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zZZz
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would u give up ur freedom for security?..
#23840346 - 11/16/16 10:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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if giving up ur guns meant bigger pay checks, would u do it?..
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Repertoire89
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: zZZz]
#23840356 - 11/16/16 11:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Don't have any guns, but I would not trade the ability to own one for money
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Eminence



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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Repertoire89]
#23840417 - 11/16/16 11:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's a tough one..that would mean I'd likely end up having more money/stuff to potentially be stolen from my home, and now I can't shoot a burglar who might still have a gun..
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Prisoner#1
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: zZZz]
#23840430 - 11/16/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
zZZz said: if giving up ur guns meant bigger pay checks, would u do it?..
if I have a gun and you dont, that means you also dont have a bigger paycheck because my gun get me your, you brother's and your neighbor's paychecks
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Big Worm
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Eminence] 2
#23840441 - 11/17/16 12:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nah. Guns have the capacity to create security.
It's a slippery slope and the government doesn't make me feel secure in the first place.
I feel safe already, i make good money and own multiple firearms.
If i gave up my firearms to the government. And someone comes in my house with a gun with the intention to rob or kill me, am i more secure?
If someoe knows you keep a loaded pistol/shotgun next to your bed, it's unlikely they will still try to come into your house with malicious intentions. If you appear to be an easy target with no weapons, you are less secure and unable to defend yourself if the situation arises.
I take a pistol with me hiking too due to bears and mountain lions. People hunt for food. Why give your rights away to a government that has never been looking out for your best interests?
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akira_akuma
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Big Worm] 2
#23840444 - 11/17/16 12:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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we become what we behold
https://ncase.itch.io/wbwwb
PS:
no.
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twighead
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23840526 - 11/17/16 01:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
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zZZz said: if giving up ur guns meant bigger pay checks, would u do it?..
if I have a gun and you dont, that means you also dont have a bigger paycheck because my gun get me your, you brother's and your neighbor's paychecks
I dare you to kill me!
Got Allah on speed dial,
Heaven is ready!
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SunnyD
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: zZZz] 3
#23840560 - 11/17/16 01:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's pansy shit
Freedom is what makes life worth living I rather die than live in constant violent oppression
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: zZZz]
#23841667 - 11/17/16 12:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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define freedom and security in this instance, as both are highly subjective. If you mean specifically just the right to have guns, maybe, having never owned a gun I can't really say I feel strongly either way
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Acaterpillar
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Ezuma] 2
#23841673 - 11/17/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fuck that. We Texans like our guns.
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: SunnyD]
#23841701 - 11/17/16 01:03 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
SunnyD said: That's pansy shit
Freedom is what makes life worth living I rather die than live in constant violent oppression
but the question wasn't freedom vs violent oppression, it was freedom vs security (highly questionable terms though, I mean what does freedom mean, and what does security mean in this case? They could be assigned to so many variable conditions
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Konyap

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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Ezuma]
#23841712 - 11/17/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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almost all of the problems with guns can be solved by putting camera's everywhere
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Ezuma
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Konyap] 1
#23841716 - 11/17/16 01:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: almost all of the problems with guns can be solved by putting camera's everywhere
cameras everywhere sounds awful, you then essentially give the state the authority to declare and be believed what happened when and where in all situations, if they -as they would- had primary access to the footage. Goodbye drugs, goodbye freedom for sure then.
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psi
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Prisoner#1] 1
#23841724 - 11/17/16 01:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
Prisoner#1 said:
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zZZz said: if giving up ur guns meant bigger pay checks, would u do it?..
if I have a gun and you dont, that means you also dont have a bigger paycheck because my gun get me your, you brother's and your neighbor's paychecks
Good luck cashing them though.
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Konyap

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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Ezuma]
#23841820 - 11/17/16 01:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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it's less costly then putting cops everywhere and less dangerous
imagine if trump tried to make inner cities pay for round the clock surveillance lol
but yeah I'm already under the impression traffic light camera's are targeting license plates and taking pictures of people in the car
Edited by Konyap (11/17/16 01:43 PM)
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CookieCrumbs
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Konyap] 2
#23841829 - 11/17/16 01:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The only freedom I like giving up for security is the ability to walk around topless downtown at 2am.
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BANANA.MAN
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Repertoire89]
#23841849 - 11/17/16 01:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Repertoire89 said: Don't have any guns, but I would not trade the ability to own one for money
Unless it was half a mil a year and i could never loose the job. Then i could pay people to own guns for me.
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Herbologist
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23841871 - 11/17/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
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OnTony
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: BANANA.MAN]
#23841879 - 11/17/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yeah, in this case money just gives more options then guns
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spirit_shadow
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: CookieCrumbs] 1
#23841930 - 11/17/16 02:14 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If I could mash up, let dry, then distill a couple galons of fuck no id give it all to you.
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: spirit_shadow] 1
#23842018 - 11/17/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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The whole concept of banning a class of weapons is not tenable, I do believe they (firearms) should be harder to purchase and require training and a clean background to own -- however, I wouldn't, nor would a lot of others, have trouble building a functional railgun or in the case of the boston bombers, destructive devices.
What we're seeing now is a complex slew of gun related violence due to ideological and mental health concerns. Gun violence and the lot is just a symptom of much deeper problems rooted in flaws in humanity. As we progress as humanity, not a country or nation, I think these problems will fade.
More so, if these problems are not fixed in the coming years before high energy density materials (required for advanced technology, and weaponry) become easier to attain, we'll have a much larger problem with extremist violence. Right now you can see what a Galaxy Note 7 will do to a jeep, with a relatively simple chemical battery. When, not if, we reach the point of nano-scale energy storage, a battery the size of the Note 7's could effectively be turned into an incredibly powerful weapon.
Hackers can effectively (and succeeded in doing so before a security update) turn teslas into carbombs by changing firmware related to electrical systems management, or just remotely hijack the vehicle altogether. A ban on hacking or finding vulnerabilities simply is impossible to enforce at its core.
In relation to governmental policy, giving the government more power in exchange for a false sense of security is not the answer. Violent crime reduction lies in ideological reform and effective mental health policy (general intelligence and education both being factors as well), not in superficial bans.
To answer the question, IF giving up my guns solved the problem magically, I would -- however, it wouldn't solve anything, even if everyone complied. Gun policy is a massive political posturing point where many people stop thinking rationally and are pulled to a pole in the political spectrum, because thinking through the issue and coming up with solutions is much more difficult than saying "ban this shit" or "more guns make us safer" when neither is the case.
There is not an easy solution, if banning guns would work, I would be on that side in a heartbeat.
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23842726 - 11/17/16 05:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Quote:
akira_akuma said: we become what we behold
https://ncase.itch.io/wbwwb
PS:
no.
God I hate circles.
Edited by PatrickKn (11/17/16 05:39 PM)
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akira_akuma
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23842765 - 11/17/16 05:42 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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they are always too small to fit my square peg in. 
now it just sounds like i have a short dick. 
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PatrickKn


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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23842770 - 11/17/16 05:43 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gotta keep it edgy. Circles just aren't squared away.
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akira_akuma
Φύσις κρύπτεσθαι ὕψιστος φιλεῖ


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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: PatrickKn]
#23842872 - 11/17/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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until i start screwing them with my square tip.
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Mescalean
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: akira_akuma]
#23842899 - 11/17/16 06:13 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Nope. shooting is to fun especially getting competitive with shots long range and all. On top of that, elk is fucking delicious and good for you so I plan on making hunting a regular thing at some point soonish in my life.
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: Mescalean]
#23845008 - 11/18/16 11:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How are we supposed to riot when shit hits the fans without any guns?
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larry.fisherman
shoulda died already


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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: NcShroomr]
#23845020 - 11/18/16 11:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Real riots don't need guns.
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#23845030 - 11/18/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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we will if we ever wanted another revolution
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larry.fisherman
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: NcShroomr]
#23845031 - 11/18/16 11:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That's not a riot.
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: larry.fisherman]
#23845032 - 11/18/16 11:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Shays rebellion was
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abltsandwich
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: zZZz]
#23845042 - 11/18/16 11:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Government pacifying its people with shiny objects and money in exchange for more power over its constituents is a slippery slope. Ever delve into the fall of Rome? Their politicians would literally try and out-promise each other to The People to keep their power, and The People just wanted free shit so they went for whoever was offering more free shit to them. Can you imagine the corruption? When the government promises you things, you should always question their motives because the government isn't an altruist.
Some people don't work for a paycheck either; they work to keep their business running and write paychecks for other people. How do they fare in the scenario?
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akira_akuma
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: abltsandwich]
#23845126 - 11/18/16 12:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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they have their business so they can attempt to make a decent paycheck themselves, it's just they have money tied up in their business, that needs be appropriated to the right payments, so their tied up money doesn't end up all in their hands, it goes towards maintaining the business, which is how they make their money.
if your business isn't worth much, you're being paid very little for practically no real payoff, other than you can say you did it. managing business includes taking on risk.
just because it's a nice thing to own a business...should everyone have to compete on that same playing field of owning your own business? if everyone did that, competition would be scarce...people would just pick their favorite business to interact with, and they were usually be in some price-range, and some distance that they prefer, and that's it. not because of quality, because who'd be able to advertise that their business is better than the rest, when there is such a huge number of businesses...they can't all be bad, or rather, if any of them are bad, it's the ones whom just can't compete with X -- and X will reign supreme.
then what does the rest of Y do to fare in that scenario?
everyone wants to think they just prescribe a way of life, and how one can "contribute" best to their community, society, and themselves as an individual.
people don't free shit. they want the government to govern. the govern helps big business govern...the people want more. or they don't know what they want, because this is the direction they are going, if they don't like it, then stop.
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twighead
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Re: would u give up ur freedom for security?.. [Re: spirit_shadow]
#23846074 - 11/18/16 05:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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spirit_shadow said: If I could mash up, let dry, then distill a couple galons of fuck no id give it all to you.
You tell em man, fuck these fascist dirt bags! Anarchy USA 2012!!
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