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Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old)
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I know gun control is a huge debate in this country, but one thing that has even more people sided is what the appropriate age to introduce a child to guns should be.
Some gun advocates say that children should be taught this responsibility early on, even as toddlers, so they know how to handle them.
I think that's crazy. I wouldn't trust a little kid to drive a car. Why on earth would I trust them with a gun?
I was watching this WWYD clip where a woman is protesting a child in a gun shop, but it seems everybody in the shop defends the child and his parents, even when the gun is a fully automatic weapon like an AK47. What do you guys think?
If you are for it, what age do you think is the appropriate age?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 1
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I had a BB rifle when I was 7 years old and I regularly fired buck shots with the super vision of my father. Everybody lived
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
#23837791 - 11/16/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Patlal said: I had a BB rifle when I was 7 years old and I regularly fired buck shots with the super vision of my father. Everybody lived
BB guns aren't real guns... that's like the equivalent of owning a paintball gun.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 4
#23837798 - 11/16/16 06:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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How old is your child when you show them which end of the knife is safe? I think 5 would be too late.
If you have knives in the home, or you know there are knives in your neighbor's home, how could early education about such safety be worse than a "wait and see" approach?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: flickedbic]
#23837806 - 11/16/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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flickedbic said: How old is your child when you show them which end of the knife is safe? I think 5 would be too late.
If you have knives in the home, or you know there are knives in your neighbors home, how could early education about such safety be worse than a "wait and see" approach?
A lot of parents don't allow their children to use knives. I've been to a lot of households where children even as old as 10 were not allowed to use any of the cooking knives.
But in any case, the two are not nearly analogous and comparing guns to knives it not nearly the same thing. Because nobody ever dies of an "accidental stabbing" related to knives.
There are sometimes injuries, usually related to falling on a knife or pair of scissors. That's why one of the first lessons you get as a toddler is, "Don't run with sharp objects" and "Hold the blade away from you when you walk."
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23837811 - 11/16/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Usually young children are taught not to touch a gun if they see one (and to tell an adult), just like with knives when they are too young.
But if using knives and scissors is a part of life and you don't want a dangerously inept ten year old, I think the "holding the blade/muzzle down and keeping your hand off the danger zone" lessons should also be given early on.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 1
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B. Responsibly supervised at 6 - 10 years old depending on household, lifestyle, what weapon, neighborhood/region, who you voted 4,lol...
My grandkids probably wont handle firearms until they're adults, if ever, even though their parents have handled them, they now prefer not to own any. Maybe a bb gun shooting booth at the state fair when they're bigger if they want.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 2
#23837839 - 11/16/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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If they're interested, then why not start them early? Just supervise them closely. If you haven't raised your kid to be a moron, then you should be good.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: vinsue] 1
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Properly trained, absolutely. And every kid learns things at different rates so I would say however long it takes to properly train them.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23837848 - 11/16/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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BB guns aren't real guns... that's like the equivalent of owning a paintball gun.
Not really. I've been shot by both; a bb hurts a lot more. And a high powered airgun shooting pellets can fuck some shit up.
That said, it depends entirely on the family and the child. If i did'nt know the kid, then no, i would'nt trust hir. But if i knew hir family to be quality folk who could teach safety and righteous logic, then i could. I started a bit later, but having an uncle who hunted and being exposed to his friends helped instill a sense ov firearm responsibility. Being brought up around people who use firearms responsibly is different than some kid brought up around a video game controller.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: lavod]
#23837867 - 11/16/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Have you been robbed before while delivering or are you just taking precautions?
To OP: I don't think it's an issue as long as parents are watching them like a hawk and standing right behind them and physically guiding them while they practice. It's not the same as a car, there are more variables in driving that can make things go south, kids should just be in a very controlled environment if they're learning to shoot. Obviously I think there's a limit to how young they could be to be able to understand the dangers though, but I would say 8 years old is a fine place to start.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Eminence]
#23837892 - 11/16/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Some interesting responses.
But accidents can happen even under the watchful eyes of a trained and skilled marksman.
What is everybody's opinion of the 9 year old girl who accidentally killed her instructor with an Uzi?
What do you guys think? Is an Uzi too much for a kid?
I find it amazing how people think nothing bad will happen putting an uzi into the hands of a little kid. Like what did you think was going to happen...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/02/girl-who-accidentally-shot-her-instructor-with-an-uzi-said-the-gun-was-too-much-for-her/?utm_term=.50d7b7ba8e85
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23837934 - 11/16/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Apparently fully automatic Uzi's can be too much for 9 year old girls.
The instructor was awfully close to the front of the gun.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23837964 - 11/16/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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That instructor is a moron, so is the kid's dad. Yeah an Uzi is probably too much lol..nothing automatic period for children I would say.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23837981 - 11/16/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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When I was little, and I'm not sure how old I was but it was before I was in school like 6 or 7 my dad let me shoot an automatic M1911 to teach me to respect firearms.
I was a little guy and when I shot it I was sitting on the tailgate of a pickup truck and it threw me all the way back against the cab. From that second forward I was very interested in gun safety.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 4
#23837990 - 11/16/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Some gun advocates say that children should be taught this responsibility early on, even as toddlers, so they know how to handle them.
I think that's crazy. I wouldn't trust a little kid to drive a car. Why on earth would I trust them with a gun?
my kids can drive and my kids can shoot, dont you think it's irresponsible of parents to not teach kids about gun safety as opposed to 'you never touch a gun ever'. without instruction in how to safely handle a firearm a kid that does end up in a situation where a gun is found is more likely to handle that weapon because that curiosity is there and there's a greater chance that that weapon could be discharged due to him or her handling it without instruction
my kids were taught to treat every firearm they encounter as if it is real and loaded, that it should never be pointed at anything they do not intend to kill, they learn to understand bullet trajectories and energy so that they know where the bullet will end up which translates in english to 'know what is behind your target and they are taught to keep their booger hook off the bang switch until they are ready to fire that weapon. I also teach them to load and unload that weapon so that in the off chance they discover one at a friend's house, they know how to make that gun safe
no why would I teach my kids to shoot and drive? because shit happens, I work dangerous jobs, not like cops claim their shit is dangerous but legitimately dangerous jobs where machinery can drag a person in and turn them into goo and we also go on our leisure time to go camping or caving where there is also a risk of serious injury or death and there is frequently no cell phone service so it seems that the smart thing to do is to teach them to get the injured party off the mountain to a location where they can meet an ambulance or to get them to a hospital. it's also beneficial for them to know how to hunt for food in case there's a situation where they will need to or even should they nee to defend themselves in our home
now how do I know that what I teach my kids about guns is effective, because I leave a rifle in plain view, it's loaded and they're both still alive, my daughter unloaded it and brought it to me once because she wasnt aware that it was left for specifically that purpose and based on the fact that it's collected dust having sat there the last 3 years, it's been untouched since then which shows that what they've learned is a good foundation. they dont feel the need to pretend to shoot things with real or fake weapons, they dont have the curiosity to pick the rifle up and play with it or pull the trigger to see if it's loaded
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thanks for showing your ignorance, AK47s are not fully automatic in this country, well, maybe a very small number, a few thousand at most, the vast majority of them are semi auto, 1 trigger pull equals 1 bullet exiting the muzzle. you ignorance of is more dangerous that a child having knowledge of a firearm
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Eminence]
#23837992 - 11/16/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Eminence said: Have you been robbed before while delivering or are you just taking precautions?
Never robbed yet, but it has happened in the area. It's safer since i'm an indy driver as opposed to PIG3, but it's a very dangerous job regardless. It's great that i'm allowed to carry. PIG3 drivers are'nt and if they do and end up shooting an attacker out ov self defense they get fired. They also encourage their drivers to get robbed by making them use car toppers(rob-me signs). PIG3(Pizza Industrial Giant- PH, DP, PJ) do everything in their ability to make sure that their drivers operate in an unsafe manner and make as little money as possible. I fully encourage the support ov local indy establishments, especially ones with courteous(except to stiffs) and ultra fast drivers like myself.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23838012 - 11/16/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: What is everybody's opinion of the 9 year old girl who accidentally killed her instructor with an Uzi?
What do you guys think? Is an Uzi too much for a kid?
I find it amazing how people think nothing bad will happen putting an uzi into the hands of a little kid. Like what did you think was going to happen...
was he really an instructor or was he someone that taught a kid to point and pull the trigger, an instructor would have known not to put a weapon in a child's hand that they would have difficulty controlling, adding a stock to that weapon would have made it much safer and easier to control. even adults have difficulty the first few times. an instructor also woldnt have placed himself in the direction of the muzzle climb which is always the same direction on every automatic firearm
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Eminence]
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I think early education in firearms saftey is extremely important when you have guns in the home. You think most of those kids who find their parents firearm and accidentally shoot themselves or someone else really understand that it's not a toy??
I was about 7 or 8 when my dad took me and my younger brother (who was probably about 4) to the firing range with his .22 and a friends shotgun. He let me fire them with him holding it and he let my little brother touch to feel the recoil, but as far as I remember didn't let him shoot. He told us how to handle it, how to make sure, always make sure, it wasn't loaded, taught us about ricochet and misfiring and how if we touched a firearm without daddy helping us we could kill ourselves. Before the day was done we understand very well that if we ever played with a real gun our hide would be stripped from the neck down. More importantly we understood why and how justified a punishment would be. Edit: my parents also taught us to NEVER point a firearm, not even a toy gun, at someone else unless they knew we were playing with them. It was one of the wisest things they taught us.
I will always favor education over avoidance. People, kids especially, will find their way into things you want them to avoid. It's better to make them understand as much as possible why they should avoid some things.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23838021 - 11/16/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: What is everybody's opinion of the 9 year old girl who accidentally killed her instructor with an Uzi?
What do you guys think? Is an Uzi too much for a kid?
I find it amazing how people think nothing bad will happen putting an uzi into the hands of a little kid. Like what did you think was going to happen...
was he really an instructor or was he someone that taught a kid to point and pull the trigger, an instructor would have known not to put a weapon in a child's hand that they would have difficulty controlling, adding a stock to that weapon would have made it much safer and easier to control. even adults have difficulty the first few times. an instructor also woldnt have placed himself in the direction of the muzzle climb which is always the same direction on every automatic firearm
A well trained and conscientious instruction wouldn't... There are idiots in every walk of life. And unfortunately they tend to make everyone look bad.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23838032 - 11/16/16 08:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I shoved a pistol up my pregnant wife so the little bugger could practice early, know what im saying?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23838039 - 11/16/16 08:19 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: they dont feel the need to pretend to shoot things with real or fake weapons, they dont have the curiosity to pick the rifle up and play with it or pull the trigger to see if it's loaded
That might be from your teaching, it also might be coincidence. I never felt the need to play with real or fake weapons or had any strong curiosity or desire towards them. I'm sure if I actually ran into an unsupervised gun, I would have reported it to an adult like I was instructed to.
Also leaving a loaded rifle in the house with a bunch of kids, that story could have turned out a very different way depending on your luck.
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you ignorance of is more dangerous that a child having knowledge of a firearm
Because people are just supposed to have knowledge of AK47's?
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was he really an instructor or was he someone that taught a kid to point and pull the trigger, an instructor would have known not to put a weapon in a child's hand that they would have difficulty controlling, adding a stock to that weapon would have made it much safer and easier to control. even adults have difficulty the first few times. an instructor also woldnt have placed himself in the direction of the muzzle climb which is always the same direction on every automatic firearm
He was a real instructor, I'm surprised you haven't heard of that case. He was a shooting range instructor in Arizona. The kids were there because of some class field trip or something.
What really kills me are the videos you see of mentally ill people shooting people at the range... because a shooting range is the perfect place for somebody with a known mental illness? 
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
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I used to shoot guns in 1st grade, but I wouldn't be comfortable around a child as young as 6-8 with a gun.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
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That is kind of reckless. I mean again I think teaching them a lesson is important... But they didn't go about it the right way at all...
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
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BB guns aren't real guns... that's like the equivalent of owning a paintball gun.
I disagree. A gun is a gun, no matter how powerful it is. I had an object that could cause pain in my hands. If I had shot someone in the eye with that thing that someone would have had a blind eye for the rest of his life.
Also, I can defend my house with a BB gun just as I can with a 45. If I shoot a thief on the elbow with my BB rifle the guy would have to at least get out of the house to regroup.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
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If I shoot a thief on the elbow with my BB rifle the guy would have to at least get out of the house to regroup.
Lol, no...
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
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Your parents obviously did a good job of making you respect firearms. And I applaud them and you for recognizing that a BB gun can be dangerous. But no a BB is not a real gun. I've been shot with paintball guns that hurt 100x worse than a standard pump action air rifle.
If I had to compare on which would be more likely to cause internal bleeding I'd have gone with the paintball gun. I got shot from like 30ft and my body was covered in so many egg sized welts I couldn't even wear a shirt in my own size for weeks. If I hadn't had all that muscle and fat over my gut at the time it probably would have been way worse.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: flickedbic]
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If I shoot a thief on the elbow with my BB rifle the guy would have to at least get out of the house to regroup.
Lol, no...
I don't think you understand how powerful BB guns are. They're on a way different level then air soft or paintball. They shoot tiny metal BB's that'll impale you
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If I shoot a thief on the elbow with my BB rifle the guy would have to at least get out of the house to regroup.
Lol, no...
I remember the pellets going through 4 pepsi cans before stopping. I wasn't a cheap pump rifle with round BBs. It was a rack barrel rifle with these pointy BBs. I loved that thing.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
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I also had a 1,000 FPS air rifle as a kid, I know...
Even with a real gun and multiple center mass shots you can get your head smashed in by an attacker.
https://www.gunsamerica.com/blog/the-center-mass-myth-and-ending-a-gunfight-triggernometry/
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
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Alright we're obviously not all meeting eye to eye on this. Is it a pump action BB gun we're talking about? Because that's not the same thing as a CO2 powered pellet gun.
You were using a pellet gun patlal.
And those are not the same thing as airsoft guns either.
I'd still go with the high-powered paintball gun on scale of ow. I bet you could do some damage if you loaded it with marbles...
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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You were using a pellet gun patlal.
And those are not the same thing as airsoft guns either.
I'd still go with the high-powered paintball gun on scale of ow. I bet you could do some damage if you loaded it with marbles...
A crack barrel spring BB rifle. My younger step brother had a pump BB with round things.
Shit maybe you're right. it was pellets but I could fire BBs from it too. So same caliber I guess.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Hahahahahahaha what the fuck kind of responses in this thread is this bullshit? i thought this was a joke thread.
oh yeah, let a hunch of fucking 6 year olds run around with guns
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
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I clearly remember my dad saying that I was the only one who could use it alone. My step brother could use it if I was there And my best friend that was my age could also use it. These were the only 3 people my age or younger that touched that thing.
In retrospect it's cool cause my daad gave me the responsibility to supervise my step brother. it added respect to the weapon.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
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Prisoner#1 said: they dont feel the need to pretend to shoot things with real or fake weapons, they dont have the curiosity to pick the rifle up and play with it or pull the trigger to see if it's loaded
That might be from your teaching, it also might be coincidence. I never felt the need to play with real or fake weapons or had any strong curiosity or desire towards them. I'm sure if I actually ran into an unsupervised gun, I would have reported it to an adult like I was instructed to.
Also leaving a loaded rifle in the house with a bunch of kids, that story could have turned out a very different way depending on your luck.
yeah, you're totally right. the story could have turned out a lot different
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you ignorance of is more dangerous that a child having knowledge of a firearm
Because people are just supposed to have knowledge of AK47's? 
I'm pretty sure we've had this very discussion before where you claimed AKs to be automatics
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He was a real instructor, I'm surprised you haven't heard of that case. He was a shooting range instructor in Arizona. The kids were there because of some class field trip or something.
dont be surprised, I have heard about this when it happened, I've seen the video posted dozens of times but it doesnt change things, a guy can buy some land, call it a gun range and call himself an instructor but that doesnt make him an instructor if he doesnt follow the basic fundamentals of gun safety
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What really kills me are the videos you see of mentally ill people shooting people at the range... because a shooting range is the perfect place for somebody with a known mental illness? 
you know what really kills me? the fact that liberals spout this kind of shit but then turn around and dont want to involve police and mental health professionals in the lives of those that are mentally unstable because they think it's going to ruin someone's life. the reporter mentions everyone knew she was nuts and yet this bitch wasnt in an institution, it wasnt tattooed on her forehead that she was a nutter so the range master couldnt know she was unstable so there you have that fine line that liberals love to walk in order to try and ban guns as being dangerous when the reality of it is, the liberals are dangerous
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
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could be a regional difference in terminology that's tripping us up. I know most people who didn't grow up with it are as likely as not to call any air or gas powered firearm a BB gun.
I try not to because there is a difference. You could hurt a small animal with a BB gun but you could kill it with a pellet gun. Knowing the difference is the difference between a redneck dinner and going out to eat.
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Sheekle said: Hahahahahahaha what the fuck kind of responses in this thread is this bullshit? i thought this was a joke thread.
oh yeah, let a hunch of fucking 6 year olds run around with guns
I'd trust a child with a gun over you with one 
Nobody's talking about letting kids "run around with guns" we're talking about training them at a young age to know how to use them carefully and respect them.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
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Also, I can defend my house with a BB gun just as I can with a 45. If I shoot a thief on the elbow with my BB rifle the guy would have to at least get out of the house to regroup.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
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BB guns aren't real guns... that's like the equivalent of owning a paintball gun.
so you'd rather teach people ignorance of firearms
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297127/Boy-10-dies-brother-accidentally-shot-head-BB-gun.html http://www.cbs46.com/story/23299569/1-year-old-child-shot-with-bb-gun-dies
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BB guns aren't real guns... that's like the equivalent of owning a paintball gun.
so you'd rather teach people ignorance of firearms
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2297127/Boy-10-dies-brother-accidentally-shot-head-BB-gun.html http://www.cbs46.com/story/23299569/1-year-old-child-shot-with-bb-gun-dies
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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Point is, we are raising weak, lazy young people today. I had an air rifle for as long as I can remember. I was taken to the north woods of Wisconsin to go deer hunting in a tent at four years old. (mind you this is November in WI) I was taught basic firearm safety by my father, uncle and grandfather until I was old enough to enlist in the state safety course. Killed my fist deer at 12, and wandered Whitewater State Park in SE MN with a 410/.22 over-under for a few days at a time while I was 10-15 making makeshift camps and stalking small game. I personally think it is very important to teach children firearm safety, especially if they will be exposed to them. I'm glad I was raised when and where I was, those days are long over now. If the shit hits the fan I sure as fuck don't want to be surrounded by the clueless, lazy youth of today who could not grow a garden, build a snare or stitch a wound on their own without YouTube. Dick
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
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the crazy thing is she seems to be promoting knife and scissor safety and even advocating for not teaching children how to properly use knives so they dont lose a finger when they start learning to cook for themselves. it makes you wonder if she's ever had an actual home cooked meal or cooked anything for herself that didnt involve a microwave or prepackaged brown and serve foods
I think it's better to teach a kid important skills that will foster confidence in life, teach then to think about safety and how to handle situations in which an injury does occur
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
#23838201 - 11/16/16 09:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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My little brother (13 years younger than me) taught himself how to skin and gut squirrels off youtube. He then used a BB gun to kill one. He prepared it all by himself and had it in the freezer ready to cook before any of my other family got home that day. He was 11 when he did this. Everyone knew he was planning on getting a squirrel because he was teaching himself how to prepare one, but he did it all by himself.
He's 13 now. He's been taught how to handle weapons since a young age, he get's extremely angry when he sees others fucking around unsafely. He's allowed to shoot BB guns when he wants, and has shot shotguns, pistols, carbines and a 50 caliber rifle with strict supervision.
So I don't personally see anything wrong with it if you're well supervised and are properly instilled with a sense of safety around them. I was never interested in weapons when I was younger myself, but I enjoy shooting now. I never had handled a rifle till I was 22, and wish I had learned earlier when I shot for the first few times.
Personally, I think weapons classes should be mandatory before people finish high school. Not everyone needs to own a weapon, but everyone should know how to properly use them, and how to act around them. Mistakes happen, but fucking around is the most common mistake. Accidentally pointing a loaded weapon at someone with no intention to shoot them and shit like that. You could teach people weapons safety with blanks if you need to. I took archery in High School, it was arguably just as dangerous, or at least close to it. Gun safety has more relevance than archery though.
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they tend to like it better when they're fisted while still alive
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
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they tend to like it better when they're fisted while still alive
I'm white, I can not run that fast.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
#23838228 - 11/16/16 09:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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there's no law against fisting over a baited field
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23838238 - 11/16/16 09:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Touché sir
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
#23838268 - 11/16/16 10:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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A.RichardTrickle said: Point is, we are raising weak, lazy young people today.
I think it's worse that they are sheltered. People not understanding reality or how life works is how we elect Donald Trump. ... kidding, but it is a huge problem and I think it's largely contributing to alot of glaring societal problems most others seem to be scratching their heads over. Children are like dogs, if you do not let them get their paws dirty and train them how to act then eventually they're going to find themself in a situation they don't understand and will act inappropriately. Either by tucking their tail and running or barking and biting. Some can even go full cojo...
I think the biggest threat to the upcoming generation is that they are largely children being raised by children. They have the potential to correct much of what we couldn't but if they're busy squabbling about the shit we often are today (most being uneducated and unqualified to squabble... It used to be that if you didn't know much you kept your mouth shut...) they're probably going to elect the antichrist as world leader because he says nice things and claims to end the squabbling once and for all.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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A.RichardTrickle said: Point is, we are raising weak, lazy young people today.
I think it's worse that they are sheltered. People not understanding reality or how life works is how we elect Donald Trump. ... kidding, but it is a huge problem and I think it's largely contributing to alot of glaring societal problems
it's just this kind of attitude that leads to this kind of thing happening
http://kdvr.com/2016/09/21/deputies-dog-stabs-woman/
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Eminence]
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oh yeah, let a hunch of fucking 6 year olds run around with guns
I'd trust a child with a gun over you with one 
Nobody's talking about letting kids "run around with guns" we're talking about training them at a young age to know how to use them carefully and respect them.
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#23838294 - 11/16/16 10:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the article makes it sound like that's happened more than once. I'm sorry but if you don't have the sense to be responsible for your own safety then you shouldn't be responsible for another living creature.
Though it is sketchy. She probably actually had a mental episode and slashed herself, didn't wanna go off to the ward, and blamed the dog.
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God damn sheekle, you really know how to contribute to a discussion...you're way too predictable man
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the dog was armed with a fully automatic asteak knife!!!
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: PatrickKn]
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In theory yes, in practice no. If we can't trust them with normal sissors, How can we trust them with a gun?
That being said I am a huge proponent of both early gun education and guns in general, I own quite a few.
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I've seen your hair. you shouldnt be around scissors
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#23838348 - 11/16/16 10:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I handle a rifle better than I do scissors.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: CookieCrumbs]
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the real question is, can you chop an onion without losing an eye?
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Do they make flat bullets? If not I could probably dice
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Crystal G said: I know gun control is a huge debate in this country, but one thing that has even more people sided is what the appropriate age to introduce a child to guns should be.
Some gun advocates say that children should be taught this responsibility early on, even as toddlers, so they know how to handle them.
I think that's crazy. I wouldn't trust a little kid to drive a car. Why on earth would I trust them with a gun?
I was watching this WWYD clip where a woman is protesting a child in a gun shop, but it seems everybody in the shop defends the child and his parents, even when the gun is a fully automatic weapon like an AK47. What do you guys think?
If you are for it, what age do you think is the appropriate age?
I wouldn't generally give guns to children but they've got to learn that early with good supervision and instruction on how to be safe. I learned to shoot a .22 rifle when I was about 7 or 8, and I had my own .22 when I was 12. We lived in the country. City people are looney about anything to do with guns. You'll be better off to ignore the urbanites and their crazy ideas as much as possible.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Ellis Dee]
#23838421 - 11/16/16 10:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I wouldn't trust wandering bands of lord of the flies kids, but normal children with adult supervision and proper training why not?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Ellis Dee] 1
#23838427 - 11/16/16 10:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Ellis Dee said: I wouldn't generally give guns to children but they've got to learn that early with good supervision and instruction on how to be safe. I learned to shoot a .22 rifle when I was about 7 or 8, and I had my own .22 when I was 12. We lived in the country. City people are looney about anything to do with guns. You'll be better off to ignore the urbanites and their crazy ideas as much as possible.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23838439 - 11/16/16 11:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: I know gun control is a huge debate in this country, but one thing that has even more people sided is what the appropriate age to introduce a child to guns should be.
Some gun advocates say that children should be taught this responsibility early on, even as toddlers, so they know how to handle them.
I think that's crazy. I wouldn't trust a little kid to drive a car. Why on earth would I trust them with a gun?
I was watching this WWYD clip where a woman is protesting a child in a gun shop, but it seems everybody in the shop defends the child and his parents, even when the gun is a fully automatic weapon like an AK47. What do you guys think?
If you are for it, what age do you think is the appropriate age?
Should small children be trusted with guns? no. If small children are handling guns it should be under supervision. Gun safety should be taught at an early age though IMO. There are tons of preventable accidents that happen because kids are playing with guns that they don't understand how to handle safely (I'll not get into who should be responsible for keeping their guns locked up). Everybody should at least be taught how to load and unload a gun safely, whether they plan on ever using one or not.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23838564 - 11/16/16 11:46 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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At what age to introduce children to firearms?
At age 8 and up I played around with the air pistol of my dad, did some dumb stuff but never really dangerous.
At about age 10 I got my own air rifle, or rather, paid for and ordered with money from my allowance, saved up long and hard for that one. 30 meters effective, side lever action, .177 lead diabolos, really powerful. I never shot a single animal but it could shoot a cat or rabbit, it was that powerful.
Its gone.
I think I would have been ready for small caliber firearms at around age 12, perhaps a .22 LR pistol or a pistol cartridge firing rifle.
Nothing bad would have happened with it. At that age I was handling pyrochemicals for fun, I had caused my first detonations, sent rockets flying, got flash powder to work, no trouble at all. I could have easily handled firearms.
Water pistols are good at any age as an entry level, perhaps then work up to airsoft, then airguns, then the real thing.
Many kids do not have the luxury of anything resembling a childhood and they still do sorta OK.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Asante] 1
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I was shooting a .22 at 5 years. Now...... granted, I was raised in the country and all my pals were poppin caps in elementary. There were always adults untill we were about 10. But we learned. I agree Asante, to many kids never get to be kids. To many adults act like kids, it is a backwards world mang. Dick
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: A.RichardTrickle]
#23838787 - 11/16/16 01:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I've been shooting guns since I was in elementary school. It made me more responsible around firearms. My parents trusted me with the knowledge of firearm safety. They took away all the curiousity I would of had if I didn't know anything about them. my parents allowing me to use a gun under their supervision was definitely beneficial.
I think good parents are able to tell when their child is mature enough to learn and understand what gun safety is all about. Its better they know rather than come across one at a friends house and someone gets injured.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23839835 - 11/16/16 07:21 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: you know what really kills me? the fact that liberals spout this kind of shit but then turn around and dont want to involve police and mental health professionals in the lives of those that are mentally unstable because they think it's going to ruin someone's life. the reporter mentions everyone knew she was nuts and yet this bitch wasnt in an institution, it wasnt tattooed on her forehead that she was a nutter so the range master couldnt know she was unstable so there you have that fine line that liberals love to walk in order to try and ban guns as being dangerous when the reality of it is, the liberals are dangerous
Oh I don't blame the gun range. There's no way they could have known about her mental illness.
I blame her family for thinking it's a good idea to bring her to a place like the shooting range. What person thinks it's a good idea to bring a mentally ill person to a shooting range? Surely her family must have known about her mental illness.
See, that's just an example of how some people are TOO relaxed about shooting guns. That they think it's a good idea to bring a deranged or unstable person to a range because it's "fun."
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: mycosis]
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Eminence] 1
#23839905 - 11/16/16 07:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Herbologist] 2
#23840192 - 11/16/16 09:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I think 6-8 is a fine age for children to start learning firearm safety. I particularly like what Herbologist said:
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Herbologist said: They took away all the curiousity I would of had if I didn't know anything about them.
I think that to a child guns can be an exciting concept. They see them in the movies and video games, wielded by badasses and heroes so effortlessly and consequence free, simply making bad guys drop to the floor.
In reality guns are very heavy, extremely loud (require hearing protection), hard to control and shoot accurately and easy to make mistakes with. Mistakes that can get you and your friends hurt. Giving a child to opportunity explore firearms in a controled context will reduce firearm related hysteria and also reduce the liklihood of misuse.
Example Imagine a group of boys coming across an old rifle in grandad's barn. Kids who have no experience are likely to get exicted and try to use it, probably muzzle sweeping eachother and potentially incorrectly using the firearm.
A child who is allowed to shoot daddy's gun under supervision wouldn't be particularly excited to find grandad's old rifle. And even if he did use it, he'd be more likely to adopt safe procedures such as not muzzle sweeping his friends and loading and firing the gun correctly.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Dawks]
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840360 - 11/16/16 11:05 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: you know what really kills me? the fact that liberals spout this kind of shit but then turn around and dont want to involve police and mental health professionals in the lives of those that are mentally unstable because they think it's going to ruin someone's life. the reporter mentions everyone knew she was nuts and yet this bitch wasnt in an institution, it wasnt tattooed on her forehead that she was a nutter so the range master couldnt know she was unstable so there you have that fine line that liberals love to walk in order to try and ban guns as being dangerous when the reality of it is, the liberals are dangerous
Oh I don't blame the gun range. There's no way they could have known about her mental illness.
I blame her family for thinking it's a good idea to bring her to a place like the shooting range. What person thinks it's a good idea to bring a mentally ill person to a shooting range? Surely her family must have known about her mental illness.
See, that's just an example of how some people are TOO relaxed about shooting guns. That they think it's a good idea to bring a deranged or unstable person to a range because it's "fun."
the reason we've had many of the mass shootings we've had were because the liberals calling themselves the family of these mentally ill people stood by and did nothing. had they been on paper at some point then they wouldnt have been able to legally buy a firearm.
that is the point I was making but you seemed to skip right past
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23840382 - 11/16/16 11:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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the reason we've had many of the mass shootings we've had were because the liberals calling themselves the family of these mentally ill people stood by and did nothing. had they been on paper at some point then they wouldnt have been able to legally buy a firearm.
that is the point I was making but you seemed to skip right past
We already have laws that if you are sent to the hospital for a suicide attempt or attempted murder you are placed on a 5150 and sent to 3 days in the psychiatric institution. When this happens you are no longer eligible to buy a gun for 7 years.
I don't know what else you would want to do to ensure that every mentally ill person gets placed on some national database, except for some extreme authoritarian police-state type of measure.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840420 - 11/16/16 11:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said:
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the reason we've had many of the mass shootings we've had were because the liberals calling themselves the family of these mentally ill people stood by and did nothing. had they been on paper at some point then they wouldnt have been able to legally buy a firearm.
that is the point I was making but you seemed to skip right past
We already have laws that if you are sent to the hospital for a suicide attempt or attempted murder you are placed on a 5150 and sent to 3 days in the psychiatric institution. When this happens you are no longer eligible to buy a gun for 7 years.
I don't know what else you would want to do to ensure that every mentally ill person gets placed on some national database, except for some extreme authoritarian police-state type of measure.
we also have laws that say you arent supposed to rape, rob and kill people but those laws do no good when the persons committing these crimes or as our discussion is regarding the mentally ill, THE GOD DAMNED FAMILY THAT HAS SEEN THIS FUCKING HISTORY OF FUCKING MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOTHING TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE COMMITTED SO INSTEAD THEY GO OUT AND BUY A GUN LEGALLY AND SHOOT UP A MOTHER FUCKING THEATER
people want to sue the gun manufacturers, they want to sue the bullet manufacturers they want to sue everyone but the family of the perpetrators of these crimes dont seem to ever come into question even though they've seen the shit for years going on with their kids and they did absolutely nothing that could have prevented these tragedies
are you beginning to understand yet what I have now said 3 times?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23840429 - 11/16/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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we also have laws that say you arent supposed to rape, rob and kill people but those laws do no good when the persons committing these crimes or as our discussion is regarding the mentally ill, THE GOD DAMNED FAMILY THAT HAS SEEN THIS FUCKING HISTORY OF FUCKING MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOTHING TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE COMMITTED SO INSTEAD THEY GO OUT AND BUY A GUN LEGALLY AND SHOOT UP A MOTHER FUCKING THEATER
The problem is it's really hard to get somebody committed. You can't just be crazy or a little bit weird, you really have to prove that person is dangerous and a hostile threat to society.
I've seen parents of a lot of addicts attempt it and try to get their daughter or son committed just so they would have peace of mind knowing that their kids are safe and aren't out roaming the streets at night. Turns out you can't just claim somebody is crazy and get them committed, there are multiple steps of protocol you have to take to prove that they are a menace to others.
But yeah, it is a problem, because in a lot of these cases the mentally ill people got these guns from their own homes or from family members. As was the case with Columbine. If that family knew about their children's mental illness they should have taken better measures to either remove guns from their home or keep them out of reach of these kids. Every sane person knows mental illness and guns don't mix.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840433 - 11/16/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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keep making excuses, it's the liberal way of life.
would you like to blame society as well?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23840436 - 11/16/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: keep making excuses, it's the liberal way of life.
would you like to blame society as well?
It's not an excuse, really, I'm asking, what can you do if it's that difficult to get somebody committed?
Frankly I'm glad it's a lot more difficult to get somebody committed than it used to be. Back in the old days it used to be that a husband could simply claim his wife was insane and get her locked up in a mental asylum, he could do this with almost no evidence and would often do this just as an easy way to get rid of her.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840438 - 11/17/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're talking about committing drug addicts, not the mentally ill
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23840466 - 11/17/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Still follows the same protocol. You have to prove that somebody is insane enough to be locked up against their will, which you'd need a ton of serious evidence for, because if done without evidence can be considered imprisonment and a huge violation of human rights.
And it's a tough one, because who is going to pay to involuntarily commit this person for an indefinite period of time? We don't have socialized medicine, so realistically who can afford to hospitalize a family member for an indeterminate amount of time?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840607 - 11/17/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with Pris 100% on this. The blame lies not with the guns, but the sick individuals and their failing support system.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840687 - 11/17/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have no idea what's in this thread (although I have a pretty good idea ) but yes and no. I think they should be able to, assuming it's a gun they can handle and under careful supervision. 8 year olds don't need to be firing off high recoil small frame automatic weapons for instance IMO. It really all depends on the teacher/supervisor though. It should be someone familiar with that kid's skill set and experience, not just some random instructor. If they can't hold the gun straight for more than a minute or two (guns are heavy, children can easily get fatigued trying to hold it in a firing position pretty fast if it's too heavy for them) then they probably shouldn't be loading more than 1-2 rounds at a time and if they can't maintain total control with the recoil definitely shouldn't be more than one round at a time.
That's just some of it, there are a lot of factors to consider and far too many IMO to make this a black and white issue.
From the standpoint of ensuring safety, the best possible way is for them to become intimately familiar with them and learn to respect them. Shooting a gun for the first time is a pretty eye opening experience. We see them on TV and movies all the time and become way too accustomed to them. When you first get your chance to actually fire off a decent sized weapon, it will give you a good kick in the ass and make you realize how much power they really contain. Locking them away and just saying "you can't touch these" is counter productive. First of all they don't know how to be safe and that is when it gets dangerous because the second of all is as soon as you tell a kid not to do something, that's exactly what they want to do, and since most kids want to get away with what they're not supposed to do, they tend to do it when you're not paying attention.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Turtletotem]
#23840688 - 11/17/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Teaching a "normal" kid who shows interest in firearms how to properly handle and clean/strip/reassemble something like a .410 shotgun or a .22 rifle is not a bad thing. Kids with developmental issues have no business being around firearms. Access should be controlled 24/7 to both weapon and ammunition, both of which should be stored separately and under lock/key. A .22 rifle, if you can get enough ammo to bother, can provide plenty of practice for a kid to develop their skills in shooting with a caliber that won't kick/recoil hard, isn't too loud, etc. A slightly older kid could easily substitute a .410 shotgun and learn the difference in the types of rifles.
There is no getting rid of these things, so the responsible thing to do as Americans is at least educate our kids as much as possible about them and how they work and how to handle them responsibly.
To answer the sensationally biased question asked by OP, no, I wouldn't simply "trust a child with a gun". They aren't old enough to really understand what sort of damage they can inflict. It's all about correct supervision, maturity, and responsible educating.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
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Absolutely, children have been shown to clap without anyone even telling them "Please" So don't give me all this - they don't have enough experience - bull hickey. They're fucking geniuses, this is such a great topic to explore because we should be arming all kids and I'm so glad we're spending the time to think about this!
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: liloldme]
#23840706 - 11/17/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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liloldme said: 2 months old

Hes still learning.
I think i could trust a 6 or 8 year old if i saw them as mature enough to handle a gun. But most kids are pretty mature by 12 to 13.
At 6 they should have BB gun instead for most kids.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
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i can't even trust a 16 year old with a bb gun
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Konyap]
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It's a good thing the magic age has been reached!
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: twighead]
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that thing is like a bottle opener for a barrel horrible way to kill yourself
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Konyap]
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Konyap said: that thing is like a bottle opener for a barrel horrible way to kill yourself
this is actually a very good way to do it. I can think of a million other ways I would rather not die.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: liloldme]
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Kids should not be trusted with guns. As idiotek said, they are not old enough to truly understand the consequences. Gun safety on the other hand..... Anyone that owns guns & has kids around needs to teach the kids that guns aren't toys, that they should always be assumed to be loaded, and that they shouldn't go anywhere near them without a designated adult.....one that knows the ins & outs of guns there & guiding them. I still don't think kids should be handling guns, but they need to know couple safety things in case they stumble across one. and gun owners need to be responsible & lock that shit away where kids can't get to them. I've treated more then one child with accidental gunshot wounds to the head....self-inflicted & inflicted by siblings, because some moron left a loaded gun where they could get their hands on it. The kids in question survived, but have lifelong disabilities now. I'm talking ages from 2 years to 10 years old. People that leave their guns laying around like that oughta face a charge when it results in these situations.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Dark_Star] 1
#23840778 - 11/17/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Wait why did someone even make this thread?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: twighead] 3
#23840786 - 11/17/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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All children should have first hand experience of what happens when you fire a shotgun at close range into an animal.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23840822 - 11/17/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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An Ak-47 isn't a fully automatic gun.
At least not one you'll buy in a shop.
Read a book before running your mouth off.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840839 - 11/17/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Still follows the same protocol. You have to prove that somebody is insane enough to be locked up against their will, which you'd need a ton of serious evidence for, because if done without evidence can be considered imprisonment and a huge violation of human rights.
And it's a tough one, because who is going to pay to involuntarily commit this person for an indefinite period of time? We don't have socialized medicine, so realistically who can afford to hospitalize a family member for an indeterminate amount of time?
you're still making excuses
you seem to be under the working assumption that they'd be committing a rational or sane person, james holmes certainly was heither, his parents knew it, his friends knew it, everyone knew it. it's also not like most mentally ill people who do pose a danger and are involuntarily taken in for a 72 hour hold arent going to flip their shit
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