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Speckles
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Psilocybe Silvatica/Pelliculosa ID Request
#23809491 - 11/07/16 12:00 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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While hunting for chanterelles yesterday I followed an unmarked trail up an overgrown logging road into an area that looked like it had been heavily trafficked recently. Lots of deep footprints in the moss leading in several loops. I think it was just other mushroom hunters but I started paying close attention to the prints because it seemed odd how many there were.
I thought I smelled matsutake, hit the ground and started poking around the moss when I noticed these mushrooms that looked a little different from the copious mycena around. When I picked the largest one the base appeared to be slightly blue and I started freaking out a little. I picked the couple others and observed the same blue bases, then looked around for a while but found no others of the same species. The bluing does not seem as pronounced in the pictures.
I thought these might be Psilocybe silvatica because of the habitat they were growing in. I stopped at a clear-cut on my way home and grabbed what I'm pretty sure are Psilocybe pelliculosa to compare.
I should have spore printed these as soon as I got home but I waited until this morning and now only the largest cap isn't comepletely dry. There are some spores on another cap that look purple brown. I can scrape those off to look at if the print doesn't happen.
The mushrooms from the clear-cut are not completely dry yet so I should get better prints from a couple of those. One of those mushrooms that was under another also shows purple/brown spores on the cap.
There are some macroscopic difference between the specimens from the forest and those from the clear-cut, but in Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World Stamets says the only way to tell between Silvatica and Pelliculosa is the length of the spores and cheilocystidia. I have a old scope but don't know how to measure with it.
Habitat: Old growth forest in the Oregon coast range. Between the trunk of an old douglas fir and the ripped up rootbed of a fallen douglas fir.
Gills: Brown-tan, attached
Stem: 1-2 mm thick, 4-7 cm tall, tan to slightly red/brown with slight bluing at base, tiny white fibrils, flexuous
Cap: 5-10mm wide, striated except for center, tan to brown, hygrophanous
Spore print color: waiting on print but purple brown spores on caps that were under caps
Bruising: Very slight blue bruising on base
Here are the pictures of what I think might be Psilocybe silvatica from the old growth stand:









Here are what I think are Psilocybe pelliculosa from the alder edge of a clear-cut:
Habitat: Clear-cut, not sure how old but hasn't been replanted yet. These were along a side with alder trees and debris. The standing alder trees were 30-50 feet tall.
Gills: Tan, attached
Stem: 1-3 mm thick, 6-9 cm tall, tan to slightly red/brown, dark brown at base, pronounced white fibrils, mycelium at base clutching pieces of wood, flexuous
Cap: .5 to 1.5 cm wide, striated except for center, tan and orangish, hygrophanous, conical with irregular center, margin in-curved in younger specimens
Spore print color: waiting on print but purple brown spores on caps that were under caps
Bruising: None










This is the shot of both of them today. The 5 on the left are from the old growth, all of the ones on the right are from the clear-cut.
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ambc
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Re: Psilocybe Silvatica/Pelliculosa ID Request [Re: Speckles]
#23809558 - 11/07/16 12:22 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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They all are Psilocybe pelliculosa or silvatica. I don't know how to tell them apart short of scoping either, assuming that they are still considered different species.
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Re: Psilocybe Silvatica/Pelliculosa ID Request [Re: Speckles]
#23809595 - 11/07/16 12:38 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Nice! 
My opinion is that both are P. pelliculosa, and the difference is normal variation within a species.
If you want to see what P. silvatica looks like, find photos of P. medullosa. It's the "European silvatica", the closest related species and a bit more commonly photographed (since a couple of years) than the very rare P. silvatica. Here's a thread with my photos: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22279072/page/1
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Speckles
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Re: Psilocybe Silvatica/Pelliculosa ID Request [Re: knarkkorven]
#23813756 - 11/08/16 07:03 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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Hey thank you guys, the variation in these between environments is interesting. I wonder if it has to do with the difference between abundant fresh substrate in the clear-cuts vs older and more decomposed substrate in an old forest.
Thank you for the link knarkkorven, those pictures of P. medullosa are beautiful!
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Re: Psilocybe Silvatica/Pelliculosa ID Request [Re: Speckles]
#23813940 - 11/08/16 08:14 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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-------------------- Approved puppet.
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Speckles
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Re: Psilocybe Silvatica/Pelliculosa ID Request [Re: AllDay420]
#23839684 - 11/16/16 06:17 PM (7 years, 3 months ago) |
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I've been slackin on updating this.
From the original collection I got a couple spore prints from the clear-cut specimens to scope, and I was able to scrape some spores off of one of the caps from the forest specimens. When I was scraping it pulled off some of the skin that was coated in spores so I looked at that as well.
All these pictures were taken at x2 on my camera through the x40/.65 objective on a microscope. I don't have a measuring meter on either the slide or the microscope lens so I can't speak to the actual measurements.
These are spores from one of the clear-cut Psilocybe pelliculosa

These are what I scraped off of the forest specimen, unfortunately they're in a clump.
These are spores on flesh of that specimen.

I went back out and got some more pictures and prints for a couple folks to scope, I'm gonna be lazy and just copy my post from the OFFICIAL 2016/17 FALL PNW ACTIVES THREAD about that though.
Thanks again for the ID help guys!
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Speckles said: I went out to snag a few chanterelles and take pics of pellies last weekend. Not seeing as many chanterelles, but saw winter chanterelles for the first time which was cool.
Where I found the patch of forest pellies last time, near some old growth douglas fir, I found one

And about a mile away near a trail on a long overgrown logging road saw two more.

These are some from a clear-cut, also in the coast range

There's a Mycena (purpureofusca?) sneaking into this bunch

Here's some pellicle porn

Other than the less colorful mycena that can look like pellies, there are common look-a-likes in the clear-cut habitat such as Hypholoma dispersum that lack the translucent striation and pellicle, but can look similar when soaked, and one that is possibly Galerina vittiformis that lacks the pellicle, is less striated, more orange, and has bright orange gills.
 NO BUENO^
If anyone hunts these with the intention of consumption, it's a good idea to watch out for those species, check the pellicle, and spore print.
Edited by Speckles (11/16/16 06:18 PM)
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