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Chk
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Reishi BE
#23838278 - 11/16/16 10:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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From what i've read on the net, usual BE is around 10% for reishi (and it's in line with my own grow)
But i seen several post here that make me think some of you get better than that.
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Quadman said: I posted on Greg's thread , I got 91g dry from my one tub they are bathing in vodka right now.
And pastywhite grow seemed nice as well https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19189163
And probably many more i did not see.
Ofc i don't know what amount of sub those mono contained hard to guess the real BE, so if any of the person above want to chime in and give some info about the BE they got, that's cool!
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23838848 - 11/16/16 01:37 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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10% may be close. I didn't weigh substrate or wet weight of mushrooms. Sorry
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23838917 - 11/16/16 02:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yea i was getting around 10% dry reishi using the dry substrate weight as the other factor.
2.5 lbs dry sub per invorto bag would yield me around 110-130g dry.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Gr0wer]
#23839851 - 11/16/16 07:26 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Hope you don't mind me asking a ? In your thread chk..
Grower do you have a link to your invitro reishi grow? If not can you provide some details? I have a nice reishi culture I was gifted and was thinking of invitro
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Marty Mycfly
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His thread is around here somewhere, I'm also growing Reishi based off of gr0wers method.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23840601 - 11/17/16 02:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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10% may be close. I didn't weigh substrate or wet weight of mushrooms. Sorry
No worries just asking cause it seemed to be more than 10%, and i was wondering how ?!.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23841596 - 11/17/16 12:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Gr0wer]
#23841643 - 11/17/16 12:44 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I remember that post, the 10w LED's I got work perfectly by the way. Much richer yellow colour, due to a combination of things.
I am still tempted to try a mixed spectrum.
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Use the sun lol
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Gr0wer]
#23844333 - 11/18/16 07:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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2g makes about 1oz tincture which lasts 1-2 weeks-Grower
I was thinking that if you have a 1:1 tincture and dosage was 3 gram daily you would take 3 gram tincture. What am missing or not understanding?
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Gr0wer]
#23844344 - 11/18/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Has anyone tried using raw unused tea as an additive on Reishi?
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I use red wine, works perfectly.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: frog48]
#23845103 - 11/18/16 12:08 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I meant into a substrate
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He's drinking tea but at least he's got a sense of humor
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: frog48]
#23845203 - 11/18/16 12:54 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Chk
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Gr0wer]
#23845423 - 11/18/16 02:35 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Gr0wer said: https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23290472
Ok so you have 5Lbs bags we can imagine half of that is moisture? 1250 gr dry sub
then you expect at most 150gr dry by bag let's say reishi is 80% water that would be 750g wet
that would give around 60% BE
seems a lot above usual numbers Did i got that right?
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23845428 - 11/18/16 02:38 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's a good method.
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Ferather
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Nice grasp on performance Chk, not many see it.
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Reishi are tough and well they just aren't anything like other mushrooms. Moisture of the mushroom is much lower. I'm talking antlers perhaps conks are higher moisture.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23845568 - 11/18/16 03:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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He is nearly right: "Fresh reishi contains only about 75% water" -- US Source
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That would be close to oysters,no way are my antlers that wet.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23845616 - 11/18/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most mushrooms including oysters are in the 90% water content range. 75% is lower than most common mushroom formations.
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I've found reference that someone had a grow of conks and they were 66% moisture. You have to remember there are a lot of variables. My antlers were hardly growing anymore and my substrate was pretty dry. There wasn't that much moisture in them when harvested. Had to saw them off the block.
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with 75% water that would be 600g wet mushroom 600/1250 or 48% BE still quite a lot above usual numbers. Event 30% BE would still be really nice IMO
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23847984 - 11/19/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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@Quadman, I agree with variables, but consider this, if you have 200g of water in a substrate. And a fruit body wants 400g (90%), it will suck up the 200g, and abort, sub goes dry.
@Chk, Indeed Reishi yield is interesting.
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I'm basing off my personal observations and of others. Many numbers are a guide and not necessarily real life. This is one reason this forum exists. Just because a sub has x amount of water does not define a grow, you can add water. Which I did.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850468 - 11/20/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes ofc i get that.
i'll maybe sound like an heretic , but i have something in my mind for quite some time about BE:
i understand why we use fresh mushroom mass vs dry sub mass to compute BE, BUT for mushrooms at least would it not make more sens to use dry vs dry.
i mean, as you just said, that anyway you can add water, and from a efficiency point of view, what matters is the dry substrate mass you used.
IMO it's a bit misleading to include water in the formula, i mean, it could make it sounds like a grow is bad or good, but maybe it's just the grower that is.
Shouldn't it be replaced by DBE (Dry BE, let's call it that way) ?
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23850557 - 11/20/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree, 100% BE from 100g dry substrate would mean 100g dry mushrooms.
100g + 300g (75% body standard) = 400g fresh mushrooms @ 100% BE. 100g + 900g (90% body standard) = 1kg fresh mushrooms @ 100% BE.
Both give me 100g dry in total yield.
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That would make the most sense. The problem becomes everyone willing to dry mushrooms to find the dry matter. Reishi works because it is almost always dried.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850708 - 11/20/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fair enough. I still haven't grown any Reishi yet so I am still taking notes.
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We need to get you some you would enjoy growing them.Very peculiar and fascinating to watch.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850731 - 11/20/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have an ancient black Reishi (more potent) that I intend to clone.
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Chk - have you grown any? I would like to find the reishi with yellow pores that the Chinese call true ling zhi.So far no luck
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850835 - 11/20/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes i got some spores from the hawk eye (and i have to say it was problematic to get those to germinate), i doubt it's what you're searching for sadly.
My collection of edible is tiny compared to actives.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23850883 - 11/20/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've read they are indeed difficult from spores.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850892 - 11/20/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lots of water and solubles. Should active germination as normal. Good luck also  Golden oyster spores on T-Tek, 88% water content, after 2.8 days, enjoy.
Edited by Ferather (11/20/16 09:52 AM)
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i dipped the spores in 1/10th milliliter of H2o2 before germinating on agar (to weaken the spore double membrane) took me 10 plates to have one to give something (maybe unlucky i don't know)
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