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Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not?
    #23836691 - 11/15/16 07:47 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Just wondering  if you smoke dmt and go "blind" and only see geometric patterns in your vision if that is considered a breakthrough?


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Jenjens]
    #23836707 - 11/15/16 07:51 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If you have to ask, its not. Breakthrough = Ego Death, Complete loss of ones self and a sense of wholeness with the universe...and aliens/machine elves.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Jenjens]
    #23836725 - 11/15/16 07:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

hi,

I'm no expert when it comes to dmt and have been wondering the same thing myself.

I'm actually too scared to breakthrough, even though 2 of my 4 experiences with smoked dmt were quite profound. I think I was on the verge of breakthrough but couldn't get myself to take a final inhalation and let go of everything. Maybe next time it will happen. I just don't know when to go back to dmt. I hope I know when it is time, because I feel the experience calling me.

take care and good luck on your journey


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: mantis83]
    #23836737 - 11/15/16 08:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You will know don't over think it.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: pineninja]
    #23836752 - 11/15/16 08:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Well, when it is your first time even after tons of research, I disagree....I have no clue if I did, however, I did get "woken" up in the middle of it, which ruined the whole experience.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Jenjens]
    #23836782 - 11/15/16 08:16 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I wasn't replying to you above.

If you feel like your chasing an experience that somebody else has had you are setting yourself up for failure imo.
Go at your own pace accept the outcomes and in time with experience you will be able to expand your outcomes whatever they may be.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: pineninja]
    #23836793 - 11/15/16 08:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not really imo, those are just closed eye visuals. A breakthrough is actually "breaking through" towards the other side. Exploring the impossible, meeting entities and the such.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Xero1]
    #23836813 - 11/15/16 08:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If you have to ask, its not. Breakthrough = Ego Death, Complete loss of ones self and a sense of wholeness with the universe...and aliens/machine elves.




Hmm, this is interesting. Especially because you speak of ego-death and yet, there are still beings present that you are conscious of (aliens, elves, etc.). My first and only true ego-death came from smoking salvia divinorum leaves, and when "I" ceased to exist, so did EVERYthing in relation to "I". No higher dimensions, no entities/aliens, no spiritual guides, no bright light, no god or gods, nothing; just absolute , infinite nothingness.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: mantis83]
    #23836914 - 11/15/16 08:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

For me there are two breakthroughs higher and lower. One -the lower- is a breakthrough into the realm of spirits and entities and the other -the higher- is a breakthrough into the realm of alien machines.

The higher realm is hyperspace and pretty much in psychedelic -or indeed any- terms the most intense experience you can possibly have. It goes beyond mere entity contact and into the realm of our alien overlords or the matrix!

When I say breakthrough myself though I just mean into the lower realms and contact with entities(with Anahuasca or Aya) or spirits though I certainly wouldn't mistake this for being a light or easy experience.

You can breakthrough on mushrooms into the lower realm and I am pretty well certain because of this, that if you took enough shrooms you would also break into the higher realm too. After a point they are pretty much the same experience though I honestly believe that shrooms like LSD are much more psychotic and dangerous in higher doses than DMT is.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Kinshino]
    #23836953 - 11/15/16 09:17 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I got a few grams of white crystalline DMT xtals a few years ago in a trade, traded some shrooms for some xtals.

Anyway, I never broke through, and probably smoked 10 bowls worth over the course of a month, each bowl was about 2-3 large hits each if memory serves me correct.

Upon that second or third hit the visuals were getting intense, but I never broke through, and think this was due to being a noob to DMT, and being to scared because I was trying to blast off at home by myself, I always felt better when taking such substances when my ex was home with me, but she wasn't huge into DMT so never really gave it a go.

But I would get crazy geometric shapes overlain on everything which would be morphing much faster than LSD/shroom visuals, which for myself LSD/shrooms visuals tend to be slower, and more mellow, except on high doses of LSD they can get very fast too, this is just my experience though.

I don't consider those times to be a breakthrough.



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Not really imo, those are just closed eye visuals. A breakthrough is actually "breaking through" towards the other side.




I agree Kinshino, that is what I have read about on another site, and also when reading the spirit molecule, that is what I want to experience sometime later in life, I am in position now to partake of such substances though.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Jenjens]
    #23836969 - 11/15/16 09:24 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jenjens said:
Just wondering  if you smoke dmt and go "blind" and only see geometric patterns in your vision if that is considered a breakthrough?





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Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Jenjens]
    #23837470 - 11/16/16 12:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just wondering  if you smoke dmt and go "blind" and only see geometric patterns in your vision if that is considered a breakthrough?




Nope. I think a lot of people who have smoked dmt haven't broken through.
I went through about half a gram before I did.
I have full blown out of body experiences as "awareness" with no idea of the fact I was just a human living on earth 30 seconds ago.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Eggtimer] * 1
    #23837783 - 11/16/16 06:05 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jenjens said:
Just wondering  if you smoke dmt and go "blind" and only see geometric patterns in your vision if that is considered a breakthrough?




Nope. I think a lot of people who have smoked dmt haven't broken through.
I went through about half a gram before I did.
I have full blown out of body experiences as "awareness" with no idea of the fact I was just a human living on earth 30 seconds ago.





I agree. I believe a lot of people who believe they have broken through really have not. Im not calling them liars its just hard to know whata true breakthrough is unless you havent had one. When you break through you literally feel like you have torn a membrane or something in your head when you come down. Its a very distinct and clear feeling


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Eggtimer]
    #23837912 - 11/16/16 07:26 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Jenjens said:
Just wondering  if you smoke dmt and go "blind" and only see geometric patterns in your vision if that is considered a breakthrough?




Nope. I think a lot of people who have smoked dmt haven't broken through.
I went through about half a gram before I did.
I have full blown out of body experiences as "awareness" with no idea of the fact I was just a human living on earth 30 seconds ago.




That sounds more like a personal definition of the meaning of breakthrough and to be honest I havent come across too many people or places that define it in such narrow terms.

Certainly thats pretty much as far as one can travel with DMT, but I dont believe breakthrough is measured purely in terms of how far and fast one gets to hyperspace nor needs to mean a loss of understanding of where, or what, or when you are.

There is a metaphysical reality one can experience through things like DMT and mushrooms that is inhabited by the world of spirits and entities (and aliens and machines) that even heavy LSD users will probably never have experienced because LSD apparently doesn't contain the 'spirit molecule'.

When people go in search of the fabled break-though it was my understanding that it was this legend and this hidden spirit world -what Amazonian Shamans call the land of the dead- that they were attempting to find.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: wolf8312]
    #23838131 - 11/16/16 08:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've seen this same world on LSD, mushrooms, and the other day even mdma to my surprise. For that matter I've seen it while meditating plenty, but I'm still surprised to have experienced it on mdma. Either way i's not something unique to DMT imo, the right breakfast can probably take you there.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23838158 - 11/16/16 09:11 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not sure the place I breakthrough into on DMT is not the same place you do after breakfast or MDMA but who knows! If you mean by meditation then maybe I have never really had much experience. Recently bought an audiobook to help me!

Very diffucult to know if we are talking about the same thing. For example (taken from a trip in hyperspace) were you a baby alien being bathed in a birthing pool where all around for as far as the eyes could see alien machines were knitting together the very fabric of existence? Only using this as an example but could you ever get that far out in a similar way with MDMA or meditation?

Or are you refering only to what I described in another post as the lower realms?
Even if so would still be skeptical to be honest.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23838376 - 11/16/16 10:39 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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I've seen this same world on LSD, mushrooms, and the other day even mdma to my surprise. For that matter I've seen it while meditating plenty, but I'm still surprised to have experienced it on mdma. Either way i's not something unique to DMT imo, the right breakfast can probably take you there.




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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Icon]
    #23838392 - 11/16/16 10:44 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I will update when I get off of work with a description of my recent mdma experience.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23840213 - 11/16/16 10:04 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nirvana is a state of mind. You can reach it through shortcuts but the lessons learned along the journey would be lost.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Xero1]
    #23841803 - 11/17/16 01:39 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Alright, so a little late, but for those that were interested in how I felt my mdma experience was like dmt:

My gf and I took some molly, a friend had said it was 'trippy' so it may have had some mda or something in there, I'm not sure, it was definitely in the same family though, it felt just like it from my experiences before.

Anyway we were just about down, ~6 hours into the experience, when I start noticing some wavy fluorescent lights coming off of the wall, the lights were every color of the rainbow and then some. I kind of already know what it is so I just ignore it and try to focus on the TV, although it's really not that interesting. These lights on the other hand are, but it's getting late and I don't really want to go there. Some very intricate geometric shapes start to unfold out of these waves and it begins to feel very... I don't know, deep, encompassing, I can't quite put it into words. It's as though I'm in the beginning of time and the end, I don't know. I feel a presence from within these shapes looking through the other side, not unlike how I am, and when I realize this I am filled with fear. My mind immediately labelled that as god, which as far as I'm concerned it was, it's the same god I've always experienced before, but w/e, I don't think gods anything special, but it's always a big moment when you realize where you are. It was like we caught eyes and kind of scared one another. I later told my gf I felt as though I had to keep an eye on the portal to make sure no one else came through, to protect our side, and the entity was doing the same.

About this time my gf said she is just about down and getting tired. I look over at her, quite humbled at this point, unable to really find the words/hesitant to talk about it and say, 'uh.. I feel like I just smoked some dmt.' I'll now skip ahead because I could spend forever explaining all of this.

So fast forward to us in bed an hour or so later, she's asleep. Her cat is laying down between us and I still see the waves of light from this other dimension pouring in around us, though it has decreased a bit. I look over at her asleep and see her face warping all around. The most striking thing was her eyes, they were closed and she was in REM sleep, yet I could still see her eyes dancing all over the place. It was kind of demonic, though I did not interpret it as bad. The most logical thought to explain it was that I saw her doing literally everything but what she was, as though she literally was doing all of these things and they kind of coalesced to cancel each other out resulting in what she was actually doing in reality. I also saw her eyes turn into mouths, her mouth turn into eyes, her two mouths kind of merge to form one and simultaneously my brain/consciousness kind of inverted and flipped upside down/turned in on itself to correct things. It's hard to explain, it doesn't make sense in 3d space.

I look back at the cat/up at the ceiling and notice the ceiling is kind of half gone, as though it is ethereal. I can see tons of stars, I see particle of light shooting through the room, cosmic rays shining down on us, bathing the walls in color and energy, etc. It was quite beautiful. The whole experience despite sounding amazing, and it was amazing, was not as deep or profound as if I were experiencing the same thing on mushrooms or dmt, but maybe it's just down to the dosage as well.

Oh, another thing, perhaps the most amazing to me. One point I look at my gf when she's sleeping and I realize she was the person I saw through that portal earlier, not just her, but it was THIS experience I was having right then on the couch. I was looking through the portal, which was in retrospect simply my eyes/frame of reference, and seeing her laying there sleeping. Anyway, w/e, take from that what you will, but to me it was near the exact same experience as on DMT, mushrooms, or any other psychedelic. The car might have a different paint job, it might travel at a different speed, but the path it takes and the direction it goes are one in the same. Prior to this experience I never really thought much of mdma, and I still don't for that matter, but I do give it more credit than I did before.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23841878 - 11/17/16 02:02 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You will know when you break through. I smoked it probably 10 times thinking i was breaking through until it actually happened. When it happens you'll know. It's not like anything you have ever experienced. I really can't explain it. It's much more than visuals. You wouldn't even know what visuals are until you start coming out of it. Shit is absolutely crazy.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: toader123]
    #23842800 - 11/17/16 05:49 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Nope. I would consider closed eye visuals just the beginning. I've had OOB experiences which would blow anyone away. Wait until you actually feel like you have lost control of everything in this world and actually "break" into a new one. For me its always very aztec/egyptian.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: krypto2000]
    #23843321 - 11/17/16 08:15 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sounds cool but still more like an MDMA experience than a DMT breakthrough. I think you must only have experienced sub-breakthrough DMT doses if you think rainbow glares and illusions are comparable. MDMA can definitely be trippy; as trippy as shrooms, sure. But vaped DMT breakthroughs are on a completely different level of trippy.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Icon]
    #23844176 - 11/18/16 05:31 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

A true breakthrough will have you feeling like you ripped part of a membrane or something in your brain as you come down from the DMT.


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Existing before Heaven and Earth,
Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging,
All-pervading, unfailing,
I do not know its name; I call it tao.
If forced to give it a name, I call it
Great (ta). Being great, it flows out;
Flowing out means far-reaching;
Being far-reaching, it is said to return.


It's just a shot away..


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23855277 - 11/21/16 06:57 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You are all saying closed eye visuals, but I was told my eyes were wide open the whole time and I had no clue where I was. The whole room was just patterns


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Jenjens]
    #23855316 - 11/21/16 07:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I don't know if you brokethrough or not, I don't know if I have either. On my highest dose I saw geometric patterns everywhere, some wierd unfolding triagnular shapes constructing the world around me and some dancing and snickering black shadows, but I could still see the normal reality and communicate with my gf who was sitting nearby. To me asking if you broke through is like asking you you had an ego death experience, it's very subjective and doesn't really matter.


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Re: Are geometric visuals a breakthrouh, or not? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #23855319 - 11/21/16 07:11 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Just wondering  if you smoke dmt and go "blind" and only see geometric patterns in your vision if that is considered a breakthrough?





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