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Hero Dose of Mescaline
    #23836012 - 11/15/16 04:10 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I've heard over and over that mescaline is one of, if not the easiest psychedelics to handle on the mind. 

So how many of you have taken a monster/hero dose and what was the outcome?  Any horror stories out there? 

Here's why I ask...
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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23836049 - 11/15/16 04:19 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

If what Terence Mckenna says about mescaline is truth, it would be suicidal to do heroic doses of mescaline. He talked about the ld50 for mescaline being not very much more than the effective dosage. I guess there are some nutters out there who would take heroic doses of it anyway, same as people overdose on heroin and opiates.


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: wicca mixer]
    #23836208 - 11/15/16 04:53 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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If what Terence Mckenna says about mescaline is truth, it would be suicidal to do heroic doses of mescaline. He talked about the ld50 for mescaline being not very much more than the effective dosage. I guess there are some nutters out there who would take heroic doses of it anyway, same as people overdose on heroin and opiates.





If true that's a little scary

Did you read my other thread by chance from the link above...that problem is making me a little nervous given the OD possibiliity

I think for my trip in 10 days, I will likely just take 1/2 of the tar that is produced and not focus so much on the amount of dried weight I ended up with...not trying to kill myself.

Next time though I'm for sure going walter white style and try extracting this shit using a little bit of chemistry


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23836296 - 11/15/16 05:27 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Check out this table, x axis describes the relation between effective and lethal dose. 

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/af/Drug_danger_and_dependence-de.svg

This is no dosage advice but should help you to estimate the potential danger of overdosing. I would not recommend taking a hero dose of any phenylethylamin. Unfortunately I couldn“t find any LD50 for humans.


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: DerPda]
    #23836765 - 11/15/16 08:09 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I live in an urban setting with native sanpedro and have experimented extensively
Ocasionally one encounters  a cactus that is 2 or 4 times more potent than one was expecting, like say you thought it was aprox 200-400 mg but the trip unfolds as if it were in the 600-800 range or more , who knows
and those are the trips that remind you of how respectful one must be because you silly human dont know what you are dealing with. A trip  so strong that 7 hours into it you are still coming up to the peak,  visions flowering before your waking eyes every second, multi sensorial journeys eyes closed to shaminic  spirit lands.  And if you begin to have supersticious thoughts it can be a bit scary.

Ocasionally there is accelerated heart rate that has frightened me a bit.  Heroic pedro requires faith. I doubt its actually lifethreatening unless you are mixing medications or have a heart condition, but under the influence one truly humbles themselves  in front of something that is much bigger and very powerful

The ancient sacredness of this plant leads me to believe that it has never actually physically killed anyone , but after  one or two of those herioc Pedro I dont feel i  want to test its limits unless i had a totally legitimate reason for doing so.


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: Kagrenac]
    #23836992 - 11/15/16 09:33 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: Grey Fox]
    #23837238 - 11/15/16 10:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

I vote we stop calling unnecessarily large doses of anything "heroic", like it's some type of awesome thing to over do it haha

But yeah, I really don't think an extremely large dose of mescaline will be any better at all than a normal kind of dose. If anything I think it would be worse


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: Bardy]
    #23837256 - 11/15/16 10:58 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Requires faith? Doubt it is life threatening? Mate you're definitely heading for an overdose if you think like that haha

Mescaline is substantially more toxic than other classic psyches like LSD and shrooms, as others have pointed out.


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: Bardy]
    #23837385 - 11/15/16 11:52 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Whay are you going to do DustyBottoms?


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: Bardy]
    #23837411 - 11/16/16 12:06 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Mescaline is more dangerous than most other classic psychedelics this much is true. Regarding what McKenna said, he stated that the LD50 wasn't that great when compared to percentage of the effective dose, also said that because of effective dose you would have to eat and absurd amount of pure mescaline to actually kill yourself. Just eat a foot or so of cactus, you'll be fine, it's not supposed to be like dmt. I have more fun on a half foot of good cactus then I do on 50mg dmt smoked. YMMV


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: starfirexlove]
    #23837495 - 11/16/16 01:00 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

The LD50 for mescaline is between 800mg/kg and 1200mg/kg. So if you weighed 100 pounds, you would have to eat about 36g of mescaline to reach the LD50.
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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: healing]
    #23837577 - 11/16/16 02:23 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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Requires faith? Doubt it is life threatening? Mate you're definitely heading for an overdose if you think like that haha

Mescaline is substantially more toxic than other classic psyches like LSD and shrooms, as others have pointed out.




It's actually not that dangerous. Yes it is more toxic than LSD and mushrooms, but those are both ridiculously non toxic substances. The fact that something is  more toxic (even substantially more toxic) than LSD, does not in itself mean that it is a particularly dangerous substance.

I have taken "heroic" dosages of San Pedro and my understanding is that I was still well under what would have been a lethal dose.

The outcome of my heroic doses was an extremely powerful trip. They were cosmic experiences. I remember on one trip, the peak lasted 8 hrs. There was literally no let up in intensity for 8 straight hours. It is exhausting to trip that hard for as long as mescaline lasts but I imagine its not that much different from taking large doses of LSD in terms of intensity and duration.


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: DustyBottoms]
    #23837991 - 11/16/16 07:59 AM (7 years, 2 months ago)

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wicca mixer said:
If what Terence Mckenna says about mescaline is truth, it would be suicidal to do heroic doses of mescaline. He talked about the ld50 for mescaline being not very much more than the effective dosage. I guess there are some nutters out there who would take heroic doses of it anyway, same as people overdose on heroin and opiates.





If true that's a little scary

Did you read my other thread by chance from the link above...that problem is making me a little nervous given the OD possibiliity

I think for my trip in 10 days, I will likely just take 1/2 of the tar that is produced and not focus so much on the amount of dried weight I ended up with...not trying to kill myself.

Next time though I'm for sure going walter white style and try extracting this shit using a little bit of chemistry




Dont bother doing anything but water extraction. Even an alcohol extraction eliminates a sizable amount of the magic.


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: wolf8312]
    #23838883 - 11/16/16 01:50 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

Can mescaline really be considered 'more toxic' than other psychs? I mean it's all gotta be down to the dose, right? If you took a gram of mescaline you'd be fine, a gram of synthetic psilocin? LSD?

I've taken mescaline HCl up to the ~1.2g range, the nausea and body load are fairly heavy but I never felt like it was dangerous in any way. Of course even small amounts of cactus sludge make me feel poisoned but that's nothing to do with mescaline itself.

I have never heard of a mescaline overdose (in a 'life threatening' context). Are there any reports?


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Re: Hero Dose of Mescaline [Re: nowhere]
    #23839182 - 11/16/16 03:29 PM (7 years, 2 months ago)

what i plan to do someday is:

cut 2 feet up and put the pieces in a dehydrator and dry them to a crisp. Blend it to powder.

put the powder in a coffee machine and brew it like coffee...once or twice

put the end brew in a pot on the stove and simmer it down to a shot glass worth...mix it with honey and sugar and down it


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