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OfflineKenetic
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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: blackout]
    #23836302 - 11/15/16 05:28 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Hey blackout,

I've seen some of your experiments and you have my support.  The main difference to me, in this thread and your experiments is that you have proven that you are worth listening to, and the op has not.


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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: blackout]
    #23836341 - 11/15/16 05:41 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I'm not against a well run and controlled experiment. But most people don't bother with things like controls. Hell they don't even try to limit the variables at all.

But that's not what happened here. We have an OP who posted a method with no results and then got butthurt when people questioned his lack of results.

I was a bit tough on him but I had my reasons.

I agree an experiment forum might be a good idea though i suspect it will end up littered with experiments consisting of trich ridden substrates left to green up.

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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23836370 - 11/15/16 05:53 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

An experiment forum would be pretty cool. At least make for good reading if the right rules are setup.

Brainstorming :bong:

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Lab Report Template

Title: * a brief, concise, yet descriptive title

Statement of the Problem:

    * What question(s) are you trying to answer?
    * Include any preliminary observations or background information about the subject

Hypothesis:

    * Write a possible solution for the problem.
    * Make sure this possible solution is a complete sentence.
    * Make sure the statement is testable, an if-then statement is recommended to illustrate what criteria will support your hypothesis (and what data would no support the hypothesis).

Materials:

    * Make a list of ALL items used in the lab. Alternatively, materials can be included as part of the procedure.

Procedure:

    * Write a paragraph (complete sentences) which explains what you did in the lab as a short summary.
    * Add details (step-by-step) of your procedure in such a way that anyone else could repeat the experiment.

Results (Data):

    * This section should include any data tables, observations, or additional notes you make during the lab.
    * You may attach a separate sheet(s) if necessary.
    * All tables, graphs and charts should be labeled appropriately.

Conclusions:

    * Accept or reject your hypothesis.
    * EXPLAIN why you accepted or rejected your hypothesis using data from the lab.
    * Include a summary of the data - averages, highest, lowest..etc to help the reader understand your results. Try not to copy your data here, you should summarize and reference KEY information.
    * List one thing you learned and describe how it applies to a real-life situation.
    *Discuss possible errors that could have occurred in the collection of the data (experimental errors)





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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #23836385 - 11/15/16 06:01 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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Pastywhyte said:I agree an experiment forum might be a good idea though i suspect it will end up littered with experiments consisting of trich ridden substrates left to green up.



yeah, I suppose I am thinking more of experimental theory, or at least throwing out random ideas, no matter how crazy they sound, others can pick out bits that might work -most might not even result in attempted grows. It should be thoroughly critiqued before anybody attempts to grow, rip apart the idea before it happens, hindsight is crap, people should have foresight. If it does end up trich ridden there should be no reason for laughing or mocking going on, it should be people saying "well we all discussed the theory, and thought this was definitely worth trying, we made every effort to hone the idea and add extra steps but it still did not work, even though most though there was a reasonable chance it would". If it's ripped apart as utter nonsense then nobody should bother trying the grow, if they do and fail as expected they can expect a few laughs.

We do this in my job, a sentence might start with "now this sounds fucking mental, and I know it won't work, but I am throwing the idea out there as food for thought", people might burst out laughing at first but often someone will come up with an idea from it.

Many here might be doing experiments in secret, and if it fails they say nothing, they figure it is a stupid idea when a simple tweak could have fixed it. People might prefer to work on their own so they can claim the entire method as their own.

Many experiment and fail, if they had listed what they were planning to do first they could have gotten advice. e.g. I have challenged people to show me any failed fractional sterilization attempt where I could not at least point out an obvious flaw, as I have never seen one done in a reasonable manner which the original developer intended it to be done.

EDIT, only see the post above now, which is pretty much what I am talking about.

Edited by blackout (11/15/16 06:04 PM)

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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: blackout]
    #23836406 - 11/15/16 06:10 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I get what you are saying. Even failed experiments are very valuable, even if only to use as very strong evidence why certain ideas don't have a high chance of success.

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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: X2QE]
    #23836443 - 11/15/16 06:21 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

You could also have a public vote in the thread, rating 1-5 how likely you think it is to fail or succeed. Not this it NOT a vote on how good or worthwhile you think the idea is, there could be a poll for that too if you wanted.

Many ideas are dismissed as being impractical, the old "just get a fucking PC", "just make a SAB" line thrown out. What suits one person might be utterly impractical for another. Like how many think steaming jars for 8 hours is impractical, while it suits me very well to hold jars at 97C for several days, which I realise is not practical for most. So someone might come along and say my idea is ridiculous and stupid, but still publicly rate it as "5- highly likely to succeed" but in another poll they could vote "1 -useless idea for most people"

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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: blackout]
    #23836503 - 11/15/16 06:44 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I thought experimental techniques would be considered Advanced Mycology? I dunno. Maybe I'm just being dumb. There is an experimental techniques page on the main page.
https://www.shroomery.org/11394/Experimental-Techniques

But no one without access can add to it, I guess.

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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: dankington] * 2
    #23836518 - 11/15/16 06:47 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

Wow... this thread turned into productive talk?  I guess miracles are possible.


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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: Inocuole]
    #23836521 - 11/15/16 06:49 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

I knew you were out there somewhere....


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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: blackout] * 1
    #23836527 - 11/15/16 06:51 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

How is this not closed yet? Just because something worked once doesn't mean it will continue to work. Take the advice given and move on. We all know we can get lucky and grow some sad shrooms like I've done. Some of these people here are really serious about the science and have spent years on top of years making this site what it is.  Its kind of a slap in the face when you say dirty is fine. Take the advice. So is my rambling but take the advice sit back and watch and eventually you will probably be accepted.
But remember some of these people that I haven't had the pleasure of commenting on one of my posts may have spent every free min out of work to make this easy for you.

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Re: No PC? No worries! "Lazy tek" [Re: Kenetic] * 1
    #23836610 - 11/15/16 07:19 PM (7 years, 3 months ago)

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