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Gathering info for my monotube setup.
    #23838102 - 11/16/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Hello my fellow shroomers!

I have been searching this whole week but im still unsure of some things and i thought that someone could help me out a little bit! :smile:
Monotube setup is no problem i know the materials for that.

Now lets talk about what type of Grains i want to use?
Rye Grain,Rye Berries whats the diffrence? They look exactly the same :P
I have worked with Rye Grain before with my very first growbox and pf tek but i want a big load this time, im working with glass jars and not spawn bags.
Can i use this rye grain?

And now what type of casing should i use?
how about Vermiculite, Peat Moss like this Mushroom Casing Kit?

I live alone in my apartment and i dont want to use horse or cow poo for casing i want to do this the cheapest simplest way!

The Strains im going to use is Thai: Koh Samui and maybe some mexicana, i want the ones with strong visuals. :smile:

And i forgot to say that im going to use vials with Spores! :smile:


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Herdna]
    #23838113 - 11/16/16 08:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You can spawn a monotub with many grains and several bulk mixes. Rye berries is rye grain. Any cereal grain works but avoid popcorn. If you want something easy do coir and verm using the bucket tek. Easy. Use the coir and verm as a casing if you want one. Easy. The variety of cube you use is nearly meaningless, if you want potency consistently learn agar and clone or isolate for consistent results.

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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23838133 - 11/16/16 09:01 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You can spawn a monotub with many grains and several bulk mixes. Rye berries is rye grain. Any cereal grain works but avoid popcorn. If you want something easy do coir and verm using the bucket tek. Easy. Use the coir and verm as a casing if you want one. Easy.




:whathesaid: Grain to coir/verm in a monotub is about as simple and efficient as it comes. Coir is also the most forgiving bulk substrate IMO. For keeping it simple you can just skip casing altogether. I don't case. Once you have purchased the reusable supplies (PC, tubs, buckets, jars and jar filtration) you will be pumping out as many monotubs as you can handle for a few bucks each.


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23838153 - 11/16/16 09:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Coir and Vermiculite is an easy bulk substrate for the rye berries, I would suggest a monotub tek. But that is my personal favorite because it lets you create a mini environment that is controllable. Just be sure to:

1. Inoculate jars (I prefer agar for this)

2. Shake colonized jar and mix with your bulk sub into tray and mix with gloved hands till even. Let re-colonize in somewhat high CO2 conditions.

3. Once surface is colonized just sprinkle your casing over surface on the surfaced mycelium and mist the casing. After misting the casing throw into fruiting conditions (high FAE, high humiditiy, light, temp. change)

Pretty simple procedure with monos.

PS: Tropical strains will prosper at 80-85 F while colonizing and 72-75 F for fruiting. Those are about average for most tropical species. Good luck!


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: SporeDaddy]
    #23838188 - 11/16/16 09:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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:whathesaid:

Coir and Vermiculite is an easy bulk substrate for the rye berries, I would suggest a monotub tek. But that is my personal favorite because it lets you create a mini environment that is controllable. Just be sure to:

1. Inoculate jars (I prefer agar for this)

2. Shake colonized jar and mix with your bulk sub into tray and mix with gloved hands till even. Let re-colonize in somewhat high CO2 conditions.

3. Once surface is colonized just sprinkle your casing over surface on the surfaced mycelium and mist the casing. After misting the casing throw into fruiting conditions (high FAE, high humiditiy, light, temp. change)

Pretty simple procedure with monos.

PS: Tropical strains will prosper at 80-85 F while colonizing and 72-75 F for fruiting. Those are about average for most tropical species. Good luck!




Your info sounds kinda advanced with fanning and stuff and u lost me after nr:1 :P


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Herdna]
    #23838204 - 11/16/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Do NOT incubate your jars, room temperature is just fine and less likely to go contam. (spore daddy)


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
    #23838224 - 11/16/16 09:41 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Do NOT incubate your jars, room temperature is just fine and less likely to go contam. (spore daddy)




Okey and how should i inculate the grains then?


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Herdna]
    #23838229 - 11/16/16 09:43 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You put them on a shelf in room temp and leave em.


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23838239 - 11/16/16 09:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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You put them on a shelf in room temp and leave em.




Yes i know that but i must inculate the spores to the rye how else is there gonna be any mycelium? :P


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Herdna]
    #23838284 - 11/16/16 10:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Inoculate, not incubate


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Kenetic]
    #23838352 - 11/16/16 10:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ahh I thought monotube had disappeared


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: mrmazdarx9]
    #23838370 - 11/16/16 10:38 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

It will never die. . . People will be growing in tubes years from now :hehehe:


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23840832 - 11/17/16 06:54 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Btw is pulverization necessery? :P


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Herdna]
    #23840836 - 11/17/16 06:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

pulverization of what?


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: enlightenment]
    #23840956 - 11/17/16 08:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Good luck man. Sifting through all the info on this site can be a little overwhelming at first. I premeditated my whole tub grow for a month before I started it.

Only advice would be to take it one step at a time.
What size tub are you planning on using?
And take it from there.

For me I went with the standard 66qt sterilite with blue latches from Walmart.  I was very particular about this size tub. I checked three locations before I found the one I wanted.

From there you can decide how much spawn and sub you will need for your tub. You want close to 3" of 1:2 spawn:bulk.

For the 66qt sterilite I measured the height of my tub. 12 inches. So 3 inches is roughly 1/4 of the entire volume of my tub. I say roughly because the tub tapers a little at the bottom.
1/4 of 66 is 16.5 qts
That's roughly how much spawn/bulk you want.


When you look at the bucket tek, which is the easiest method I think you can find for preparing bulk sub. The recipe calls for 1 brick of coir (roughly 8qts hydrated) and 2qts vermiculite
10 qts total

How much spawn do I want?
Well to keep a 1:2 spawn:bulk ratio. 10 qts bulk sub means I want roughly 5 qts spawn.
Close enough to 16.5 total for me. It's not an exact science.

For me I use 6 qt jars filled 3/4 with spawn. This ends up being 4.5 qts of spawn to 10 qts bulk sub once all is said and done. Close enough for me.


Now what to use for spawn? Rye? Wbs? Whatever cheapest man it doesn't matter. As long as you prep it correctly.

Look up some grain prep teks
Look up bucket tek
Look up how to get clean spawn (the most important part of a successful grow, I didn't bother even thinking about a monotub until after I was cleaning cultures on agar)
If you're worrued about agar being too much trouble look up pastyplates. Will be worth your time


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: enlightenment]
    #23842098 - 11/17/16 03:00 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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pulverization of what?





i have seen it on youtube that they do something with pulverizering or pastourization sorry for the bad english :P


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: enlightenment]
    #23842119 - 11/17/16 03:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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pulverization of what?




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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: Kenetic]
    #23842934 - 11/17/16 06:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pasturizing maybe?
Only if you're working with poo.


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23843232 - 11/17/16 07:46 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ah, that's the word I believe. 

I just use the cvg bucket tek and don't need to pasteurize anything.


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Re: Gathering info for my monotube setup. [Re: ComebackKid]
    #23844194 - 11/18/16 05:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Good luck man. Sifting through all the info on this site can be a little overwhelming at first. I premeditated my whole tub grow for a month before I started it.

Only advice would be to take it one step at a time.
What size tub are you planning on using?
And take it from there.

For me I went with the standard 66qt sterilite with blue latches from Walmart.  I was very particular about this size tub. I checked three locations before I found the one I wanted.

From there you can decide how much spawn and sub you will need for your tub. You want close to 3" of 1:2 spawn:bulk.

For the 66qt sterilite I measured the height of my tub. 12 inches. So 3 inches is roughly 1/4 of the entire volume of my tub. I say roughly because the tub tapers a little at the bottom.
1/4 of 66 is 16.5 qts
That's roughly how much spawn/bulk you want.


When you look at the bucket tek, which is the easiest method I think you can find for preparing bulk sub. The recipe calls for 1 brick of coir (roughly 8qts hydrated) and 2qts vermiculite
10 qts total

How much spawn do I want?
Well to keep a 1:2 spawn:bulk ratio. 10 qts bulk sub means I want roughly 5 qts spawn.
Close enough to 16.5 total for me. It's not an exact science.

For me I use 6 qt jars filled 3/4 with spawn. This ends up being 4.5 qts of spawn to 10 qts bulk sub once all is said and done. Close enough for me.


Now what to use for spawn? Rye? Wbs? Whatever cheapest man it doesn't matter. As long as you prep it correctly.

Look up some grain prep teks
Look up bucket tek
Look up how to get clean spawn (the most important part of a successful grow, I didn't bother even thinking about a monotub until after I was cleaning cultures on agar)
If you're worrued about agar being too much trouble look up pastyplates. Will be worth your time





Okey thanks for the help! :smile: i really dont know why i need agar and pastyplates for?
When it comes to the casing im thinking about using coco coir,vermiculite and for the grain i will use Rye grain, Im also going to use 2 plastic square totes as fruiting chamber. :smile:


Edited by Herdna (11/18/16 05:47 AM)


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