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strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else?
    #23839169 - 11/16/16 03:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

found some of these in a patch, in uk, and they all have this dome shape with a prominent nipple. None of the other psilocybe cyans i've found look like this. they have purple brown print, blueing on the stem. Found growing in woodchips.
Are these cyans or something else?

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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23839255 - 11/16/16 03:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Good question.

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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Joie]
    #23839271 - 11/16/16 03:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i should add, the ones from that particular patch always retain that shape, they don't flatten out. certainly never turn up wavy.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23839340 - 11/16/16 04:12 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:notsureif:
It's posts like these that make me really question if P. allenii, P. cyansecens, P. azurescens and P. subaeruginosa are actually just different phenotypes of the same thing.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: AllDay420]
    #23839365 - 11/16/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: AllDay420]
    #23839439 - 11/16/16 04:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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It's posts like these that make me really question if P. allenii, P. cyansecens, P. azurescens and P. subaeruginosa are actually just different phenotypes of the same thing.



No, they are not, the DNA has been sequenced.
That is not Psilocybe cyanescens, or P. allenii . I need to see more specimens to give an accurate ID, preferably in various stages of development and in situ, close-UPS of various parts of the mushrooms,etc... BUT DEFINITELY MORE SPECIMENS.
Maybe Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ambc]
    #23839476 - 11/16/16 04:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah I know that, but all those species I listed in Section Cyanescens look remarkably marcoscopically similar.
Not necessarily identical, but very similar indeed. As though they are all just phenotypes of the same species.
You reckon they are ovoids? in UK?? :confused:


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ambc]
    #23840823 - 11/17/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

some more photos to help id mysterious uk psilocybe





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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23840860 - 11/17/16 07:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

These don't look like P. cyanescens. They look closer to P. serbica.

Please keep some for further study. Very cool find! :thumbup:

Where roughly in the UK are you?


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23840876 - 11/17/16 07:50 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They do look like nice big fella's , the Author may be on to somethin .


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23841630 - 11/17/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

in hampshire brother, the south.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23841683 - 11/17/16 12:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They aren't cyanescens but are definitely Psilocybes. I've never seen ones like that coming from the UK, is there a chance someone made that patch?


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23841839 - 11/17/16 01:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yeah there is a chance, i don't know how they got there haha. It's a pretty shit place to choose, very public and in a position where people sometimes walk over them.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23841861 - 11/17/16 01:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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hampshire




So, reasonably close to the Channel and ferry ports. Maybe something escaped from the European continent?

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is there a chance someone made that patch?




Well, there is always a chance of course, but it doesn't look like a normally cultivated species.

I say this should be dried and mailed to the experts for a proper identification.
I guess it also could help if ThePump returns to the spot for in situ shots and
if possible a superficial analysis of the substrate - i.e. does it grow directly from
the wood chips, or rather from the soil underneath. If there is visible mycelium, also
consider bringing a portion home to try some further cultivation.

I like this thread. :mushroom2:


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23841866 - 11/17/16 01:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Damm they are crazy we need to find out what these are very very cool find im in hampshire to and my cyans have been fruiting but these look very diffrent


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23841898 - 11/17/16 02:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

They sorts look like Psilocybe subaeruginosa or Psilocybe serbica like Anglerfish mentioned, I would dry and save at least one of them so someone with a microscope can try and figure out what they are.
Are there anymore left growing? If so try and get some in situ pictures.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23841909 - 11/17/16 02:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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'it doesn't look like a normally cultivated species.'





What does a normally cultivated species look like? If we don't know what this is how would we know what it should look like cultivated vs indigenous?


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23841934 - 11/17/16 02:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Could the type of mulch the mushrooms are growing on effect the look of them ive had a few odd looking cyanescens in my time but they only come up in spacific spots thinking maybe it has something to do with the nutriants the mushrooms are absorbing in that erea ???


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23841956 - 11/17/16 02:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Anglerfish said:
'it doesn't look like a normally cultivated species.'





What does a normally cultivated species look like? If we don't know what this is how would we know what it should look like cultivated vs indigenous?




Well, perhaps I should say it doesn't look like one of the normally cultivated species - which in my book
are, apart from the dung loving subtropical species, mainly Psilocybe cyanescens - and perhaps, to a
lesser degree, P. azurescens and P. ovoideocystidiata.

Then again, there might be someone in OP's area cultivating "odd" wood loving species. I say it's possible, but not very likely.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Southcoastshrooms]
    #23841957 - 11/17/16 02:22 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Could the type of mulch the mushrooms are growing on effect the look of them ive had a few odd looking cyanescens in my time but they only come up in spacific spots thinking maybe it has something to do with the nutriants the mushrooms are absorbing in that erea ???




The substrate they are growing on can have odd phenotypical effects yes but not to the degree they would look like something else entirely different.

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Anglerfish said:
'it doesn't look like a normally cultivated species.'





What does a normally cultivated species look like? If we don't know what this is how would we know what it should look like cultivated vs indigenous?




Well, perhaps I should say it doesn't look like one of the normally cultivated species - which in my book
are, apart from the dung loving subtropical species, mainly Psilocybe cyanescens - and perhaps, to a
lesser degree, P. azurescens and P. ovoideocystidiata.

Then again, there might be someone in OP's area cultivating "odd" wood loving species. I say it's possible, but not very likely.



That makes more sense, I misunderstood what you were saying.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: maynardjameskeenan] * 1
    #23842008 - 11/17/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Seems to me that morphological differences aren't as much connected with the substrate itself
as the habitat/environment they are growing in. Like liberty caps growing in long grass are usually
larger and have much longer stems than the ones growing in shorter grass.

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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23842583 - 11/17/16 05:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Really cool looking find. We haven't mentioned P. medullosa. I know very little about it.

Still :popcorn:


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Joie]
    #23842609 - 11/17/16 05:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I was under the impression that medullosa and silvatica were really similar and also didn't blue. :shrug:

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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Joie]
    #23842615 - 11/17/16 05:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:popcorn:


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23842762 - 11/17/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Those are some Beefy caps :awesomenod:

Very Beautiful find!!

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    #23842801 - 11/17/16 05:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23843029 - 11/17/16 06:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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They sorts look like Psilocybe subaeruginosa or Psilocybe serbica like Anglerfish mentioned, I would dry and save at least one of them so someone with a microscope can try and figure out what they are.
Are there anymore left growing? If so try and get some in situ pictures.




Seconded.  Let's find out more about these little fuckers.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: P.Goose]
    #23843265 - 11/17/16 07:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

woodlovers :heart:

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    #23843515 - 11/17/16 09:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Let's find out more about these little fuckers.



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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: maynardjameskeenan]
    #23843785 - 11/17/16 11:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I was under the impression that medullosa and silvatica were really similar and also didn't blue. :shrug:

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/18690709
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/22279072/fpart/all/vc/1



It is the only other woodlover described in Funga Nordica so I thought of that. But you're right so it isn't that. :hatsoff:


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Joie]
    #23843870 - 11/18/16 12:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Goddamn those mushrooms would stump me if I came across them.  It's like an allenii with a nipple.  Some of them don't even have a nipple.  :thataintright:


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    #23843956 - 11/18/16 01:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think they could be azure's.  Nice find


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    #23844011 - 11/18/16 02:17 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

There are still some growing, i'll pop down and get some photos. It used to be completely covered in wood chips, but over the past few years some of the chips have gone and grass has grown through, although the wood is still under the grass.

I'd be happy to send a sample off if someone would like to have a look at it.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23844018 - 11/18/16 02:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i like how the cap margin hangs down like in some specimens of Baeos'


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    #23844033 - 11/18/16 02:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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There are still some growing, i'll pop down and get some photos. It used to be completely covered in wood chips, but over the past few years some of the chips have gone and grass has grown through, although the wood is still under the grass.

I'd be happy to send a sample off if someone would like to have a look at it.





Im curious if the stipe pops like azures.  Grab a fresh mushroom and bend the cap towards the stem slowly and see if it pops like a knuckle just below the cap.  I've noticed they tend to pop just above the annular zone without breaking the flesh.  Not sure of that's a good identfier for azures but I haven't really noticed it with other's.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump] * 1
    #23844129 - 11/18/16 04:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Eat some. Maybe they'll tell you where they came from.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23844152 - 11/18/16 05:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i should add, the ones from that particular patch always retain that shape, they don't flatten out. certainly never turn up wavy.




Hmm... when you say "always" - does that mean you've found these growing in previous seasons - at the same spot?

Also thinking that a busy area like you're describing isn't very likely for a cultivation project.

I'm thinking you should contact Jan Borovička as soon as you got some in situ shots, and show them to him.
I'm quite sure he would want to take a closer look at them.


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: ThePump]
    #23844278 - 11/18/16 06:40 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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some more photos to help id mysterious uk psilocybe








Trippy! Wait till Alan sees this!


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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #23844365 - 11/18/16 07:22 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.


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    #23844383 - 11/18/16 07:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata.




That would be quite something, growing in the UK.

I know they have spread into the wild from cultivated patches in Switzerland.

Maybe the same thing happened in Hampshire? If anyone on board the site knows of any UK ovoid grows, please show yourselves! :cool:


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    #23844436 - 11/18/16 07:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, great to see, I totally forgot about that. Thanks for posting that link.

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Re: strange looking uk cyanescens? Or something else? [Re: Anglerfish]
    #23844448 - 11/18/16 08:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Alright whos been growing ovoids in the UK!


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    #23846841 - 11/18/16 09:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

yes, i believe i've seen them there the last 3 seasons, don't know when they first got there. To say they always retain that shape is probably a bold statement. I'll keep close tabs on these ones.


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    #24517699 - 07/30/17 09:07 AM (6 years, 5 months ago)

Started looking through my camera at old photos, getting a bit excited for autumn, and realised I never put these pics up. A bit late but here are in situ pics of last seasons mystery uk psilocybes. some are out of focus due to taking quick photos while in a car park with people staring at me haha.

















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