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Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics
    #23838101 - 11/16/16 08:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pan Goiath mycelium eaten whole casing layer.
I don't know what to do. No pins yet after 5 days.

Here's pic:


New pics here:


Edited by noppie (11/22/16 04:14 AM)


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23838430 - 11/16/16 11:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Keep on waiting. Eventually when the whole surface is too matted for anything to pin, the bitch is done


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #23838790 - 11/16/16 01:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Did you put your sub back in incubation after casing? If so for how long? What kind of fae is it getting?


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: lazerus00]
    #23838915 - 11/16/16 01:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Did you put your sub back in incubation after casing? If so for how long? What kind of fae is it getting?




No, just put casing layer and leave them in fruiting room (grow room)
Here's the room:



FAE is controlled by a fan inside suck air and push to outside.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23841755 - 11/17/16 01:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

i've seen growers deal with this situation in different ways but i don't recall any of them being all that effective. the main way involved cutting off the blobs and scratching the surface.

i had an idea that is total speculation but it might be worth considering. could it be possible that you could flip the substrate over and recase it and try to fruit off the bottom which would then be the top? my understanding of the situation is that the cellular structure of the mycelium that consumes the casing layer isn't conducive to fruiting but the surface of the mycelium on the bottom should be unaffected by that. as i said this speculation so if anyone else wants to chime in on this feel free. i think i'm going to post about this the official copelandia/panaeolus thread to see what others think about it.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Panarchist]
    #23844233 - 11/18/16 06:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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i've seen growers deal with this situation in different ways but i don't recall any of them being all that effective. the main way involved cutting off the blobs and scratching the surface.

i had an idea that is total speculation but it might be worth considering. could it be possible that you could flip the substrate over and recase it and try to fruit off the bottom which would then be the top? my understanding of the situation is that the cellular structure of the mycelium that consumes the casing layer isn't conducive to fruiting but the surface of the mycelium on the bottom should be unaffected by that. as i said this speculation so if anyone else wants to chime in on this feel free. i think i'm going to post about this the official copelandia/panaeolus thread to see what others think about it.




Here's last picture of case:



See somewhere are blue somewhere yellow.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23844241 - 11/18/16 06:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

damn pans just running amok on the casing :oldman2:

i think they are laughing the whole time


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23844420 - 11/18/16 07:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Ive never seen anyhing like this before. Very bizarre.

I would try carefully patching over the strange alien blobs with moist coir. Might help :shrug:


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23844909 - 11/18/16 10:53 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Here's last picture of case:



See somewhere are blue somewhere yellow.




if the mycelium is turning blue that means it's feeling pretty stressed out. and that yellow color is probably infection developing. if the yellow color increases it would probably be a good idea to get it out of your fruiting chamber immediately because you do not want that infection to spread. with overlay as bad as this is i don't think you're going to get any fruits off those substrates. if it was just limited to certain areas there would be a possibility but when it is as widespread as you have it here it's highly unlikely.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Panarchist]
    #23844973 - 11/18/16 11:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The yellow is drying, dying overlay mycelium. Patching it won't do shit, that shit is fucked. I too highly doubt you'll see fruits.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #23847522 - 11/19/16 05:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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The yellow is drying, dying overlay mycelium. Patching it won't do shit, that shit is fucked. I too highly doubt you'll see fruits.




Today I see this:


Are those pins?


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23847598 - 11/19/16 07:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yep! :smile: Now let's hope they don't stay dwarfy


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #23847606 - 11/19/16 07:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yep! :smile: Now let's hope they don't stay dwarfy




Should I stop misting now?


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23847607 - 11/19/16 07:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yes


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #23847611 - 11/19/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Yes




I thought maybe 1-2 days misting is good? Nothing more pins more than you see in photo.
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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23847627 - 11/19/16 07:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Don't ever mist pan pins. You'll regret it


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23847878 - 11/19/16 09:32 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Today I see this:


Are those pins?





cool, maybe you will be able to pull some fruits off those. good luck with your fruiting and keep us posted.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #23850505 - 11/20/16 05:30 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Don't ever mist pan pins. You'll regret it




Today I see these weird pins why is that weird shapes pinning.



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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23850761 - 11/20/16 08:34 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

haha daaamn.. will this be the new pan cyan penis envy :laugh:


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    #23850782 - 11/20/16 08:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Take a cluster clone.  You won't regret it.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: wtfcrazymofo]
    #23850793 - 11/20/16 08:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Take a cluster clone.  You won't regret it.




How and when can I do that? I'm newbie on growing.


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    #23850828 - 11/20/16 09:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Definitely going to be dwarfs. Caps are already opening


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #23850886 - 11/20/16 09:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Definitely going to be dwarfs. Caps are already opening




Why is that occurred what you think? Any advice for further grows?


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23850897 - 11/20/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Idk. People said lack of fae/too wet when I had it happen to me. Such finicky little fucks


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23851399 - 11/20/16 12:40 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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wow, that is some freaky looking mycelium. never seen anything like that before. it looks like the surface of some strange alien planet. glad to see you at least got something out of it. a number of panaeolus growers have found that the best way to prevent this condition is to allow your substrate a 3-6 day consolidation period after you get to %100 full visible colonization. here's an explanation of the logic behind it: 

" A very simple trick is to allow the fully colonized sub a 3-6 day consolidation period. This seems to help the mycelium get out of its vegetative state and into fruiting mode. When I first started growing pans, I saw the same kind of results as described by blindingleaf. The casing would overlay and produce poorly. And I noticed that the best fruiting would occur in the properly colonized areas not overlaid. Once I started consolidating, this issue was immeditaly fixed and I always do it now. "

https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/23497587#23497587


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Panarchist]
    #23851492 - 11/20/16 01:07 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I completely disagree with that. It takes my pan cultures 3-5 days maximum (any longer then there's a problem Ime) to colonize a small manure substrate (1 inch depth, 1:2 ratio) a 1/8-1/4 inch casing applied and fruited right away has been the best results for almost everyone growing pans that I've talked to, including myself. They pin in 24-72 hours generally when there's more FAE than you can believe is even possible. In mono tubs I have the top holes unstuffed, and I have 2 extra holes (so basically 4 unstuffed top holes). The bottom holes are medium-light. MAX FAE is recommended. They literally never get enough. Pans are like way faster than cubes IME. Letting them consolidate has done nothing but produce what OPs substrate did IME. The overlay is real, and it comes fuckin quick, so induce pinning ASAP.

I mean his results are impressive, but consolidation just gives it much more overlay than you actually want. They're ready to go so quickly ya know?


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23852159 - 11/20/16 05:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Take a cluster clone.  You won't regret it.




How and when can I do that? I'm newbie on growing.




UTSF for a cloning tek and agar tek.  Follow it to a T.  You got this. Clones can grow faster.  Keep FAE optimal without losing moisture.  Once they go dry they wont grow as fruitful.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: Mad Season]
    #23853300 - 11/21/16 04:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I completely disagree with that. It takes my pan cultures 3-5 days maximum (any longer then there's a problem Ime) to colonize a small manure substrate (1 inch depth, 1:2 ratio) a 1/8-1/4 inch casing applied and fruited right away has been the best results for almost everyone growing pans that I've talked to, including myself. They pin in 24-72 hours generally when there's more FAE than you can believe is even possible. In mono tubs I have the top holes unstuffed, and I have 2 extra holes (so basically 4 unstuffed top holes). The bottom holes are medium-light. MAX FAE is recommended. They literally never get enough. Pans are like way faster than cubes IME. Letting them consolidate has done nothing but produce what OPs substrate did IME. The overlay is real, and it comes fuckin quick, so induce pinning ASAP.

I mean his results are impressive, but consolidation just gives it much more overlay than you actually want. They're ready to go so quickly ya know?




Today I shot new photos here they are:



Consolidation 1-3 days with fully colonized then add casing layer and immediately put my grow room (not used any monotub or shotgun) they are also fluffy during consolidation  in incubator.
Btw. I have a grow room automated with FAE by carbonfiltered fan that fans inside the growroom.
A heater and coolmist machine misting all time, when humidity and heat reaches limit, fan system starts and fanning till the humity and heat lower. Then stops.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23853333 - 11/21/16 05:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

what happens if u reach ur target humidity but ur temp is still too low?  are they on the same stat?


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23853347 - 11/21/16 06:04 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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what happens if u reach ur target humidity but ur temp is still too low?  are they on the same stat?




That's not possible I did get a log hourly and checking it often.
Humidity around: 80% - fan starts at 90%
Temp is around: 78f - fan starts at 80f

Fan stops at: 77f and 80%


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23853350 - 11/21/16 06:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

gotcha.
what kind of heater are you using?


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23853369 - 11/21/16 06:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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gotcha.
what kind of heater are you using?




I'm using Convection Heater (not oil) right middle on the room.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23853375 - 11/21/16 06:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nice.  Was just curious.

Fogger discs create some ambient heat while providing enough humidity if ur cool mist ever breaks.

As far as the caps, I dunno.  FWIW a couple tines this summer I cased Pan cambo'so a lot thicker to try and combat any kind of overlay, and the caps resembled yours when I did that.  If they initiate from substrate by the time the caps start really growing, the depth of the casing can make them appear short like that.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23853429 - 11/21/16 07:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Nice.  Was just curious.

Fogger discs create some ambient heat while providing enough humidity if ur cool mist ever breaks.

As far as the caps, I dunno.  FWIW a couple tines this summer I cased Pan cambo'so a lot thicker to try and combat any kind of overlay, and the caps resembled yours when I did that.  If they initiate from substrate by the time the caps start really growing, the depth of the casing can make them appear short like that.




Do you think those mushrooms stays dwarf? Or loose potency? How could I know when the harvest time comes?


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: noppie]
    #23853554 - 11/21/16 08:33 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure, I'm running with the assumption that like cubes, potency can be affected on a dry weight basis by the amount of spore production going on, however much that might be.

It will b annoying to harvest and The stems will be annoying to clean, that's for sure.  No way to prevent it at this point, but it's good u got fruits!

Harvest right before cap looks like it is about to flatten out.


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Re: Pan Cyan myc eaten casing layer. Pls help w/ pics [Re: blindingleaf]
    #23856268 - 11/22/16 04:12 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Pls check new pics from main thread.


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