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Quadman
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That would be close to oysters,no way are my antlers that wet.
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Ferather
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23845616 - 11/18/16 03:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Most mushrooms including oysters are in the 90% water content range. 75% is lower than most common mushroom formations.
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Quadman
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I've found reference that someone had a grow of conks and they were 66% moisture. You have to remember there are a lot of variables. My antlers were hardly growing anymore and my substrate was pretty dry. There wasn't that much moisture in them when harvested. Had to saw them off the block.
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with 75% water that would be 600g wet mushroom 600/1250 or 48% BE still quite a lot above usual numbers. Event 30% BE would still be really nice IMO
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23847984 - 11/19/16 10:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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@Quadman, I agree with variables, but consider this, if you have 200g of water in a substrate. And a fruit body wants 400g (90%), it will suck up the 200g, and abort, sub goes dry.
@Chk, Indeed Reishi yield is interesting.
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Quadman
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I'm basing off my personal observations and of others. Many numbers are a guide and not necessarily real life. This is one reason this forum exists. Just because a sub has x amount of water does not define a grow, you can add water. Which I did.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850468 - 11/20/16 04:36 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Yes ofc i get that.
i'll maybe sound like an heretic , but i have something in my mind for quite some time about BE:
i understand why we use fresh mushroom mass vs dry sub mass to compute BE, BUT for mushrooms at least would it not make more sens to use dry vs dry.
i mean, as you just said, that anyway you can add water, and from a efficiency point of view, what matters is the dry substrate mass you used.
IMO it's a bit misleading to include water in the formula, i mean, it could make it sounds like a grow is bad or good, but maybe it's just the grower that is.
Shouldn't it be replaced by DBE (Dry BE, let's call it that way) ?
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23850557 - 11/20/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree, 100% BE from 100g dry substrate would mean 100g dry mushrooms.
100g + 300g (75% body standard) = 400g fresh mushrooms @ 100% BE. 100g + 900g (90% body standard) = 1kg fresh mushrooms @ 100% BE.
Both give me 100g dry in total yield.
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Quadman
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That would make the most sense. The problem becomes everyone willing to dry mushrooms to find the dry matter. Reishi works because it is almost always dried.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850708 - 11/20/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Fair enough. I still haven't grown any Reishi yet so I am still taking notes.
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Quadman
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We need to get you some you would enjoy growing them.Very peculiar and fascinating to watch.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850731 - 11/20/16 08:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have an ancient black Reishi (more potent) that I intend to clone.
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Quadman
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Chk - have you grown any? I would like to find the reishi with yellow pores that the Chinese call true ling zhi.So far no luck
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850835 - 11/20/16 09:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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yes i got some spores from the hawk eye (and i have to say it was problematic to get those to germinate), i doubt it's what you're searching for sadly.
My collection of edible is tiny compared to actives.
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Quadman
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Chk]
#23850883 - 11/20/16 09:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've read they are indeed difficult from spores.
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Re: Reishi BE [Re: Quadman]
#23850892 - 11/20/16 09:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Lots of water and solubles. Should active germination as normal. Good luck also  Golden oyster spores on T-Tek, 88% water content, after 2.8 days, enjoy.
Edited by Ferather (11/20/16 09:52 AM)
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i dipped the spores in 1/10th milliliter of H2o2 before germinating on agar (to weaken the spore double membrane) took me 10 plates to have one to give something (maybe unlucky i don't know)
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