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cannabolic
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Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens
#23840265 - 11/16/16 10:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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As far as I've read both grow in the same conditions. However I ran across a situations where people say one is easier than the other. I've already used the search function but since there is more time to accumulate information and experience are there any new findings to change that? Any differences you noticed? How do they compare in terms of potency?
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cannabolic]
#23840827 - 11/17/16 06:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a hard and fast rule regarding the strength of a particular cyan strain. The variables controlling the strength may also include the genetics that you isolate on agar, as well as the nutrition available in the growth medium.
If you do an experiment and control each of these variables: Using different genetics and in different growth mediums then you will come up with an answer.
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: AgarStudent]
#23840900 - 11/17/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yep it's all preference and genetics. They're the same level of difficulty. People always have false correlations.
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Mad Season]
#23840920 - 11/17/16 08:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My personal opinion, Panaeolus Cyanescens has great effects no matter the random genetics. Isolating is good after you know the outcome of that grow, but first multi-spore inoc. is always a gamble. I will be attempting to do a test grow of multiple isolates of Pan. Cyanescens, my goal will be to clone the best looking/potent ones I can find.
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: SporeDaddy]
#23840942 - 11/17/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I thought they were pretty similar potency wise.
Fwiw, cambos easily overlaid as compared to cyan for me. I was working from a single print source though
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: blindingleaf] 1
#23840968 - 11/17/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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blindingleaf said: I thought they were pretty similar potency wise.
Fwiw, cambos easily overlaid as compared to cyan for me. I was working from a single print source though
Excuse my ignorance, but what do you mean by overlaid? And Panaeolus's have pretty similar potency yet it still differs depending on isolates of indiviual spores, since their genetics differ by spore. Cloning is a great way to have consistency.
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: SporeDaddy]
#23841469 - 11/17/16 11:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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overlay is kinda this mat that develops over the casing layer and inhibits pinning
here is a good example with the cambo's

less mycelial coverage over the casing, with the cyan's

i dont disagree with you about the finer details of differing potencies. but as far as me and some friends just taking some mushrooms, i didn't really notice a difference
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: blindingleaf]
#23841525 - 11/17/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Doesn't overlay happen when you do not put into fruiting on time??
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: AgarStudent]
#23841610 - 11/17/16 12:34 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So does that mean that cambodginiensis is actually a strain of cyanescens instead of being a species of the genus panaeolus?
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AgarStudent said: I could be wrong, but I don't think there is a hard and fast rule regarding the strength of a particular cyan strain. The variables controlling the strength may also include the genetics that you isolate on agar, as well as the nutrition available in the growth medium.
If you do an experiment and control each of these variables: Using different genetics and in different growth mediums then you will come up with an answer.
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: blindingleaf]
#23841624 - 11/17/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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So cambodginiensis has a higher tendency to overlay but does it noticeably affect the yields negatively?
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blindingleaf said: overlay is kinda this mat that develops over the casing layer and inhibits pinning
here is a good example with the cambo's

less mycelial coverage over the casing, with the cyan's

i dont disagree with you about the finer details of differing potencies. but as far as me and some friends just taking some mushrooms, i didn't really notice a difference
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cannabolic]
#23844051 - 11/18/16 02:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i don't know why I had issues with overlay and cambo's. i tried both consolidation and fruiting at 100%. i think its a fresh air thing regardless
but i have seen some other cambo's grows, particularly this summer, where it was also an issue.
anything that limits pinning, like overlay, will reduce yield.
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So does that mean that cambodginiensis is actually a strain of cyanescens instead of being a species of the genus panaeolus?
i have read this too. not sure on how true it is.
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: cannabolic]
#23846321 - 11/18/16 07:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i've seen some people describe the effects of pan cambo as darker and lacking in the smoother qualities that pan cyan is known for having. has anyone else found that to be the case?
and i remember some TC saying that pan cyan hawaii was the easiest to grow.
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Re: Panaeolus cambodginiensis vs. Panaeolus cyanescens [Re: Panarchist]
#23846874 - 11/18/16 09:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've heard people say pan trips are darker, not cambo's in particular but all pan cyans/cambos etc. I really disagree tho, the world is never as bright as when I eat pans. they're beautiful! I prefer pan trips over cube trips any day of the week!
that last statement sounds like something way old and totally unfounded.
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