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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23840429 - 11/16/16 11:55 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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we also have laws that say you arent supposed to rape, rob and kill people but those laws do no good when the persons committing these crimes or as our discussion is regarding the mentally ill, THE GOD DAMNED FAMILY THAT HAS SEEN THIS FUCKING HISTORY OF FUCKING MENTAL ILLNESS DOES NOTHING TO HAVE THESE PEOPLE COMMITTED SO INSTEAD THEY GO OUT AND BUY A GUN LEGALLY AND SHOOT UP A MOTHER FUCKING THEATER
The problem is it's really hard to get somebody committed. You can't just be crazy or a little bit weird, you really have to prove that person is dangerous and a hostile threat to society.
I've seen parents of a lot of addicts attempt it and try to get their daughter or son committed just so they would have peace of mind knowing that their kids are safe and aren't out roaming the streets at night. Turns out you can't just claim somebody is crazy and get them committed, there are multiple steps of protocol you have to take to prove that they are a menace to others.
But yeah, it is a problem, because in a lot of these cases the mentally ill people got these guns from their own homes or from family members. As was the case with Columbine. If that family knew about their children's mental illness they should have taken better measures to either remove guns from their home or keep them out of reach of these kids. Every sane person knows mental illness and guns don't mix.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840433 - 11/16/16 11:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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keep making excuses, it's the liberal way of life.
would you like to blame society as well?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23840436 - 11/16/16 11:59 PM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Prisoner#1 said: keep making excuses, it's the liberal way of life.
would you like to blame society as well?
It's not an excuse, really, I'm asking, what can you do if it's that difficult to get somebody committed?
Frankly I'm glad it's a lot more difficult to get somebody committed than it used to be. Back in the old days it used to be that a husband could simply claim his wife was insane and get her locked up in a mental asylum, he could do this with almost no evidence and would often do this just as an easy way to get rid of her.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840438 - 11/17/16 12:02 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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you're talking about committing drug addicts, not the mentally ill
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
#23840466 - 11/17/16 12:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Still follows the same protocol. You have to prove that somebody is insane enough to be locked up against their will, which you'd need a ton of serious evidence for, because if done without evidence can be considered imprisonment and a huge violation of human rights.
And it's a tough one, because who is going to pay to involuntarily commit this person for an indefinite period of time? We don't have socialized medicine, so realistically who can afford to hospitalize a family member for an indeterminate amount of time?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840607 - 11/17/16 02:42 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I agree with Pris 100% on this. The blame lies not with the guns, but the sick individuals and their failing support system.
Mental health should be taken much more seriously in both America and the Netherlands.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840687 - 11/17/16 04:24 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I have no idea what's in this thread (although I have a pretty good idea ) but yes and no. I think they should be able to, assuming it's a gun they can handle and under careful supervision. 8 year olds don't need to be firing off high recoil small frame automatic weapons for instance IMO. It really all depends on the teacher/supervisor though. It should be someone familiar with that kid's skill set and experience, not just some random instructor. If they can't hold the gun straight for more than a minute or two (guns are heavy, children can easily get fatigued trying to hold it in a firing position pretty fast if it's too heavy for them) then they probably shouldn't be loading more than 1-2 rounds at a time and if they can't maintain total control with the recoil definitely shouldn't be more than one round at a time.
That's just some of it, there are a lot of factors to consider and far too many IMO to make this a black and white issue.
From the standpoint of ensuring safety, the best possible way is for them to become intimately familiar with them and learn to respect them. Shooting a gun for the first time is a pretty eye opening experience. We see them on TV and movies all the time and become way too accustomed to them. When you first get your chance to actually fire off a decent sized weapon, it will give you a good kick in the ass and make you realize how much power they really contain. Locking them away and just saying "you can't touch these" is counter productive. First of all they don't know how to be safe and that is when it gets dangerous because the second of all is as soon as you tell a kid not to do something, that's exactly what they want to do, and since most kids want to get away with what they're not supposed to do, they tend to do it when you're not paying attention.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Turtletotem]
#23840688 - 11/17/16 04:25 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Teaching a "normal" kid who shows interest in firearms how to properly handle and clean/strip/reassemble something like a .410 shotgun or a .22 rifle is not a bad thing. Kids with developmental issues have no business being around firearms. Access should be controlled 24/7 to both weapon and ammunition, both of which should be stored separately and under lock/key. A .22 rifle, if you can get enough ammo to bother, can provide plenty of practice for a kid to develop their skills in shooting with a caliber that won't kick/recoil hard, isn't too loud, etc. A slightly older kid could easily substitute a .410 shotgun and learn the difference in the types of rifles.
There is no getting rid of these things, so the responsible thing to do as Americans is at least educate our kids as much as possible about them and how they work and how to handle them responsibly.
To answer the sensationally biased question asked by OP, no, I wouldn't simply "trust a child with a gun". They aren't old enough to really understand what sort of damage they can inflict. It's all about correct supervision, maturity, and responsible educating.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840691 - 11/17/16 04:29 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Absolutely, children have been shown to clap without anyone even telling them "Please" So don't give me all this - they don't have enough experience - bull hickey. They're fucking geniuses, this is such a great topic to explore because we should be arming all kids and I'm so glad we're spending the time to think about this!
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: liloldme]
#23840706 - 11/17/16 04:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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liloldme said: 2 months old

Hes still learning.
I think i could trust a 6 or 8 year old if i saw them as mature enough to handle a gun. But most kids are pretty mature by 12 to 13.
At 6 they should have BB gun instead for most kids.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#23840717 - 11/17/16 05:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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i can't even trust a 16 year old with a bb gun
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Konyap]
#23840718 - 11/17/16 05:13 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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It's a good thing the magic age has been reached!
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: twighead]
#23840720 - 11/17/16 05:15 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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that thing is like a bottle opener for a barrel horrible way to kill yourself
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Konyap]
#23840730 - 11/17/16 05:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Konyap said: that thing is like a bottle opener for a barrel horrible way to kill yourself
this is actually a very good way to do it. I can think of a million other ways I would rather not die.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: liloldme]
#23840774 - 11/17/16 05:52 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Kids should not be trusted with guns. As idiotek said, they are not old enough to truly understand the consequences. Gun safety on the other hand..... Anyone that owns guns & has kids around needs to teach the kids that guns aren't toys, that they should always be assumed to be loaded, and that they shouldn't go anywhere near them without a designated adult.....one that knows the ins & outs of guns there & guiding them. I still don't think kids should be handling guns, but they need to know couple safety things in case they stumble across one. and gun owners need to be responsible & lock that shit away where kids can't get to them. I've treated more then one child with accidental gunshot wounds to the head....self-inflicted & inflicted by siblings, because some moron left a loaded gun where they could get their hands on it. The kids in question survived, but have lifelong disabilities now. I'm talking ages from 2 years to 10 years old. People that leave their guns laying around like that oughta face a charge when it results in these situations.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Dark_Star] 1
#23840778 - 11/17/16 05:55 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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I HEAR YE

Wait why did someone even make this thread?
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: twighead] 3
#23840786 - 11/17/16 06:03 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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All children should have first hand experience of what happens when you fire a shotgun at close range into an animal.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] 1
#23840822 - 11/17/16 06:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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An Ak-47 isn't a fully automatic gun.
At least not one you'll buy in a shop.
Read a book before running your mouth off.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
#23840839 - 11/17/16 07:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago) |
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Crystal G said: Still follows the same protocol. You have to prove that somebody is insane enough to be locked up against their will, which you'd need a ton of serious evidence for, because if done without evidence can be considered imprisonment and a huge violation of human rights.
And it's a tough one, because who is going to pay to involuntarily commit this person for an indefinite period of time? We don't have socialized medicine, so realistically who can afford to hospitalize a family member for an indeterminate amount of time?
you're still making excuses
you seem to be under the working assumption that they'd be committing a rational or sane person, james holmes certainly was heither, his parents knew it, his friends knew it, everyone knew it. it's also not like most mentally ill people who do pose a danger and are involuntarily taken in for a 72 hour hold arent going to flip their shit
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