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To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian)
    #23839568 - 11/16/16 05:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The eastern agricultural complex is a group of plants native to north eastern america that were domesticated prior to the arrival of corn from mexico and have since entirely returned to nature. I feel it would be an amazing thing to domesticate a cerial grain.  I have thought also that it could be kept going by other shroomerites even.. i feel aall of us growing grass, a non native weed and even buying lawn tractors just to cut our grass! I suggest we start conciously breeding some of these crops agian. I feel if the community here worked together we could pull it off by sharing our heirlooms. Has anyone thought about this or even already growing some of tbese native "weeds" for food? I have evwn thought this spring i could find some of them on my property, i thought other shroomerites might enjoy foraging natural foods and possibly sharing some of these precious seeds to work on hybridizing and hopefully domesticating them. I have been studying plant genetics for awhile for my cannabis breeding projects the last few years but the knowledge would be more useful working on this i think. Would anyone else be interested in joining me on this project?


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: backintheriver]
    #23839624 - 11/16/16 05:45 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

My neural network enjoys the prospect of this


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: Harvest Wind]
    #23839628 - 11/16/16 05:48 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

http://theunconventionalgardener.com/blog/the-eastern-agricultural-complex/ heres a video and list of some of the plants, sorry im on my phone so cant copy and paste the details well right now.


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: backintheriver]
    #23839685 - 11/16/16 06:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've been eating 20'ish species of weeds for 5+ years now.

Best website to start doing that:
www.eattheweeds.com


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23839802 - 11/16/16 07:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Tmethyl said:
I've been eating 20'ish species of weeds for 5+ years now.

Best website to start doing that:
www.eattheweeds.com




Very interesting stuff :super:


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: ferrel_human]
    #23839813 - 11/16/16 07:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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ferrel_human said:
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Tmethyl said:
I've been eating 20'ish species of weeds for 5+ years now.

Best website to start doing that:
www.eattheweeds.com




Very interesting stuff :super:



If you truly give this site the attention it deserves, you won't need to shop for food ever again(other than for tasty snacks:lol:), I spent an entire year in a tent with only wild edibles(a lot of palm heart) just on the knowledge I gained there.

An incredible source.


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23839918 - 11/16/16 07:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've thought that the breeding of landraces has been interesting, for many years, and have started to collect samples and useful tools. :thumbup:

I apologize for the dark note...


But, I have considered issues of self-sufficiency, instinctively, independently, from a very young age.


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: durian_2008]
    #23840278 - 11/16/16 10:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is really interesting and inspiring. I've been wanting to grow my own food for awhile. Growing what natives of the Ohio River valley grew would be amazing. I might just have to play around with this domestication concept.


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: Myco_illogic]
    #23842935 - 11/17/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How exactly do you "domesticate" a plant?


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: saythatagain]
    #23842950 - 11/17/16 06:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Here is the definition

to convert (animals, plants, etc.) to domestic uses; tame. ... to tame (an animal), especially by generations of breeding, to live in close association with human beings as a pet or work animal and usually creating a dependency so that the animal loses its ability to live in the wild.


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: Tmethyl]
    #23843543 - 11/17/16 09:28 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nice thread.

I feel like a raw fruitarian diet would be awesome, I mean doing so for several years straight could quite possibly completely heal someone and attune them to higher consciousness. But I dunno, this is just speculation as I have never been a raw fruitarian for more than one week at a time. But it's something I eventually want to work my way up to; raw fruitarian + lots of healing herbal teas.


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: mantis83]
    #23844103 - 11/18/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

This is pretty cool,and I have tons of wild edible weeds that grow here,only problem I have with this post is this day and age people still calling Native Americans Indians:facepalm:

INDIANS ARE FROM INDIA,Native Americans are not Indians,just like Caucasians are not Africans.

Native Americans originated from Asia,not India:wink:

Anyway,sorry for that rant,it just bothers me that stuff in this world has been politically incorrect for centuries,yet we all just let it keep on sliding:sad:


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23844170 - 11/18/16 05:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just to be a pedant, and nothing to do with native americans :tongue: but India is in Asia! Media here often refers to indians, pakistanis and other nationalities from the indian subcontinent as Asians. :crazy2:


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: Mostly_Harmless]
    #23844215 - 11/18/16 06:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just to be a pedant, and nothing to do with native americans :tongue: but India is in Asia! Media here often refers to indians, pakistanis and other nationalities from the indian subcontinent as Asians. :crazy2:




I know India is in Asia,but that still doesn't make Indians Asians:wink:

Just like Africans living in Britain doesn't make them Caucasian.

I have only heard of Native Americans being called Indians,and no other race,but actual Indians from India,and I also never knew other races of people that clearly aren't Asian that reside on that continent are called Asian too.

It's not like that in America.


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23844217 - 11/18/16 06:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Anyway,I'm sorry I got off on topic,race isn't a good topic to be discussing on here anyway,because it always starts some pretty big arguments:yesnod:

Back on topic now!


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: kactus.brand.g]
    #23844288 - 11/18/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I occasionally eat dandelions and wild garlic from my property. Being too close to the road sketches me though. But cool site! Definitely bookmarking it for the future. I've always had an interest in full sustainability and particularly foraging local species as opposed to spending energy on maintaining others. What a neat resource


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: saythatagain]
    #23844669 - 11/18/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How exactly do you "domesticate" a plant?




You selectively breed it, for several generations, for the traits, which you like best.

The OP has suggested bigger sizes of grains, but some people have selected against thorns and bitterness. Others have selected for desirable colors or self-fertility.

As some cultigens lose vigor, over time, people have grown them next their wilder counterparts, for more genetic variety.

In the case of animals, one lady has bred tawny, wild rabbits, to have long, Angora-like fur, within one human lifetime.

I believe it was foxes, which gained all sorts of interesting coloration and markings, in captivity.

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Here is the definition

to convert (animals, plants, etc.) to domestic uses; tame. ... to tame (an animal), especially by generations of breeding, to live in close association with human beings as a pet or work animal and usually creating a dependency so that the animal loses its ability to live in the wild.




Pigs have apparently regrown long tusks, and plants go back to their feral state.

In theory, domesticated traits will be diluted, as the plant or animal mixes with the wild population.


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Re: To redomesticate the eastern agricultural complex (eat like a 3000 bc woodland indian) [Re: durian_2008]
    #23844948 - 11/18/16 11:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Muscadines and scuppernongs, persimmons, beech, hickory, chestnuts, berries, wild rice...


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