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OfflineCrystal G
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Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old)
    #23837781 - 11/16/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I know gun control is a huge debate in this country, but one thing that has even more people sided is what the appropriate age to introduce a child to guns should be.

Some gun advocates say that children should be taught this responsibility early on, even as toddlers, so they know how to handle them.

I think that's crazy. I wouldn't trust a little kid to drive a car. Why on earth would I trust them with a gun?

I was watching this WWYD clip where a woman is protesting a child in a gun shop, but it seems everybody in the shop defends the child and his parents, even when the gun is a fully automatic weapon like an AK47. What do you guys think?

If you are for it, what age do you think is the appropriate age?



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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23837788 - 11/16/16 06:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I had a BB rifle when I was 7 years old and I regularly  fired buck shots with the super vision of my father. Everybody lived


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Patlal]
    #23837791 - 11/16/16 06:09 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I had a BB rifle when I was 7 years old and I regularly  fired buck shots with the super vision of my father. Everybody lived




BB guns aren't real guns... that's like the equivalent of owning a paintball gun.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] * 4
    #23837798 - 11/16/16 06:14 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

How old is your child when you show them which end of the knife is safe?  I think 5 would be too late.

If you have knives in the home, or you know there are knives in your neighbor's home, how could early education about such safety be worse than a "wait and see" approach?


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: flickedbic]
    #23837806 - 11/16/16 06:18 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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How old is your child when you show them which end of the knife is safe?  I think 5 would be too late.

If you have knives in the home, or you know there are knives in your neighbors home, how could early education about such safety be worse than a "wait and see" approach?




A lot of parents don't allow their children to use knives. I've been to a lot of households where children even as old as 10 were not allowed to use any of the cooking knives.

But in any case, the two are not nearly analogous and comparing guns to knives it not nearly the same thing. Because nobody ever dies of an "accidental stabbing" related to knives.

There are sometimes injuries, usually related to falling on a knife or pair of scissors. That's why one of the first lessons you get as a toddler is, "Don't run with sharp objects" and "Hold the blade away from you when you walk."


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23837811 - 11/16/16 06:27 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Usually young children are taught not to touch a gun if they see one  (and to tell an adult), just like with knives when they are too young.

But if using knives and scissors is a part of life and you don't want a dangerously inept ten year old, I think the "holding the blade/muzzle down and keeping your hand off the danger zone" lessons should also be given early on.



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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] * 1
    #23837838 - 11/16/16 06:45 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A. :trolldance:

B. Responsibly supervised at 6 - 10 years old depending on household, lifestyle, what weapon,
neighborhood/region,
who you voted 4,lol...

My grandkids probably wont handle firearms until they're adults, if ever,
even though their parents have handled them,
they now prefer not to own any.
Maybe a bb gun shooting booth at the state fair when they're bigger if they want.
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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] * 2
    #23837839 - 11/16/16 06:47 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If they're interested, then why not start them early? Just supervise them closely. If you haven't raised your kid to be a moron, then you should be good.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: vinsue] * 1
    #23837840 - 11/16/16 06:48 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Properly trained, absolutely. And every kid learns things at different rates so I would say however long it takes to properly train them.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23837848 - 11/16/16 06:57 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:

BB guns aren't real guns... that's like the equivalent of owning a paintball gun.




Not really.  I've been shot by both; a bb hurts a lot more.  And a high powered airgun shooting pellets can fuck some shit up.

That said, it depends entirely on the family and the child.  If i did'nt know the kid, then no, i would'nt trust hir.  But if i knew hir family to be quality folk who could teach safety and righteous logic, then i could.  I started a bit later, but having an uncle who hunted and being exposed to his friends helped instill a sense ov firearm responsibility.  Being brought up around people who use firearms responsibly is different than some kid brought up around a video game controller.

My ruger lcr in .327 federal mag finally came in yesterday, woo!  Now i'll have a pistol in ma pocket for pizza delivery.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: lavod]
    #23837867 - 11/16/16 07:10 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Have you been robbed before while delivering or are you just taking precautions?

To OP: I don't think it's an issue as long as parents are watching them like a hawk and standing right behind them and physically guiding them while they practice. It's not the same as a car, there are more variables in driving that can make things go south, kids should just be in a very controlled environment if they're learning to shoot. Obviously I think there's a limit to how young they could be to be able to understand the dangers though, but I would say 8 years old is a fine place to start.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Eminence]
    #23837892 - 11/16/16 07:21 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Some interesting responses.

But accidents can happen even under the watchful eyes of a trained and skilled marksman.

What is everybody's opinion of the 9 year old girl who accidentally killed her instructor with an Uzi?

What do you guys think? Is an Uzi too much for a kid?

I find it amazing how people think nothing bad will happen putting an uzi into the hands of a little kid. :lol: Like what did you think was going to happen...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2014/09/02/girl-who-accidentally-shot-her-instructor-with-an-uzi-said-the-gun-was-too-much-for-her/?utm_term=.50d7b7ba8e85



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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23837934 - 11/16/16 07:35 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Apparently fully automatic Uzi's can be too much for 9 year old girls.

The instructor was awfully close to the front of the gun.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23837964 - 11/16/16 07:49 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

That instructor is a moron, so is the kid's dad. Yeah an Uzi is probably too much lol..nothing automatic period for children I would say.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23837981 - 11/16/16 07:56 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

When I was little, and I'm not sure how old I was but it was before I was in school like 6 or 7 my dad let me shoot an automatic M1911 to teach me to respect firearms.

I was a little guy and when I shot it I was sitting on the tailgate of a pickup truck and it threw me all the way back against the cab.
From that second forward I was very interested in gun safety.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G] * 4
    #23837990 - 11/16/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Some gun advocates say that children should be taught this responsibility early on, even as toddlers, so they know how to handle them.

I think that's crazy. I wouldn't trust a little kid to drive a car. Why on earth would I trust them with a gun?





my kids can drive and my kids can shoot, dont you think it's irresponsible of
parents to not teach kids about gun safety as opposed to 'you never touch a gun
ever'. without instruction in how to safely handle a firearm a kid that does end
up in a situation where a gun is found is more likely to handle that weapon
because that curiosity is there and there's a greater chance that that weapon
could be discharged due to him or her handling it without instruction

my kids were taught to treat every firearm they encounter as if it is real and
loaded, that it should never be pointed at anything they do not intend to kill,
they learn to understand bullet trajectories and energy so that they know where
the bullet will end up which translates in english to 'know what is behind your
target and they are taught to keep their booger hook off the bang switch until
they are ready to fire that weapon. I also teach them to load and unload that
weapon so that in the off chance they discover one at a friend's house, they know
how to make that gun safe

no why would I teach my kids to shoot and drive? because shit happens, I work
dangerous jobs, not like cops claim their shit is dangerous but legitimately
dangerous jobs where machinery can drag a person in and turn them into goo and we
also go on our leisure time to go camping or caving where there is also a risk of
serious injury or death and there is frequently no cell phone service so it seems
that the smart thing to do is to teach them to get the injured party off the
mountain to a location where they can meet an ambulance or to get them to a
hospital. it's also beneficial for them to know how to hunt for food in case
there's a situation where they will need to or even should they nee to defend
themselves in our home

now how do I know that what I teach my kids about guns is effective, because I
leave a rifle in plain view, it's loaded and they're both still alive, my daughter
unloaded it and brought it to me once because she wasnt aware that it was left for
specifically that purpose and based on the fact that it's collected dust having
sat there the last 3 years, it's been untouched since then which shows that what
they've learned is a good foundation. they dont feel the need to pretend to shoot
things with real or fake weapons, they dont have the curiosity to pick the rifle
up and play with it or pull the trigger to see if it's loaded


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even when the gun is a fully automatic weapon like an AK47. What do you guys think?




thanks for showing your ignorance, AK47s are not fully automatic in this country,
well, maybe a very small number, a few thousand at most, the vast majority of them
are semi auto, 1 trigger pull equals 1 bullet exiting the muzzle. you ignorance of
is more dangerous that a child having knowledge of a firearm


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Eminence]
    #23837992 - 11/16/16 08:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Have you been robbed before while delivering or are you just taking precautions?





Never robbed yet, but it has happened in the area.  It's safer since i'm an indy driver as opposed to PIG3, but it's a very dangerous job regardless.  It's great that i'm allowed to carry.  PIG3 drivers are'nt and if they do and end up shooting an attacker out ov self defense they get fired.  They also encourage their drivers to get robbed by making them use car toppers(rob-me signs).  PIG3(Pizza Industrial Giant- PH, DP, PJ) do everything in their ability to make sure that their drivers operate in an unsafe manner and make as little money as possible.  I fully encourage the support ov local indy establishments, especially ones with courteous(except to stiffs) and ultra fast drivers like myself.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Crystal G]
    #23838012 - 11/16/16 08:07 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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What is everybody's opinion of the 9 year old girl who accidentally killed her instructor with an Uzi?

What do you guys think? Is an Uzi too much for a kid?

I find it amazing how people think nothing bad will happen putting an uzi into the hands of a little kid. :lol: Like what did you think was going to happen...





was he really an instructor or was he someone that taught a kid to point and pull
the trigger, an instructor would have known not to put a weapon in a child's hand
that they would have difficulty controlling, adding a stock to that weapon would
have made it much safer and easier to control. even adults have difficulty the
first few times. an instructor also woldnt have placed himself in the direction of
the muzzle climb which is always the same direction on every automatic firearm


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Eminence]
    #23838014 - 11/16/16 08:08 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I think early education in firearms saftey is extremely important when you have guns in the home. You think most of those kids who find their parents firearm and accidentally shoot themselves or someone else really understand that it's not a toy??

I was about 7 or 8 when my dad took me and my younger brother (who was probably about 4) to the firing range with his .22 and a friends shotgun. He let me fire them with him holding it and he let my little brother touch to feel the recoil, but as far as I remember didn't let him shoot. He told us how to handle it, how to make sure, always make sure, it wasn't loaded, taught us about ricochet and misfiring and how if we touched a firearm without daddy helping us we could kill ourselves. Before the day was done we understand very well that if we ever played with a real gun our hide would be stripped from the neck down. More importantly we understood why and how justified a punishment would be.
Edit: my parents also taught us to NEVER point a firearm, not even a toy gun, at someone else unless they knew we were playing with them. It was one of the wisest things they taught us.

I will always favor education over avoidance.
People, kids especially, will find their way into things you want them to avoid. It's better to make them understand as much as possible why they should avoid some things.


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Re: Would you trust guns in the hands of children? (Under 6 to 8 years old) [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #23838021 - 11/16/16 08:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Quote:

Crystal G said:
What is everybody's opinion of the 9 year old girl who accidentally killed her instructor with an Uzi?

What do you guys think? Is an Uzi too much for a kid?

I find it amazing how people think nothing bad will happen putting an uzi into the hands of a little kid. :lol: Like what did you think was going to happen...





was he really an instructor or was he someone that taught a kid to point and pull
the trigger, an instructor would have known not to put a weapon in a child's hand
that they would have difficulty controlling, adding a stock to that weapon would
have made it much safer and easier to control. even adults have difficulty the
first few times. an instructor also woldnt have placed himself in the direction of
the muzzle climb which is always the same direction on every automatic firearm




A well trained and conscientious instruction wouldn't... There are idiots in every walk of life. And unfortunately they tend to make everyone look bad.


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