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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: Crazy_Horse]
    #23863976 - 11/24/16 03:56 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Yeah.

I think humans can train some animals to develop internal perceptions which classify them as sentient.

Service animals may have a more developed sentience than the average dog but with some training they certainly can become intelligent companions.


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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: sudly]
    #23863992 - 11/24/16 04:01 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I want a helper monkey.


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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: sudly]
    #23864143 - 11/24/16 05:18 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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sudly said:
Yeah.

I think humans can train some animals to develop internal perceptions which classify them as sentient.

Service animals may have a more developed sentience than the average dog but with some training they certainly can become intelligent companions.



dogs already are intelligent companions
I think English is not your mother tongue, sentient, sapient,  and sensitivity are different issues.
any creature subject to experiences is sentient (for me that includes all vertebrates and arthropods at least)
service animals are trained to be attentive and obedient for specific purposes, but this does not make them more sentient, while it does make them more sapient, and disciplined in the particular scope for which they were trained.


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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: redgreenvines]
    #23864164 - 11/24/16 05:30 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Not all dogs.

I'm talking about sentience, morality and conscience.

I haven't mentioned sensitivity and I believe non sapient organisms have the capability to develop a sense of morality and a conscience too.

You're not accounting for the differentiation between awareness of external objects and awareness of internal perceptions.

What makes a service animal more sentient than others is the practice of intelligent disobedience which uses training techniques such as model/rival techniques that are designed to teach an animal to make the 'good' decision in any given situation on their own. 

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Guide dogs are taught intelligent disobedience in a variety of ways. The most common is to use some level of aversive training methods. For teaching intelligent disobedience in a traffic situation, first the dog is taught how to safely cross a road with their trainer. This is done by stopping at the down curb, waiting for a “Forward” command to go forward then walking straight and directly across the road at a good pace to the opposite up curb. Most schools teach their guide dogs to stop at the up curb, indicating to their handler that they have reached the opposite side of the road successfully.

Once a dog can do this and shows no fear of the traffic, the intelligent disobedience portion is trained.




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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: sudly]
    #23864228 - 11/24/16 06:06 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

What you write is so confusing it's like anti-science.


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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: viktor]
    #23864282 - 11/24/16 06:25 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

You could say the same thing about quantum physics, cosmology or cellular biology. :shrug:


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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: sudly]
    #23865677 - 11/25/16 10:37 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Without a fundamental uniting primate call of unity divisive distinctions I'll prevail.

The problem is with over qualified turd specialists without consequence.

The shprt set route unite with force

And hence paranoid govts




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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: sudly]
    #23871324 - 11/27/16 08:28 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Sudly please define sentience.


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Re: I believe sentience evolved. [Re: secondorder]
    #23871866 - 11/27/16 12:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Sentience is the capacity to feel, perceive, or experience subjectively. Eighteenth-century philosophers used the concept to distinguish the ability to think (reason) from the ability to feel (sentience).




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