the hang of it.. But man That feeling u get when u finally pick that lock is pure bliss man..
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sorry its still uploading will be an hour
Edit: heres some PDF's still will be an hour before they are available, its only uploading at 500kb/s for some reason. https://www.dropbox.com/sh/cztxgepmsabohi1/AAAu9L8W6HriDmJk_Pc7tcy-a?dl=0
-------------------- Vegetation has crawled for miles towards the cities. It is waiting. Once the city is dead, the vegetation will cover it, will climb over the stones, grip them, search them, make them burst with its long black pincers; it will blind the holes and let its green paws hang over everything. —Jean-Paul Sartre, Nausea
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Look on YouTube man, you can learn to pick most any lock with a little practice. It's not as easy as they make it seem though.
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moonrockmushy
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Chemical Addiction said: sorry its still uploading will be an hour
What's that? I was able to d/l 4 videos. Much thanks, especially the making picks one. Will check that out later.
5 if I get a good template going I will send you one should you want it.
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Id say learn all the different lock types for starters, each one will require more or less different technique, some being worth the effort and some damn near impossible without a complex tool to hit tumblers.
Ive drilled out alot of safe locks i lost keys to. They were too complex but ive had luck picking lots of gas tank locks, door knobs, cheap lock boxes and other simple things i just use and pair of thin flat piece i machined and a pair of welding rods can easily compres the few spring loaded tumblers and flip the lock.
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moonrockmushy
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What did you use to machine them? I can use a milling machine but I was just gonna grind and brush some strips of steel into different style picks. Like triangle shaped tabs as well as thin right angle ones.
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Chemical Addiction said: sorry its still uploading will be an hour
What's that? I was able to d/l 4 videos. Much thanks, especially the making picks one. Will check that out later.
5 if I get a good template going I will send you one should you want it.
Dropbox says its still uploading i'm surprised you got any files yet, still says 43 mins left. I downloaded a shitload of ebooks/videos when I was 17 or 18 and haven't looked at them much since (8 years). I've got file on explosives, drugs, and mostly survival info from when I was hanging out with survivalist type people. I can buy lock picks through my dad if I ever want to take the time to learn, thanks though.
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well I check in the morning for anything I missed.
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I've never lockpicked doors much. But I'm terrible about leaving my keys in my car. Can break into a car in a matter of moments. I usually kept my equipment in my backpack that's how forgetful I can be. 
Leaving my lights on as well. Always made sure to have jumpers in the trunk. Breaking into my own car and getting it jumped was a weekly occurrence.
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Re: Lock-picking [Re: zZZz] 1
#23842845 - 11/17/16 05:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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zZZz said:
I'd use these to the pick the locks at schools and such so I could skate at the schools without jumping fences n shit. That was many moons ago tho.
Sometimes on Friday, in high school, I used to put a piece of Bubble Yum in the door jamb hole so the latch could not fully engage, and I could get into school during the weekend.
Although I'm a biologist, I love all things mechanical, and I highly recommend this book, which I own
"Visual Guide to Lock Picking" by Mark McCloud
Available for free here https://www.scribd.com/doc/62762606/Visual-Guide-to-Lock-Picking
And tons of other great stuff on the web
http://www.capricorn.org/~akira/home/lockpick/chapter2.html
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